Jake Tower
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Is there such a thing as white knights for mod makers?
If so, this thread's got some.
If so, this thread's got some.
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Black Mesa Source Releases new screenshots
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Backfoggen
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There are white knights for everything absolutely no exceptions.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Even white knight white knight white knights?
WickedCobra03
Member
I am not sure who trolls harder. Valve with Half-Life 3 dropping obscure little hints, or Black Mesa: Source with their excruciating and long development process.
Yeah, because anyone who doesn't hate what Gaf hates has got to be a white knight...
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Valve has the product that people give a shit about so they win.
Haven't you heard?
My issue isn't that the mod will be great. It may be terrible if it ever comes out, yes it's taken forever, yes it would have been great to hear more progress information.
What is kind of surprising and scary to me is the sheer level of like...anger, I suppose, in the thread? Being so angry at a mod that you would actually want it shut down (despite what that might imply for mods in general or Valve in particular) kind of boggles my mind. Is this merely a grudge people hold against this particular mod?
I mean if it's terrible and comes out that's fine -- it doesn't necessarily need defended, and people can simply not play it. But why react with such vitriol? It doesn't seem to me like the mod being potentially still in development is actually hurting anything.
What is kind of surprising and scary to me is the sheer level of like...anger, I suppose, in the thread? Being so angry at a mod that you would actually want it shut down (despite what that might imply for mods in general or Valve in particular) kind of boggles my mind. Is this merely a grudge people hold against this particular mod?
I mean if it's terrible and comes out that's fine -- it doesn't necessarily need defended, and people can simply not play it. But why react with such vitriol? It doesn't seem to me like the mod being potentially still in development is actually hurting anything.
Treemonkeys
Member
This thread is taking the idea of gamer entitlement to new levels.
They stated it will be more than a straight up remake and that they've added their own twist to it.
Angry Fork
Member
The people 'white knighting' are the reasonable ones.
Everyone else is acting like a bunch of entitled spoiled whiney brats.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Man, I hope some of you carry this much water for Kanye on the OT side. At least that motherfucker has actually put stuff out.
faceless007
Member
If you define "white knight" as "someone who disagrees with me about something," sure. Since that's how the term is used now.
Angry Fork
Member
Everything after 808s is either tolerable or terrible, everything before is good/nostalgic. 808s is Kanye's only masterpiece.
Games of this magnitude also take 100x the amount of time/will power to complete over an album. I know you were kidding just saying.
Games of this magnitude also take 100x the amount of time/will power to complete over an album. I know you were kidding just saying.
DJ Crimson
Banned
I'm sure you think those are the reasonable ones since you're one of the few defending them. That's pretty funny. Keep defending their incompetence though.
Angry Fork
Member
Provide compelling arguments explaining why nobody should play or want a full blown remake of HL1.
DJ Crimson
Banned
Where did I state I was arguing that? I'm talking about their incompetence here.
Angry Fork
Member
What's the incompetence.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I'm joking, but only just a bit.
My point is that, in some ways, these two entities are kind of similar in that the way they've gone about promoting themselves has been annoying, grand, and in some cases, totally destructive.
DJ Crimson
Banned
Yea, no point in discussing this further with you. Selective memory is a bitch yo.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
The better question is "why should we want *this* remake?"
Angry Fork
Member
Japanese tsunami thing? Which has nothing to do with this game, what else? Attempting to spread word about the content they just spent the last 6 years developing by asking people to tell friends and like their page? The horror. They should be thrown into lakes of fire.
It's a mod made by fans, obviously there's some incompetence, why would you expect otherwise? 99 percent of mods are never finished and even those which are usually go through a very rough development phase, losing lots of team members on the way and so on.
This isn't the counter-point you seem to think it is.
Valve are perfectly fine with the mod, but what you're thinking of is them asking that the BMS team remove "Source" from the mod name so that there's no confusion with the releases of CS:S and DoD:S -- i.e. official products of the time.
(And, please, don't try to spin this as me being an "entitled gamer".
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Angry Fork
Member
Because it's for one of the best games ever made, it's cool and would be fun to see what they change/upgrade. Same reasons people might want FF7 remake, Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil 2 etc.
DJ Crimson
Banned
You seem to be missing the entire point and their history behind the actions which you seemed to ignore. But go ahead, keep going on how your the only reasonable one and everybody else is entitled.
I don't know if I'd go that far - but I'd swap "respect" for "benefit of the doubt" at this stage. As far as development process goes, mod or professional, this has been a complete pair of clown shoes and an object lesson on how not to do things.
Angry Fork
Member
You're not listing anything. You act like this was a team hired by Valve, given a deadline and 30 million dollars etc. It was a few guys that thought it would be cool to remake HL1, probably realized they were in way over their heads but decided to keep going despite people leaving/losing interest, the lack of time, the actual lives they have to juggle, not getting paid for it etc. and so on.
It's really incredible how anyone can shit on these guys for trying their best to get this game out there and because it wasn't done quick enough or they didn't say enough about it people are acting like entitled douchebags, like the devs are the worst people in the world and telling everyone not to bother nobody cares etc. absolute vitriol left and right.
That depends on the project, but I don't think they deserve the faith to completely obscure their development process and try to imitate Capcom in marketing because they think their project is that important, especially with the mod already failing to release when they said it would. This has nothing to do with anyone's right to play the mod, by the way.
That what the team is doing, given the source material, implies a certain level of visual leniency:
The keyword in my post (that is, the one you've quoted) is "seem", so if I've misinterpreted your intent, I apologise.
DJ Crimson
Banned
I have no reason to list anything since you're going straight to the entitlement argument. It's like debating with someone in elementary school. Probably the worst trend the last couple of months ago. Also just because it's free and their putting their own time into it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be held any less accountable for their childish actions.
Angry Fork
Member
WHAT ACTIONS. I'm waiting for them so I can debate them and give arguments against/in favor of it but you keep saying no I'm not going to bother because huff puff pilkington whinging.
DJ Crimson
Banned
What's the point? You'll just downplay them to support your entitlement argument like you already did before. Also good job, you noticed I have a Pilkington avatar. You must be very proud of yourself to mention that. Sounds like something a kid would say to attack someone's character.
Para bailar La Bomba
Banned
How about their pork barreling tactics which won them mod awards without a mod?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
....Half-Life 3?
Let's see.
Great games.
Owners and creator of one of the best DD platform for PC games.
Largely responsible for the survival of the PC "genre".
They already have, the Portal 2 update was a pretty big one for Source, and I'm sure Source's next iteration will be another jump.
mysocksarepink
Banned
wow
it looks fucking complete, as those images are taken from the beginning of the game towards the end of the middle..
what the fuck are they doing? trading pictures for likes?
I guess if the game is close to release it's a good way to get people hyped up after 8 years of disappointment ..
it looks fucking complete, as those images are taken from the beginning of the game towards the end of the middle..
what the fuck are they doing? trading pictures for likes?
I guess if the game is close to release it's a good way to get people hyped up after 8 years of disappointment ..
Dion Blaster
Member
I wish Half-Life 1 could come to Mac on Steam so I can stop caring about this mod already.
I really don't want to play the console port.
I really don't want to play the console port.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Black Mesa can eat my bankrupt...
If you really want to play it, shouldn't Half-Life: Source run on Mac? It's a really bad concept (basically HL2 ragdolls and water in HL1 graphics which looks like shit combined) but it's HL1 in gameplay and experience.
mysocksarepink
Banned
Dion Blaster
Member
Nope on the Steam store it's only for Windows, no idea why. And honestly from what I've seen I'd rather just play the original. I'm sure there's ways to make it run but I'd love for it to just be in my Steam Library ready to go.
Haha I can live without it, hopefully this mod comes out soon. Sigh
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