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BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)
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LQX
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This is actually not surprising. What's surprising is the uptick in some defending every fucking thing they do to agitate their neighbors. It is actually more disturbing than what North Korea is doing. Like what does it take? Them actually bombing a city in South Korea or Japan? Ridiculous.
always crazy bacon
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I know who I'd put my money on.
Can someone edit Kims face onto vince for the .GIF of the ages?
lol'ing because it's obvious or what?
It's more a question if they're being fed tech or synthesizing secrets and pieces they can get...
This is more like China straight up giving them stuff speed.
mercenar1e
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Pakistan had a hand in helping them kick start the program.
8-Bit Sunset
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Showing footage of the aftershocks in China now.
Having experienced a few earthquakes here, I must say that it seems pretty damn strong considering the distance.
Having experienced a few earthquakes here, I must say that it seems pretty damn strong considering the distance.
I know who I'd put my money on.
Can someone edit Kims face onto vince for the .GIF of the ages?
lol
I seriously doubt it's China. NK getting a nuke on an IBCM that has a realistic chance of reaching the US mainland would probably result in a nuclear arms race in SE Asia and that's the last thing China wants.
Yeah but Iran, Pakistan, and Libya don't have the tech NK's showing off.
Ukraine definitely does though. So who specifically is handing them tech, beyond their partners like Iran?
8-Bit Sunset
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Never mind the US mainland right now, it is the immediate risk of doom that people living here in Asia have right now.
Netherscourge
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NK is only making their own country less habitable every time they set off nuke there.
That radiation doesn't just go poof.
That radiation doesn't just go poof.
mercenar1e
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you can cross Iran off the list. they don't have the technology for an h-bomb. my money is on Russia.
NK has been capable of nuking SK and Japan for a long time now. The US's massive arsenal is what has kept them in check.
https://youtu.be/NwbYpdGpx8U
The US's allies haven't needed nukes thanks to the US. A working ICBM puts that in jeopardy.
iRAWRasaurus
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Maybe china will do something instead of noting.
8-Bit Sunset
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We can but hope they pull their finger out sooner rather than later.
It's been about 15 years since their first test, do you really think they can't figure some of this out on their own? If Russia was spoon feeding them technology they'd be moving a lot faster.
It's tens of millions now without nukes. They've had conventional, chemical and biological weapons for a long time.
Who gets to decide when it's acceptable for a city of people to die?
China doesn't want to get involved. They are hoping that the US will attack and they can stand by and do nothing. It's all strategy. China knows the US is likely to act first and therefore they don't feel the need or desire to utilize any of their own resources and don't want to make an enemy either.
What do you think the consequences of that would be?
8-Bit Sunset
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But the questions remain about if China and Russia would really sit idly by whilst the US/S.Korea/Japan launch an assault?
iRAWRasaurus
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Until china says they won't back N.Korea if they are attack, I don't believe this. If anything china is prob the thing holding trump's dumbass from invading already.
BlastProcessing
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The second you attack NK the thousands of artillery guns pointed at Seoul fire. Seoul has 9 million people in it, 25 million people in the metro area. Tens of thousands of people would die in a best case scenario.
I'd imagine China has been holding the carrot and Russia just ran in with sweet corn and avocado toast.
Because the US has had such a great record with wars of aggression. /s
100%TrophyMaster
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Do we keep calling their bluff then until they launch a nuke into Tokyo/Seoul and kill millions of people with these "tests"? Their military program is growing larger and larger while we sit around saying "but... but....but..."
At some point you have to say this is bullshit and intervene before their nuclear program gets out of control.
I wish
Why would they do that? Think about it.
If that were the case, China would be telling the world that they won't defend North Korea if the US attacks. Instead, they're doing the opposite.
Washington Post said:
China likes the status quo. They don't want North Korea to go away, but they also don't want war (or enough of a threat of war to justify arms buildup around South Korea). They're unlikely to intervene until things reach the brink.
Which is understandable; but no one seems to mention that, like the post I responded to talking about refugees and dealing with NK's infrastructure as if they could just easily swoop in and take them over if not for the people they'd be left to deal with.
That maks sense, thanks! I guess they don't really need any more military projection in that part of Asia; it's mostly them attempting to project South that we see?
100%TrophyMaster
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Well they just launched a missle over Japan and that's some bullshit that shouldn't be "accepted" as the norm. You can't let that become normalized.
What do you think the alternative is?
Apparently they're not quite there yet.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41139445
So probably another boosted fission device.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41139445
So probably another boosted fission device.
Escape Goat
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Because it was a show of force. Nations do it to each other all the time.
Russia violates US airspace all the time and you don't see us gearing up to invade them. (I understand that violating airspace is hardly as significant as shooting a missile over another country, but you get my point)
Shit, just look at all the time the US and Soviet Union did war games near each other. Sometimes with actual nuclear weapons.
They do only underground tests, at least so far. Surface or aerial tests would be easy to detect, and can't be controlled as well.
Underground testing is quite safe, provided the hole is sealed properly before detonation. Indeed, all accidents with such tests have been caused by improper sealing as far as i know.
I'm obviously not an expert but the only 2 long-term scenarios I see are:
1) Endure the refugee crises and ~$1 trillion dollars in expenses to overthrow the N. Korea regime and unify Korea.
2) Convince Kim Jong-un that N. Korea would fare a lot better on-the-grid and slowly connect them to the world economy (similar to the Iran deal).
1) Endure the refugee crises and ~$1 trillion dollars in expenses to overthrow the N. Korea regime and unify Korea.
2) Convince Kim Jong-un that N. Korea would fare a lot better on-the-grid and slowly connect them to the world economy (similar to the Iran deal).
100%TrophyMaster
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That is a great question. I would love to think there would be a diplomatic way to resolve this but I don't think there is based on who is in charge. I think either Trump or NK will do something stupid very quickly to start a war in my honest opinion :/ I hope I'm wrong
You don't want to start a war but you were advocating for an intervention?
I've seen some more complex formulas for nuclear bombs tested at a specific depth underground that resolves 6.3 to about a 1 megaton device. Lost the link, sorry.
SyenceLabb
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North Korea is apparently making a "special" announcement at 2:30 ET
Probably just their standard state news "we've made a successful test" announcement.
Just piping up to say that's a pretty damn important distinction, since I highly (highly) doubt the US reaction would be the same as Russia coming close to US airspace during "training exercises", vs Russia firing a missile over the US, which is exactly what NK just did to Japan.
Two and half minutes and it won't be changed (if it is at all) until January.
Any chance this is a "We've realized the error of our ways and want to not be awful anymore" announcement? No? Damn.