ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Based Mark Cerny 8GB GDDR5 and the power of the cloud, no doubt.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Batman AK PC Perf Thread of DARKNESS, NO SETTINGS [30fps cap / intro removal in OP]
- Thread starter Peterthumpa
- Start date
Based Mark Cerny 8GB GDDR5 and the power of the cloud, no doubt.
No way you have perfect 60 fps in Arkham City while flying across the city in DX11. Sorry, I can't believe you.
Dedicating a fixed time into the frametime for streaming.
I agree PC will look the best of course, im just expressing my disappointment for the game delivered at launch on PC. we all expect more over the consoles
I'm running a 970 gtx, everything maxed. Video's of PS4 on gamersyde look like they have higher resolution of texture to me. I really need to know defintively. We might be just assuming that its better just because its PC, but I think there is something strange going on here... I want some side by side proof. I'm really not happy with the texture quality on the PC as of now.
I wish people would stop repeating this. They have 5GB available, for everything.
Oh it's one of those magical framelocks that increases your dips as well? So without lock it stays above 30 at all times, but with lock it frequently dips?
I not 100% sure but by the looks of it the PC version has a lot less aggressive LOD
captainnapalm
Member
This isn't going to be an issue for most people, but the retail version of the game comes with 5 dvds, which together only installs 7.7gb of the game on your hard drive. You still have to download the rest. What the hell. Five dvds for 7.7gb? What is going on in that organisation?
So get ready to weep, anyone with a slow internet connection.
So get ready to weep, anyone with a slow internet connection.
d00d3n
Member
Sorry to hear that. You should have used DX9 with a healthy dose of SGSSAA to get the best experience, while achieving the unflinching true 60fps!
daninthemix
Member
Unified memory, presumably.
That'd be hilarious.
Much better hardware, can't run worse texture as smoothly.
I'd like to say i'm past surprise, but i'm not, so surprise me WB!
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
Well I did :/. i7-2600K 8GB RAM and a Geforce Titan. Was great.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yeah, I never managed to get past the stuttering on DX11 City but I thought it was just my card. Guess not
KainXVIII
Member
Don't forger coding to the metal.
Citation needed
icecold1983
Member
same here. shadowplay fps works. now that i tried it with unlocked fps its clear just how awful this port is. gpu usage fluctuates from 50 to 85% just walking around as the framerate jumps all around between high 40s and low 80s at 1440p on an overclocked titan x. only way to get high gpu usage is to stare at the sky from a tall building. havent got the batmobile yet but im sure filling the screen with nv enhanced smoke or debris is the only other scenario gpu usage will be high.
Unknown Soldier
Member
They have 8 GB of RAM, of which right now up to 2.5 GB is reserved for the OS. That OS footprint may shrink in the future, as it did for the PS3 over the years. So my saying their total amount of memory is factually correct, since last I checked Windows and other apps on your PC also use up a portion of your PC's RAM but nobody talks about the "available" amount of memory on your PC.
Coding while listening to Burzum makes miracles.
Yeah.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
At least I'm not the only one getting lost in a flurry of blurriness.
It was brought up multiple times in the review topic. Iron Galaxy also worked on Arkham Origins which I imagine is why they got the job for Arkham Knight.
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
PC's have VRAM and DRAM...not a unified pool that a cpu and GPU need to share
while consoles don't have the dram to run the OS on it needs to bite into the Unified pool shrinking it's total allotment...do you even math?
do you even PC? you should know this simple stuff...
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
When Nvidia still puts out "mid-range" cards with 2GB of VRAM? Heh.
Playing this on an r9 290 oc with a 4690k at 4.4 and 16 gigs of ram and I'm getting a solid 60fps everywhere except the batmobile. Even then it only drops for a little bit, feel pretty lucky.
Vram is pretty high though, nearing 4 gigs but I haven't noticed any stuttering yet. Running the newest amd drivers.
Vram is pretty high though, nearing 4 gigs but I haven't noticed any stuttering yet. Running the newest amd drivers.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
The PS4 has 4.5GB available to developers with an additional 512 being "flexible". And again, this game is using more than 10GB in total memory and will use even more if it's available. What the PS4 and XBox One might have in total usable by developer RAM in the future is irrelevant.
Oh absolutely. But as of right now stating 8GB without qualification implies that games have access to the whole 8GB pool, which isn't the case and certainly cannot explain the high memory usage. Generally on PC people will have sufficient RAM (a lot of which can also be swapped out) and often RAM in excess, VRAM is another issue, however.
Therefore one should be looking at the game using 1GB for data and 4~4.5 GB for graphics on a PS4 (sort of basing this on Infamous and KZ documentation).
I don't think so. At this point google should be just as quick.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I math just fine, but what you're saying is completely irrelevant. Because PC system RAM and VRAM are not shared, memory management is actually more complicated on PC than on the PS4 and Bone. Why else would this game eat up 6 GB of my system RAM and all 6 GB of my 980 Ti's VRAM, I wonder how many assets are pointlessly being duplicated in both memory pools just to prevent swapping back and forth over the excruciatingly slow PCI-e bus. The consoles having a unified memory pool offers a lot of efficiencies over what the PC has to deal with having a split memory pool.
flipswitch
Member
This is a common problem with UE3 I believe, assets don't fully load sometimes.
matrix-cat
Member
Played about six hours so far, on a 670GTX/i5-3570k. I didn't mess with an .ini stuff because I was planning to lock it to 30 anyway, all I did was turn up all the regular graphical settings, leave the Gameworks stuff off, running it at 1080p. I feel I get a pretty rocksolid 30FPS between the stutters, but when it does stutter it stutters hard. It's not like a regular microstutter, it's full on freezing for three seconds at a time (often longer). Mostly happens out in the city, and especially in the Batmobile.
Hopefully we'll get a barrage of patches before long, but those can wait for second and third playthroughs because right now I need to be spending every waking hour playing this glorious (though technically broken) game.
Hopefully we'll get a barrage of patches before long, but those can wait for second and third playthroughs because right now I need to be spending every waking hour playing this glorious (though technically broken) game.
Yeah, but usually they came in eventually in a reasonable amount of time. I was sat there for quite some time and nothing changed.
Auto-Reply
Member
I actually believe you, but I think what they mean is an absolutely locked 60 fps, that was definitely not the case on my end. But there was also no stuttering all the time, it was mostly a smooth experience, it went noticably down when physx came into play and tessellation here and there.
All in all, I doubt that this dx11 problem of Arkham City is the exact same problem that is the topic of this thread with Arkham Knights, because if it is then I will have absolutely no problem with the game regarding that.
kenjigreat
Banned
It seems like every single Next-gen open world game has some sort of really bad LOD popins, Witcher 3 is no exception , part of the reason I haven't finished the game despite thinking its pretty good is the LOD.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Most games will allocate more memory than it strictly needs for cacheing. It's very complicated to work out how much VRAM a game really uses in most cases. 3-4GB has been enough to exceed PS4/XBO level textures in games lately. Shadow of Mordor ultra textures were ludicrously large for what they actually looked like, but they used ~4.8gb. And the setting below that that ran fine on a 3GB card looked as good / better than consoles anyway. Call of Duty Advance Warfare could use 5-6gb of Vram if your card had it, but ran fine on 2-3gb cards.
kenjigreat
Banned
Damn , you should have refunded the game while you had the chance.
The thing here is that isn't even popping in.
This is all slightly distressing. I played for about five minutes this morning having thought my computer could cope with things on normal at 1080p (i7-4770k, 8gb RAM, GTX 770 2GB) but it's very stop-start. If the camera's not moving then it seems to cope fine, but otherwise it's a bit of a jerky mess and will freeze up for what feels like no good reason. I'm not worried about 60fps, just a consistent 30fps will do me.
My quandary is that it seems like upgrading the graphics card is what I should do, but it's not much less expensive than buying a PS4 with the game. Anyone got any particular advice? It's early days yet and maybe there's some further optimisation that can be done, though.
I suppose it only cost me £30 from Amazon which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really want to turn the texture details down to "low" because I did that for the benchmark and the graphical downgrade made everything look worse than the other Batman games do on my 360! 720p might be a sensible compromise, I guess.
My quandary is that it seems like upgrading the graphics card is what I should do, but it's not much less expensive than buying a PS4 with the game. Anyone got any particular advice? It's early days yet and maybe there's some further optimisation that can be done, though.
I suppose it only cost me £30 from Amazon which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really want to turn the texture details down to "low" because I did that for the benchmark and the graphical downgrade made everything look worse than the other Batman games do on my 360! 720p might be a sensible compromise, I guess.
Windom Earle
Member
Ok, so the bottom line is that PS4 framerate is pretty much the best you will get and even that requires tweaking to make it smooth.
My guide for that:
- Turn off Gameworks stuff, it is broken and will drop your fps significantly, especially in Batmobile sections.
- Unlock the fps as described in the OP
- Force adaptive V-Sync and set pre-rendered frames to 1 in Nvidia control panel.
- Lock fps to 30 via MSI Afterburner. (The game locked to 31 by default for me which caused judder)
Granted, I am playing this on a TV with a controller. I also turned AA off as this is one of the few games that can do without. The blur was just too much. My VRAM usage was around 3,6 max.
GTX970 OC, 3770K, 16GB RAM.
Of course this will not fix the hilarious texture res problems.
My guide for that:
- Turn off Gameworks stuff, it is broken and will drop your fps significantly, especially in Batmobile sections.
- Unlock the fps as described in the OP
- Force adaptive V-Sync and set pre-rendered frames to 1 in Nvidia control panel.
- Lock fps to 30 via MSI Afterburner. (The game locked to 31 by default for me which caused judder)
Granted, I am playing this on a TV with a controller. I also turned AA off as this is one of the few games that can do without. The blur was just too much. My VRAM usage was around 3,6 max.
GTX970 OC, 3770K, 16GB RAM.
Of course this will not fix the hilarious texture res problems.
I would buy the console.
kenjigreat
Banned
Seriously? WTF , what is the setup being used , this is quite inexcusable.