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Battlefield V Reveal Event Discussion Thread

WaterAstro said:
Yeah, I was thinking about BF1 too. Maybe they'll reveal some details that make sense, but the addition of the hook arm makes it seem like they're shooting for something entirely unrealistic.

Wow, that's a bit much for "professional journalist". They're going to get backlash for that lol.
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Sorry, I meant the people in the comments...
 
Damn, COD is looking pretty good right now.

Weird trailer, gave more of a Bad Company 3 vibe which didn t match what they were saying beforehand...
 
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This is going around and I hope it is true.
 
Personally, I thought having a girl hero is a cliche these days, and I think that's what the people who are up in arms about it are reacting to. "Why are you putting your politics in my game even if it is a relatively harmless gesture? It's tasteless and you only did it to pander to some people whose opinions I don't very much agree with!"

Culturally a girl just doesn't fit into that role, so it feels disingenuous. And the hook hand thing? Wtf was that. The whole trailer was a messy headache of fast cuts and dirtied camera lens shots, it was hard to watch, going past their transparent attempt to titillate a certain audience.

I do like how it accurately captures what is different from a BF than a CoD. Vehicle combat, large maps etc, so in that sense, the trailer felt honest.
 
I'll probably get this day one. Taking Premium away was enough to get me to continue playing BF.

I don't care about historical accuracy, there are other games for that.

I think they tried to capture BF moments in the trailer.
 
dragos495 said:
hmm

"Sir Adrian Carton de Wiart was a one-eyed, one-handed war hero who fought in three major conflicts across six decades, surviving plane crashes and PoW camps."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30685433

maybe do some research before making a fool of yourself.
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And Alexander the Great was a homosexual 20-something who never lost a battle and conquered the known world at the time. He was the exception, not the rule.

You're reaching. If these games are going to represent ww2 with general exceptions, then they're simply being misleading. Also tribal face paint. :D Great way to stand out to enemy snipers.
 
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I thought the trailer was awesome. Over the top, but in the way I would expect Battlefield to be. Not too stylish or colorful like some were saying. I actually do think that's how the game is going to look, some animations aside, it's pretty much in line with how BF1 looks on my rig, this doesn't seem to be a Killzone situation at all.
 
Enosh said:
the one thing this trailer made clear is that I should just drop gaming altogether, obviously not the target audience anymore, been ages since I last played a non WoW game anyway
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I'm not understanding this mentality at all as it is rather bizarre.. You feel like you have to be the target audience of something in order for you to enjoy it?

I'm not the target audience for pretty much ANY game I play and I've never once thought "Totally not marketed to me, can't play/enjoy it."
 
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cryptoadam said:
WTH is going on. Who cares if there are women or POC in the game. People need to calm down. Its a Video game not a history lesson.
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Let's not be naïve here, i.e. the exact same extremists telling everyone to swallow this PC womens paralympic edition of WW2 (I.e. people who dominate both media & social media group think) have an absolute hissy fit & go on a literal witch hunt over the slightest deviation from their agenda - or in this case a more direct comparison would be the same side screeching their anger when (for example) Gods of Egypt (the movie) featured a predominantly white cast portraying ancient Egyptians: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/28/entertainment/gods-of-egypt-cast-apology-feat/index.html

Historical accuracy only matters to them when it's in service of their political doctrine. They're hate filled hypocrites, essentially, i.e. to an extent they actually believe it's a virtue to sh*t all over Europe's history for xyz messed-up reasons.
 
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Makariel said:
So, the second sino-japanese war didn't matter at all?
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How about no? Certainly not in terms of determining the outcome of the world war - one way or another. USA, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Hungary, Romania, Finland etc. i.e. primary shapers, makers & breakers of WW2. In the early 1940's, statistically these were predominantly white nations to a crushing degree (the war was determined in the western theatre - including western Russia, after all). It's even funnier to watch the radical left defensively gesticulate over their diversity rewriting of WW2 when the same people lecture everyone 24/7 how these same countries were 'evil white patriarchies who oppressed womenz & minorities!' ad-infinitum... until the 1960's or so. Apparently, 1940's WW2 was a Multikulti PC hiatus of sorts. o_O
 
The possibility of being able to disable in-game skins would certainly make their inclusion a lot more palatable. And yet, I think we've seen enough in other series that once a developer goes down this path it begins to greatly influences all of their design decisions.

It's a shame we have SJWs like Kotaku, Waypoint, etc. calling anyone out as members of the He Man Women Haters Club because there are some reasonable concerns about the look and tone of the series. If the first scene was of a female sniper manning a watch tower in the middle of Stalingrad no one would have batted an eye.

Every Battlefield game is a balance between fun and realism. A lot of crazy stuff happens, but it's still pretty good about keeping you in the moment. Crap like we saw in the trailer is so jarring and out of place that it's difficult to believe it can be integrated in a way that is faithful to the series.
 
It's not a big deal guys.

camelCase said:
Personally, I thought having a girl hero is a cliche these days, and I think that's what the people who are up in arms about it are reacting to. "Why are you putting your politics in my game even if it is a relatively harmless gesture? It's tasteless and you only did it to pander to some people whose opinions I don't very much agree with!"

Culturally a girl just doesn't fit into that role, so it feels disingenuous. And the hook hand thing? Wtf was that. The whole trailer was a messy headache of fast cuts and dirtied camera lens shots, it was hard to watch, going past their transparent attempt to titillate a certain audience.

I do like how it accurately captures what is different from a BF than a CoD. Vehicle combat, large maps etc, so in that sense, the trailer felt honest.
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As opposed to the novel idea of male heroes...
 
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Maybe if they named it Bad Company 3 the outcry about the character design wouldnt be so bad. Trailer was ok, but the actual gameplay details sound very very interesting. I think its what the series needed after 3 very serious entries in a row.
 
Ke0 said:
It's not a big deal guys.



As opposed to the novel idea of male heroes...
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I know, lol. I should specify, I mean the tough chick persona. But yeah, it's hard to say that's less annoying than the Marcus fenix archetype.
 
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truth to be told
the feature list sounds really really cool!

• Destruction explodes inwards or outwards based on where the destruction happens. Throw a grenade inside of the building? The explosion sends things outside of it. Outside of it? Breaks inwards.
• Tank driving into a building slowly destroys a building, walls slowly crack/fall, not instant
• Ragdolls are server side, can now drag a downed player's body elsewhere
• Ragdolls (player bodies) effect the environment, push down grass etc.
• Gunplay completely changed
• No more visual recoil
• Each gun has a unique recoil pattern that can be learned and mastered
• Bullet penetration through thin wood, sheet metal, walls
• Fortifications are things like sand bags, trenches, tank stoppers. Only supports can build offensively defense fortifications such as machine guns, field cannons and are much faster at building everything.
• Predetermined areas to build such as at flags, can rebuild destroyed buildings
.............

i also like the gameplay changes with animations / squad focus etc.
 
Guileless said:
Realism per se is not the issue; rather it is verisimilitude. We have a conception of how WW2 settings look based on historical photos and film that has been reflected in popular culture like Saving Private Ryan and band of Brothers.This is a major departure from that.
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But WWII hasn't been like this in popculture. We had superheroes fighting nazis, nobody complained about killing mecha Hitler in Wolfenstein 3D either. It seems it's just another front of current cultural war. Decade ago nobody gave a damn. Now everything is a battlefield.
 
I find it weird how everything has to be "diversified" these days, even stuff with historical settings.

But that said it's not a deal breaker for me and I feel people are overreacting a bit, but wanting more historical accuracy is also a valid criticism that doesn't deserve to be shouted down with cries of misogyny, so there's overreaction on both sides, I'm just so sick in general of controversies like this.

Part of me kinda likes it to be honest, it reminds me of Medal of Honor Underground way back in 2000 which was a WW2 game with a female protagonist, in that case she was a resistance fighter, but maybe that's the case here too?
 
ruvikx said:
How about no? Certainly not in terms of determining the outcome of the world war
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If the sino-japanese war and the Japanese expansion in large parts of Asia would have played out differently, the US would have had a much easier time approaching Japan, and would not have been forced fighting one bloody battle after the other. It's called World War, as you like to write repeatedly in bold letters, because the whole world was involved. Otherwise why don't we could just call it the "large scale inter-european brother-war"? You seem offended by people trying to re-write or re-frame history, but are happy to do so yourself by cherry-picking facts and figures that agree with your standpoint. Whatever.

edit: just thinking of it, playing the hearts of iron games is a great way to illustrate that WW2 was an incredibly complex affair, and nothing that can be summarized on the back side of a drink coaster, I can recommend playing.
 
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Also, here's some more food for thought , Medal of Honor Underground featured a female resistance fighter as the protagonist as I already said, but then she's drafted into the OSS to go on mostly undercover missions, smaller scale stuff like sabotage and infiltration rather than fighting in large scale battles, which weren't possible on the PS1.

So no problem there, there's enough proper context to not make it ridiculous, but then the PS2 follow up, Medal of Honor Frontline, which starts with a invasion of Normandy sequence has you playing as, you guessed it, a white male, even though he too is quickly drafted into the OSS to go on secret missions.

So a year 2000 WW2 game had a female protagonist but the developers took the time to make it a scenario where that would make sense rather than just shoving it in there and calling it a day.

What happened to where game developers have lost the ability to do diversity in a way that makes sense?

Again, personally it's not a big deal to me but I do wish the game was simply focusing on authenticity since I'm not married to the idea of diversity in media as so many clearly are.
 
John Lee Packard said:
I find it weird how everything has to be "diversified" these days, even stuff with historical settings.

But that said it's not a deal breaker for me and I feel people are overreacting a bit, but wanting more historical accuracy is also a valid criticism that doesn't deserve to be shouted down with cries of misogyny, so there's overreaction on both sides, I'm just so sick in general of controversies like this.

Part of me kinda likes it to be honest, it reminds me of Medal of Honor Underground way back in 2000 which was a WW2 game with a female protagonist, in that case she was a resistance fighter, but maybe that's the case here too?
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Doubtful, sounds like you could theoretically have have a whole army of 32 female characters going up against, for example, a whole army of male German characters. Definitely not the ww2 I've studied for years. 2018 for you and I'm guessing this is where people are having an issue.

Sure, have it set so that if theres a map based in Russia, make it so the female characters can be selected but to have them in every campaign? It's just not what ww2 was and if that's the case, why market this as a ww2 shooter?

I'd just like to clarify that I'm not agaisnt this it's just that it's not historically accurate at all and to say that does not make you a sexist or misogynist, no matter what the press or "other forums" say.

Use common sense people, it always prevails.
 
BLAUcopter said:
Doubtful, sounds like you could theoretically have have a whole army of 32 female characters going up against, for example, a whole army of male German characters. Definitely not the ww2 I've studied for years. 2018 for you and I'm guessing this is where people are having an issue.

Sure, have it set so that if theres a map based in Russia, make it so the female characters can be selected but to have them in every campaign? It's just not what ww2 was and if that's the case, why market this as a ww2 shooter?

I'd just like to clarify that I'm not agaisnt this it's just that it's not historically accurate at all and to say that does not make you a sexist or misogynist, no matter what the press or "other forums" say.

Use common sense people, it always prevails.
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That is a problem is player choice, too many female fighters would break immersion and does this apply to the German side too? Could you potentially be going up against black Nazis like CoD:WW2?

That would ruin it, hopefully it won't be that bad.
 
John Lee Packard said:
That is a problem is player choice, too many female fighters would break immersion and does this apply to the German side too? Could you potentially be going up against black Nazis like CoD:WW2?

That would ruin it, hopefully it won't be that bad.
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i really hope you can customize german troops too.
in cod ww2 you only are able to customise the allies.
so boring
 
Well, it will be a shit for those who are expecting a fully inmersive WW2 experience, but hey, Battlefield is a game, and its great. You can still have tons of fun with it even if girls takes out some immersion!
 
John Lee Packard said:
I find it weird how everything has to be "diversified" these days, even stuff with historical settings.

But that said it's not a deal breaker for me and I feel people are overreacting a bit, but wanting more historical accuracy is also a valid criticism that doesn't deserve to be shouted down with cries of misogyny, so there's overreaction on both sides, I'm just so sick in general of controversies like this.

Part of me kinda likes it to be honest, it reminds me of Medal of Honor Underground way back in 2000 which was a WW2 game with a female protagonist, in that case she was a resistance fighter, but maybe that's the case here too?
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You have to remember that this is the first look we have of the game until June. A lot of older fans who enjoyed the more authentic experience that Battlefield gave were shown something completely counter to that - but unlike Bad Company 1/2 or Wolfenstein, they never specified or made it clear that this is some alternate history or comedic take on the genre/era. This leads to a lot of confusion.

It also doesn't help that valid criticism by these long term fans are being silenced by a vocal minority calling them sexist/misogynist (nor the vocal minority who actually *are* those things).

It is a gigantic clusterfuck that is grown even worse by certain members of the gaming press pushing that narrative (similar to how GamerGate went down).

I believe, given JackFrag's video - a lot of this will blow over once we see genuine gameplay and the changes that take place.
 
Whitecrow said:
Well, it will be a shit for those who are expecting a fully inmersive WW2 experience, but hey, Battlefield is a game, and its great. You can still have tons of fun with it even if girls takes out some immersion!
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As I had mentioned before, I don't think it would have been an issue if it wasn't for the lack of authenticity in their design. If the women looked like actual soldiers from that era (without the insulting front-line prosthetic or kratos and katana), I don't think we would be seeing nearly as many people complain.
 
After watching the trailer, I was like... "Wow It can't be really In-game animation graphics and all stuff, that's pretty impressive" and stay skeptical about the real thing (and see everyone talking about that). But what is really impressive (and utterly disappointing btw) is that most of the comments here and on Youtube, just keep crying about the woman vs WW2 setting. This world need to chill out, it's a video game! All the Information out there about the gameplay is a step on the right direction.
 
Makariel said:
If the sino-japanese war and the Japanese expansion in large parts of Asia would have played out differently, the US would have had a much easier time approaching Japan, and would not have been forced fighting one bloody battle after the other. It's called World War, as you like to write repeatedly in bold letters, because the whole world was involved. Otherwise why don't we could just call it the "large scale inter-european brother-war"? You seem offended by people trying to re-write or re-frame history, but are happy to do so yourself by cherry-picking facts and figures that agree with your standpoint. Whatever..
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Europe's colonial powers, USA & the Soviet Union made a 'world war' self-evident based upon their overseas reach & territorial landmass ( aka a British Empire 'upon which the sun never sets'...). Japan was the only non-white industrialized superpower able to influence the proceedings (ironically allied with Germany).

BANGS said:
And that's where you end the conversation... who the fuck cares what extremists have to say?
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When those extremists are influencing the industry, shaping the games & insulting anyone who disagrees with their agenda, then yeah, I give a fuck. Others should too. What? You want Anita & all her likeminded crazies to shape the future of gaming? That sounds frigging awful.
 
ruvikx said:
When those extremists are influencing the industry, shaping the games & insulting anyone who disagrees with their agenda, then yeah, I give a fuck. Others should too. What? You want Anita & all her likeminded crazies to shape the future of gaming? That sounds frigging awful.
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They aren't influencing the industry nearly as much as our wallets are... and you're only giving them a bigger voice by paying attention to them. They do not shape the future of gaming, you're giving them way more credit than they deserve...
 
I Don't care about Battlefield because I Don't play much multiplayer games but I do care about all this shitstorm about women. I'm French and there was a lot of women in WWII and it's an historical fact. My grand mother and her sister were in the French Resistance and they were not there to make cookies, I can assure you. In USSR the Night Witches were fighter pilots, in the siege of Stalingrad there were plenty of women fighters, one of the most famous russian sniper of WWII was a woman. In England, there were women in SOE, they were parachuted in France, behind enemy lines, to support the planned landings of allied forces before D-Day.

So I fully get that some people Don't like the pulp aesthetics of the new Battlefield and that's fine, but to those who say that no woman took part in WWII, it's a lie.
 
SJW and *muh realism* aside, I'm disappointed because it's yet another WW2 game. The period has been done to death and there are an extremely wide variety of currently active offerings gamers can use to scratch that particular itch.

I would have loved to see a modern / futuristic BC3 given how arcadey the BF franchise has become. With a complete lack of tactics and teamwork in the current iterations, we're effectively looking at a larger scale CoD. BC2 was my favourite FPS by a landslide and it's lightheartedness and arcade-feel causes me to go back to it at least once a week. That gameplay in a new setting is the BF I want, not another tired WW2 game.
 
Cranberrys said:
I'm French and there was a lot of women in WWII and it's an historical fact. My grand mother and her sister were in the French Resistance and they were not there to make cookies, I can assure you. In USSR the Night Witches were fighter pilots...
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No wonder you were able to drive out the invading Germans so easily...
 
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BANGS said:
No wonder you were able to drive out the invading Germans so easily...
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:D

Well, the french weren't very clever with their Maginot line and prepared like shit and with Vichy some of them were total assholes but, still, the french resistance played a part and did some cool stuff to salvage what's left of the country's honor.
 
Heimdall_Xtreme said:
I just really love the art cover.

I hope play in german band, at least in multiplayer, and i still waiting for a german campaign in their point of view of the world war II
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You like this? This has to be the most generic cover they could have went with. Single soldier, female, orange and blue (which is on every generic movie and game cover).

Yes, I pointed out the female because they are obviously making a point with that and the trailer. I'm not sure what that point is? Probably: "The first ever completely historically innacurate WW2 shooter ever!"
 
I'm fine with women being in the game, but the way she was presented in the trailer probably wasn't the best way to do it. A woman dressed in standard issue military gear would have had a better reception, IMO. Instead we got a girl that looks like she's straight out of a fantasy RPG character creator. And honestly it probably would have softened the blow for some people if women were included in the modern setting (or 2142) BF games. It just seems like now is an odd time to finally bring them into the games.

I do think their intention with the trailer was to show how wildly different you can make your characters. I'd imagine many characters won't stray too far from what the ideal WWII soldier would look like, if all of this hoopla is any indication.
 
Claus Grimhildyr said:
You have to remember that this is the first look we have of the game until June. A lot of older fans who enjoyed the more authentic experience that Battlefield gave were shown something completely counter to that - but unlike Bad Company 1/2 or Wolfenstein, they never specified or made it clear that this is some alternate history or comedic take on the genre/era. This leads to a lot of confusion.
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Yes, it would have been better if they made it clear this was supposed to be some alternate history type take on WW2 ala Inglourious Basterds, which would have just fine! Cool even!

But instead they seem like they want to have their cake and eat it too and claim this is still an accurate depiction, either is fine on their own but you can't have it both ways.

At the end of the day though you have to be willing to look past this shit, it's just how modern culture rolls, recently I played For Honor which also allows you to play as a female in this medieval combat game, though that is at least pretty clearly a historical "what if" thing rather than a depiction of real history.

But you have to look at this from a business perspective, there is unfortunately a perception of gamers and gaming culture by the mainstream as being misogynist, so developers really go out of they're way to emphasize female characters these days as a way to prove that isn't true and to grow their audience considering how expensive game production is these days.

Sometimes it's lame but I feel like it shouldn't be a deal breaker, Prey from last year for example is a game that is "diverse" in a way that sometimes feels on the nose, but it's also a stellar game that is well worth looking past that.
 
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