The people on Earth *were* Cylons from Kobol.neight said:Wait a second, so the people on Earth knew they were from Kobol? And then they created their own Cylons who then evolved into skinjobs who then recreated technology from Kobol?
I was pretty satisfied. It wasn't just the information, but the character development of Cavil that made this episode great. Sam's talking never got boring, since it was interlaced with the other scenes.firehawk12 said:The plot exposition here was about as inane as the exposition on Lost earlier in the week. I don't understand how they could just have a character blab on and on for 20 minutes and expect anyone to be satisfied.
It almost trumps the revelation of Earth as the most disappointing resolution of the series.
Tenacious-V said:Well they can't all be ridiculously action packed awesomeness. This had a lot of story progression, it was good.
BenjaminBirdie said:I thought the "corrupted genetic material" line was a dead giveaway. Starbuck is Daniel. Let's call her "Denise".
;D
Come on... no. That makes no sense. He's being set up to beSkittleguy said:What if the corrupted DNA made Daniel into a girl?
Think about it....
DrForester said:Man, John Hodgman was so out of place on this show...
Or their daughter.B.K. said:Since the five apparently made the eight in the image of people they knew, I wonder if Tigh made the Sixes to look like Ellen when she was younger. That could explain why he saw Six as Ellen when he was in the brig with her.
squicken said:Why did the 13 colonies leave Kobol in the first place? I can't remember after 4 years of reveals packed into 40 minutes.
BenjaminBirdie said:Man, I don't follow all that mess. I have no idea. That's the one thing that stood out to me in that conversation. Al's speech about the limits of the human form, by the way, holy shit. That was spectacular.
Karakand said:Rad episode. Beget and begot are such an interesting topic for beings that have free will.
Too bad the writing team wrote shitty episodes about black markets instead of more about this one.
AndersTheSwede said:Fuck the audiences need for closure.
Won said:So much information in this episode and no budget to show some flachbacks?
Coop said:You know I just thought of something. Cavil had sex with Ellen on New Caprica. So in a way he had sex with his mother..?
Interactive Fiction said:This was the first thing I thought as well. Freaky skin-jobs.
CcrooK said:The twist must of been something very special.
maharg said:My prediction is that Starbuck is the result of corruption of Daniel's DNA. It fits her artistic side she had pre-military (remember her apartment). It's also quaintly perfect, given that she is a female version of a male character from the original show.
I'd be disappointed if it was Baltar. He doesn't make nearly as much sense.
Zeitgeister said:The case for Baltar:
- he seems to be infertile
Stoney Mason said:Smart people use condoms.
"Electric Gonorrhea: The Noisy Killer"Zeitgeister said:I knew that was coming, and you might want to remember all those Sixes and Three (somes) the guy has had. Which are cylons couldn't care less about protection...
Yeah, his part was the only real low of the episode.DrForester said:Man, John Hodgman was so out of place on this show...
Nice episode though.
gofreak said:I'm confused about the origins/history here a little bit.
OK, so humans left Kobol and founded 13 new colonies, one on earth.
Jonnyboy117 said:One thing I still don't understand -- why don't they just go back and live on Kobol? It seemed like a nice enough place. It was Cylon-occupied, but that seems a minor issue now.
adg1034 said:I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that
Puncture said:All of this has happened before and will happen again?
gofreak said:I'm confused about the origins/history here a little bit.
OK, so humans left Kobol and founded 13 new colonies, one on earth.
On earth, there were 5 technicians who developed ressurection technology. There was a holocaust, and they ressurected on a spaceship.
Now, what I'm confused about is the nature of the final 5.
Were they actually humans who found a way to ressurect themselves?
Were they cylons?
JayDubya said:Dean Stockwell really is fantastic in this show.
I mean, technically "John's" motive and his little spiel are not anything startlingly original, as we've seen them as recently as Agent Smith in the Matrix, but they feel fresh here, and quite convincing.
Uncle said:No. 4000 years ago 13th tribe (cylons) left Kobol for Earth, 2000 years later the humans left and founded the 12 colonies.
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kobol_(RDM)
Sullen said:Who nuked earth then? Have they mentioned that at all? Seems like that would be kind of a big deal but when the dude got his memories back I don't recall him saying anything about it.
gofreak said:Ah right OK..
So, on Kobol, humans at some point made Cylons, and at some point Cylons upped sticks and left for earth (all of them?), and then 2000 years later, the humans left. At this point, the humans were completely without cylons? Looking at the Caprica trailers and stuff, the notion seems to be that much later on they 'redeveloped' robots and Cylons. The memory of the cylons on Kobol had been lost? Or were the cylons on kobol made by something else (God?), and were never in contact with the humans there, leaving before humans emerged on kobol?