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[Funky Papa]

The biggest mistake you can make is to assume that your opponent is a better or worse person than you are. Often, you can chalk up the difference of opinion to a difference in values.

I've talked about thist bit at the Trump thread. The problem with the GOP is that much of its platform is guided by biblical values, which renders discussion nigh impossible.

This is not about believing that one person is better than other, but the cold hard fact that some people are willing to listen and move their positions while others are not. This is also why leftists (not just in America, but around the world) tend to implode or devolve into civil war at the smallest crack while corraled conservatives become even more adamant. Just check the GOP's progression over the past eight years. Or paraphrasing ronito, when Dems lose it's all "aw shucks", but when the GOP does it's all "YIHAAAAAAAAAD".

The Democratic side (and particularly Sanders, since he has that non establishment halo) could try to seduce those Republican voters that are not against abortion or gay marriage, and I believe that not only would be incredibly beneficial for America, but that it could take much less effort than many people think. The religious side of the GOP, however, is uncrackable. And tragically, it makes as huge part of the party.

 

[noshten]

Trump would do a 180 in a GE on a host of issues, when people press him about it he would laugh it off. He would point out that his opponents switch position all the time and he is playing the political game by their rules better than themselves. That's why Sanders is the best person to face him in a GE. While Cruz is literally the worst possible candidate the Republicans can put forth.

 

[theignoramus]

I thought it was it interesting that the WSJ wrote an editorial in which they criticized Hillary for her dishonest attacks against Sanders, whom they fundamentally disagree with on policy but respect for his honesty and principled beliefs.
I think if she uses the attack methodology of distortion and mischaracterisation against Sanders it may actually drive people away from her.
The dislike is very very real.

 

[Funky Papa]

Hillary is despised by the right with blind hate for a host of reasons:

• She's part of the Clinton dynasty
• She's a living and acting reminder of Bill "getting away with it" after one of the most outrageous political prosecutions since the Red Scare
• She's hard against guns
• She's a liberal woman, which has quite the compounding effect
• She's been the right hand of Grand Vizir Barack Hussein Obama, who already sent the GOP into a piranha-like frenzy
• She's been "getting away with it" for the longest time, culminating with the e-mail scandal and BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI
• She's just plain old, and the older the grudge, the more vicious it becomes

Regardless of my political preferences and personal views about her, it's undeniable that the GOP has been out for Hillary for decades. If she wins the nom, the GOP will go nuclear. Unless they are still too confused dealing with Trump.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I love Bernie, and I really want single-payer, but has he ever talked about what he'll do if he can't get single-payer passed? Work towards adding a public option to the ACA? Any other tweaks?

That's been my main problem with Bernie. I agree with almost all of his policy goals, but they're very idealistic. What smaller and more feasible goals does he have?.

Well, he supported a public insurance option back when people were freaking out over the possibility of including it in the Obamacare bill, so i do assume that is his back up plan.

Paid family and medical leave is another, as well as raising the minimum wage, it may have to be a lower amount than 15, but its on the table and possible.

Breaking up the big banks may not be possible, but actually putting back into place real restrictions on them instead of Dodd Franks slap on the wrist is also a good start.
Pushing for Glass Steagal at the very least, as well as a tax on speculative transactions on Wall Street.



But the real point of Bernie's campaign is radical change and an actual leader who represents this change.

Even if he doesn't manage radical change, its enough knowing that there's someone in there fighting the good fight on behalf of the ground level folks instead of paying lipservice like everyone else.

 

[Rootbeer]

Cornel West talks about Bernie Sanders on last night's Maher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bony-LuO45Y

 

[Delt31]

Bernie def can't win the election. He's a socialist and we live in America. Simple as that. Anyone telling you the opposite only knows these forums and doesn't fully understand how this country works and the entire population of those that live in it.

What I love about Bernie though is he's this close with Hillary and that must be so embarrassing for her. The fact she is having trouble beating a socialist just shows how people can see through her facade.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Cornel West talks about Bernie Sanders on last night's Maher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bony-LuO45Y

Holy shit, is that really true? Do we have actual statistics on that?

West said in South Carolina the numbers went from 2.5 to 20% in a few months.

That's almost as big as the jump in California with Latinos from 3.5% to 35% just from November to a couple of days ago

Bernie def can't win the election. He's a socialist and we live in America. Simple as that. Anyone telling you the opposite only knows these forums and doesn't fully understand how this country works and the entire population of those that live in it.
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People are going to have to do more than just say 'socialist' to explain their position or line of attack.

 

[Delt31]

Ugh not really. A socialist represents values across the board that contradict capitalism. If you understood that, which everyone should, that's all someone needs to point out.

That being said go Bernie go (in the Dem primaries!)

- signed everyone who is voting Republican this year. ; )

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Well, he supported a public insurance option back when people were freaking out over the possibility of including it in the Obamacare bill, so i do assume that is his back up plan.

Paid family and medical leave is another, as well as raising the minimum wage, it may have to be a lower amount than 15, but its on the table and possible.

Breaking up the big banks may not be possible, but actually putting back into place real restrictions on them instead of Dodd Franks slap on the wrist is also a good start.
Pushing for Glass Steagal at the very least, as well as a tax on speculative transactions on Wall Street.



But the real point of Bernie's campaign is radical change and an actual leader who represents this change.

Even if he doesn't manage radical change, its enough knowing that there's someone in there fighting the good fight on behalf of the ground level folks instead of paying lipservice like everyone else.

No, it isn't enough to have someone fighting the good fight if they never win them. Look, I like Bernie and honestly his platform aligns with my beliefs more than Hillary's does. The problem is that Bernie will not be able to get his agenda off the ground at all with the political landscape we have currently. So I'd rather have Hillary in there because she would be able to do something, even if it's not exactly what I'd like to see.

I can't support Bernie until he starts showing me policies that can actually pass through Congress.

 

[Funky Papa]

No, it isn't enough to have someone fighting the good fight if they never win them. Look, I like Bernie and honestly his platform aligns with my beliefs more than Hillary's does. The problem is that Bernie will not be able to get his agenda off the ground at all with the political landscape we have currently. So I'd rather have Hillary in there because she would be able to do something, even if it's not exactly what I'd like to see.

I can't support Bernie until he starts showing me policies that can actually pass through Congress.

What makes you think that the GOP is going to be any less obstructionist with Clinton, who is already hated by the Republican party with the intensity of a thousand suns?

 

[noshten]

People are going to have to do more than just say 'socialist' to explain their position or line of attack.

Let right wingers think this line of attack is their ticket to victory.

 

[BowieZ]

No, it isn't enough to have someone fighting the good fight if they never win them. Look, I like Bernie and honestly his platform aligns with my beliefs more than Hillary's does. The problem is that Bernie will not be able to get his agenda off the ground at all with the political landscape we have currently. So I'd rather have Hillary in there because she would be able to do something, even if it's not exactly what I'd like to see.

I can't support Bernie until he starts showing me policies that can actually pass through Congress.

If Clinton gets anything through Congress, I can almost guarantee it won't be worth getting through Congress.

Why don't you vote with integrity? And hope that the right candidate will show great leadership and potentially make even a slight positive difference.

Bernie def can't win the election. He's a socialist and we live in America. Simple as that. Anyone telling you the opposite only knows these forums and doesn't fully understand how this country works and the entire population of those that live in it.

Polling shows Bernie is likelier to win a GE than Clinton.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

What makes you think that the GOP is going to be any less obstructionist with Clinton, who is already hated by the Republican party with the intensity of a thousand suns?

Because her policies are more centrist than Bernie's, they can't just play the socialist card to their constituents to block all her ideas, and since the race based vitriol will no longer be there I think the GOP will find it more palatable to work with her and not risk local primary battles in the south.

If Clinton gets anything through Congress, I can almost guarantee it won't be worth getting through Congress.

Why don't you vote with integrity? And hope that the right candidate will show great leadership and potentially make even a slight positive difference.


Polling shows Bernie is likelier to win a GE than Clinton.

Because voting with integrity led to George Bush instead of Al Gore. I'm done with idealism, we have to look at the bigger picture from now on.

 

[disastermouse]

I thought it was it interesting that the WSJ wrote an editorial in which they criticized Hillary for her dishonest attacks against Sanders, whom they fundamentally disagree with on policy but respect for his honesty and principled beliefs.
I think if she uses the attack methodology of distortion and mischaracterisation against Sanders it may actually drive people away from her.
The dislike is very very real.

I'm already committed to not voting for her. First time since I've been voting that I won't vote Dem.

If it's Bernie, I'll hold my nose and vote for him.

 

[disastermouse]

Hillary is despised by the right with blind hate for a host of reasons:

• She's part of the Clinton dynasty
• She's a living and acting reminder of Bill "getting away with it" after one of the most outrageous political prosecutions since the Red Scare
• She's hard against guns
• She's a liberal woman, which has quite the compounding effect
• She's been the right hand of Grand Vizir Barack Hussein Obama, who already sent the GOP into a piranha-like frenzy
• She's been "getting away with it" for the longest time, culminating with the e-mail scandal and BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI
• She's just plain old, and the older the grudge, the more vicious it becomes

Regardless of my political preferences and personal views about her, it's undeniable that the GOP has been out for Hillary for decades. If she wins the nom, the GOP will go nuclear. Unless they are still too confused dealing with Trump.

She's not a liberal.

 

[Machina]

Ugh not really. A socialist represents values across the board that contradict capitalism. If you understood that, which everyone should, that's all someone needs to point out.

That being said go Bernie go (in the Dem primaries!)

- signed everyone who is voting Republican this year. ; )

If you guys are seriously relying on the Socialist bogyman to see you through, you are in for a rude awakening. Faith in Capitalism is at all time lows and you can thank Wall Street for that.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No, it isn't enough to have someone fighting the good fight if they never win them. Look, I like Bernie and honestly his platform aligns with my beliefs more than Hillary's does. The problem is that Bernie will not be able to get his agenda off the ground at all with the political landscape we have currently. So I'd rather have Hillary in there because she would be able to do something, even if it's not exactly what I'd like to see.

I can't support Bernie until he starts showing me policies that can actually pass through Congress.

So then, if your entire argument hinges on "Bernie can't get any plans passed congress!", why would you vote for Hillary, who is going to also be attacked by the GOP just because she's Hillary on anything she tries to pass basically the same way, yet she also has the added baggage of also playing for corporate money just like them and watering down/rejecting bills herself without their intervention to start with?

Right now, she's trying to expand the private industry at any cost, the same as the GOP, and absolutely backs TPP behind closed doors, as she has said during corporate fundraisers.....do you really win when that happens, is that really a win for the citizen because "she passed something", even if it literally had nothing to do with fixing anything in particular?

Your basically saying your willing to ignore her screwing us over for no reason, just because she can made backroom deals and screw us over more than the other guy can.

With Sanders in the room, we can be confident that legislation is coming from a legitimate place. So we will not have him at the table with big Pharma like during the Obamacare healthcare fight, getting their approval and making sure they get all of their demands in before signing off of parts of the plan.

 

[Scipio]

Ugh not really. A socialist represents values across the board that contradict capitalism. If you understood that, which everyone should, that's all someone needs to point out.

Hate reading this. (Modern/Scandinavian) social democratism =/= Sovjet socialism.

It's a correction to capitalism.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

So then, if your entire argument hinges on "Bernie can't get any plans passed congress!", why would you vote for Hillary, who is going to also be attacked by the GOP just because she's Hillary on anything she tries to pass basically the same way, yet she also has the added baggage of also playing for corporate money just like them and watering down/rejecting bills herself without their intervention to start with?

Right now, she's trying to expand the private industry at any cost, the same as the GOP, and absolutely backs TPP behind closed doors, as she has said during corporate fundraisers.....do you really win when that happens, is that really a win for the citizen because "she passed something", even if it literally had nothing to do with fixing anything in particular?

Your basically saying your willing to ignore her screwing us over for no reason, just because she can made backroom deals and screw us over more than the other guy can.

With Sanders in the room, we can be confident that legislation is coming from a legitimate place. So we will not have him at the table with big Pharma like during the Obamacare healthcare fight, getting their approval and making sure they get all of their demands in before signing off of parts of the plan.

Another issue is I don't believe Bernie can win the general election. Stakes are too high as a minority in this country to back a candidate we don't have faith can win the general election. Even Obama had trouble getting black support early in his campaign and he didn't really get traction with us until we saw he could actually win.

So right now Bernie has two jobs, convince people he can actually win the general election and tell us how he plans on getting his socialist ideas through Congress.

 

[Henchmen21]

I thought it was it interesting that the WSJ wrote an editorial in which they criticized Hillary for her dishonest attacks against Sanders, whom they fundamentally disagree with on policy but respect for his honesty and principled beliefs.
I think if she uses the attack methodology of distortion and mischaracterisation against Sanders it may actually drive people away from her.
The dislike is very very real.

Not may...has. I've spoken with several people that are now voting Bernie due to her (and her daughter's) lies about Bernie's healthcare plan.

 

[Funky Papa]

She's not a liberal.

I would agree with you, but she's pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion and anti-gun.

Given the current state of American politics (and ignoring the full meaning of the word, as messy as it may be), she's a liberal politician for all intents and purposes.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I would agree with you, but she's pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion and anti-gun.

Given the current state of American politics (and ignoring the full meaning of the word, as messy as it may be), she's a liberal politician for all intents and purposes.

3 positions(which she has flip flopped on) doesnt make her a liberal. It makes her at the very most, have several left leaning positions. A center right candidate. They are absolutely dwarfed by the tsunami of conservative positions she supports or has supported the past.

That's like saying being a democrat automatically makes you a liberal, a progressive. Lolno.

 

[SnakeXs]

I would agree with you, but she's pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion and anti-gun.

Given the current state of American politics (and ignoring the full meaning of the word, as messy as it may be), she's a liberal politician for all intents and purposes.

Continuing this narrative has been saved continues to be dangerous, however.

 

[Knoxcore]

Bernie def can't win the election. He's a socialist and we live in America. Simple as that. Anyone telling you the opposite only knows these forums and doesn't fully understand how this country works and the entire population of those that live in it.

What I love about Bernie though is he's this close with Hillary and that must be so embarrassing for her. The fact she is having trouble beating a socialist just shows how people can see through her facade.

Hillary isn't doing anything wrong. The problem is that the left of the Democratic Party has moved so far left that she can't possibly be able to talk about those issues authentically. It's similar to the Republican Party and their move to the far right. The middle has been squeezed out of politics by hyper partisans.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Hillary isn't doing anything wrong. The problem is that the left of the Democratic Party has moved so far left that she can't possibly be able to talk about those issues authentically. It's similar to the Republican Party and their move to the far right. The middle has been squeezed out of politics by hyper partisans.

"So far left"? We're just moving back to where we used to be as liberals, with actual representation in this country to get change enacted with actual effort expended. The democrats are the ones who have followed the GOP off the cliff, and people like yourself think that is normal?

 

[Log4Girlz]

I would agree with you, but she's pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion and anti-gun.

Given the current state of American politics (and ignoring the full meaning of the word, as messy as it may be), she's a liberal politician for all intents and purposes.

A regular Josephina Stalin

 

[Knoxcore]

If you guys are seriously relying on the Socialist bogyman to see you through, you are in for a rude awakening. Faith in Capitalism is at all time lows and you can thank Wall Street for that.

Among Democrats particularly, socialism is now viewed more favorably, but I think that is more a function of liking Bernie Sanders who calls himself a democratic socialist than understanding what socislism actually means and how it changes our society. In the strictest sense if the term, Sanders is not a socialist. From my point of view, he does not want to eliminate the core pillars of capitalism.

 

[King Tubby]

Ugh not really. A socialist represents values across the board that contradict capitalism. If you understood that, which everyone should, that's all someone needs to point out.

You're assuming that everyone likes the values of capitalism that Bernie seeks to rein in. Hint: They don't. It's still a matter of rhetoric of course and Bernie will take a hit for being some kind of radical, but his actual positions are not abhorrent to the masses.

That being said go Bernie go (in the Dem primaries!)

- signed everyone who is voting Republican this year. ; )

If you think the Republicans can put up someone like Donald Trump up against Sanders or Clinton and expect to even sniff victory you are in for quite the rude awakening.

 

[G.ZZZ]

Hillary isn't doing anything wrong. The problem is that the left of the Democratic Party has moved so far left that she can't possibly be able to talk about those issues authentically. It's similar to the Republican Party and their move to the far right. The middle has been squeezed out of politics by hyper partisans.

So far left what? Bernie is a center left politician if not center right politician in most european countries.

Single payer, high taxes, high welfare are things that even the rightmost party in europe would never dare to touch, and someway this is literally one step from the soviet union in the US. May as well call EU the URSS 2.0.

 

[disastermouse]

Hillary isn't doing anything wrong. The problem is that the left of the Democratic Party has moved so far left that she can't possibly be able to talk about those issues authentically. It's similar to the Republican Party and their move to the far right. The middle has been squeezed out of politics by hyper partisans.

The left didn't go anywhere. The center moved hard to the right, starting with good ol' Bill.

Don't pretend that liberals have suddenly become reasonable just because the Republicans have been kicking Democrats' asses and moving the Overton Window.

 

[disastermouse]

A regular Josephina Stalin

Well, Joe was actually far to the right within the Bolshevik party.

 

[disastermouse]

Among Democrats particularly, socialism is now viewed more favorably, but I think that is more a function of liking Bernie Sanders who calls himself a democratic socialist than understanding what socislism actually means and how it changes our society. In the strictest sense if the term, Sanders is not a socialist. From my point of view, he does not want to eliminate the core pillars of capitalism.

He's not a Socialist in the slightest. Bernie still argues that Capitalism can be reformed. He's wrong, but he's humane, at the very least.

Either way, capitalism is approaching terminal status via its own contradictions. It's adapted about as much as it can. The problems we face cannot be solved by incrementalist technological dynamism and capitalism can't provide much more than that due to competition and the need for capital to find profit.

 

[SolarPowered]

Hillary isn't doing anything wrong. The problem is that the left of the Democratic Party has moved so far left that she can't possibly be able to talk about those issues authentically. It's similar to the Republican Party and their move to the far right. The middle has been squeezed out of politics by hyper partisans.

This false equivalence nonsense isn't going to fly anymore. Bernie Sanders is about as far left as it gets in the US and he'd be center left at best by international standards.

 

[exmachina64]

This false equivalence nonsense isn't going to fly anymore. Bernie Sanders is about as far left as it gets in the US and he'd be center left at best by international standards.

So? The U.S. political spectrum is further to the right than other countries. That can't be changed overnight, even if Bernie is elected.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So? The U.S. political spectrum is further to the right than other countries. That can't be changed overnight, even if Bernie is elected.

He would potentially have 8 years. (and he would be 82 at the end. So, there's that)

 

[Dixon's Jet]

So? The U.S. political spectrum is further to the right than other countries. That can't be changed overnight, even if Bernie is elected.

President Sanders can potentially do a lot to bring it further to the left. He needs to cultivate his positive relationship with his base to do this, but I don't think they would desert him unless he did a 180 in office.

If he becomes President, he must start giving speeches about voting for congress.

 

[Future PhaZe]

The market crash was a stealth boon to companies that learned how to operate at better efficiencies with the minimum in terms of workers.

That mindset is more prevalent than ever. The idea of tax less and let capitalism do the rest is a fallacy.

 

[SolarPowered]

So? The U.S. political spectrum is further to the right than other countries. That can't be changed overnight, even if Bernie is elected.

I'm not saying anything about Bernie changing the spectrum or Bernie being elected. I'm plainly stating that poster's "hyper partisan" narrative is nonsense. There is no far left in the US shouting down "the middle". There is one man and to top it off he doesn't even have majority support in the democratic primaries.

 

[Dixon's Jet]

I'm not saying anything about Bernie changing the spectrum or Bernie being elected. I'm plainly stating that poster's "hyper partisan" narrative is nonsense. There is no far left in the US shouting down "the middle". There is one man and to top it off he doesn't even have majority support in the democratic primaries.

The far left clearly don't hold power but why do you say they don't even exist? Bernie Sanders could have no support if people instinctively hate liberalism, though yes, millions have been spent to poison the term socialist.

 

[SolarPowered]

The far left clearly don't hold power but why do you say they don't even exist? Bernie Sanders could have no support if people instinctively hate liberalism, though yes, millions have been spent to poison the term socialist.

I think you might be conflating far left politicians with far left voters. There are few of the former and quite a bit of the latter (anywhere from twenty to thirty percent and they're not as feverish as Trump's base because if they were the DNC would be terrified). There aren't even enough far left US politicians to be a serious threat to the democratic party like the Tea Party has been to Republicans. They hold no power in any of the three branches of government and they certainly aren't part of some imaginary hyper partisan far left on the political spectrum. Honestly, there are probably fewer far left politicians in power today than there were far right 2016 presidential candidates who get far more media attention with which to put the "middle" down.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

That mindset is more prevalent than ever. The idea of tax less and let capitalism do the rest is a fallacy.

The prospect of automation scare me a lot.


Bernie is talking about 4 million new jobs in the infrastructure revolution. fascinating, and a good way to get the economy moving. Will there be a revamp to the way the unions work in America?
Will there be a change of attitude in America that you're not a loser for not getting an academic degree, and that having a physical craft is actually a means to a decent life, with a decent wage, decent benefits (higher physical labor risk and turmoil on your body)?

It's a failure of the way we measure our GNP when we don't take into context the quality of the buildings and infrastructure.
China has massively inflated their GNP by building endlessly. They are going to have real big problems when they have to maintain and fix everything. It's a testment to a lot of American engineering that so many roads, bridges and dams have lasted as long as they have.

GNP should reflect the level of maintenance you have in your country, to accurately show, and make countries prioritize the physical labor in maintaining buildings and the public sector. It strikes me as capitalistic perversion when you build needlessly. It's not a over exaggeration when people say that they build for no reason in China. An outrageous amount of buildings are left uninhabited. It's unsustainable, but very much a reaction of how we measure wealth.
Because they better it goes, the better the speculation is, the more optimistic investors and banks are, yielding in everyone being able to loan money they don't have. And that works really well, until the bubble burst and everyone but a few are covered in shit.

America needs good union reforms. Reforms that doesn't / can't have a personal capitalistic interest or ability to make money of its court cases. That has to go. Unions are not about fucking over companies, it's about protecting the rights of a worker from abuse. That's it.
I understand why a lot of people would be against Unions if a guy being treated unfairly at a job, would have his union sue and make the entire company going bankrupt, fucking it up for all the other employees. That's not the way, and that isn't how unions work in a lot of European countries.

 

[exmachina64]

He would potentially have 8 years. (and he would be 82 at the end. So, there's that)

President Sanders can potentially do a lot to bring it further to the left. He needs to cultivate his positive relationship with his base to do this, but I don't think they would desert him unless he did a 180 in office.

I hope so.

If he becomes President, he must start giving speeches about voting for congress.

Isn't he already doing this?

I'm not saying anything about Bernie changing the spectrum or Bernie being elected. I'm plainly stating that poster's "hyper partisan" narrative is nonsense. There is no far left in the US shouting down "the middle". There is one man and to top it off he doesn't even have majority support in the democratic primaries.

Sorry, I misread your previous post.

 

[SolarPowered]

\Sorry, I misread your previous post.

It's all good. I figured that must have been what happened.

 

[sphagnum]

The prospect of automation scare me a lot.

Automation would be great if we had actual socialism.

 

[dabig2]

Automation would be great if we had actual socialism.

Well, we're going to have a lot of hard discussions about socialism at some point in the future as automation and advanced technology in general wipes out more and more middle and low class jobs. Or we can keep society frozen in the 2000s, but I doubt that will ever work (nor should we of course).

 

[-COOLIO-]

Well, we're going to have a lot of hard discussions about socialism at some point in the future as automation and advanced technology in general wipes out more and more middle and low class jobs. Or we can keep society frozen in the 2000s, but I doubt that will ever work (nor should we of course).

with the growing use of automation and just software in general, it's either mass poverty or more socialism. the "but we'll need robot repair men" myth is still kind of of rampant, but we know that's not a thing.

 

[disastermouse]

with the growing use of automation and just software in general, it's either mass poverty or more socialism. the "but we'll need robot repair men" myth is still kind of of rampant, but we know that's not a thing.

Yep. Shit, I've got a novel in the works about this.

 

[sphagnum]

Bernie's campaign slogan should be "socialism or barbarism".

 

[theignoramus]

If you guys are seriously relying on the Socialist bogyman to see you through, you are in for a rude awakening. Faith in Capitalism is at all time lows and you can thank Wall Street for that.

I think the fear mongering about his socialist label can be mitigated if he doubles down on the fact that polls suggest the American population actually agrees with almost all of his major proposals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-americans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/

Americans generally back his agenda.