I'd argue that only one thread for blizzard vaporware would do.
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Blizzard Cancels Next-Gen MMO Titan
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I'd argue that only one thread for blizzard vaporware would do.
KernelPanic
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It's also a no brainer that pretty much every big MMO since WoW has flopped or at least been a disappointment.
And there's still the third chapter of the StarCraft II trilogy, Legacy of the Void.
We'll probably see at least one more expansion pack before that's even a consideration.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
"Wow-level graphics" aren't even a thing. Compare beta/launch models and environments to more recent stuff. They don't even look like the same game.
RoS launched four months ago. We wont hear about the next expansion until Blizzcon 2015.
Well, that sucks. I'd love to hear what it was going to be, though.
I don't know about that. Most of the new ones that pop up are F2P, so I guess it's probably just the "fall" of the traditional MMO? With subs and everything.
I don't know about that. Most of the new ones that pop up are F2P, so I guess it's probably just the "fall" of the traditional MMO? With subs and everything.
notworksafe
Member
Nah, they don't have any financial obligation at all. Hearthstone proved that smaller budget games are probably the future of Blizzard. Stuff like that and Heroes are the more likely future.
Not to mention what is going to happen when they eventually make WoW F2P. That's gonna inject plenty more cash into Blizz.
Yes please!!
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Hardly. They are doing just fine.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Not that I was looking forward to it (not a WoW fan), but I'm REALLY curious what they had planned for this. I find it amazing that Blizzard of all people couldn't bring it together, but maybe it was a fundamentally flawed concept (whatever the concept was). Hopefully some development/concept/info stuff leaks out eventually.
That's crazy, how was it!
JimmyRustler
Member
Wow, must have been a great waste of money for Blizz.
My god, I feel gutted. Feels like I've been eagerly anticipating any news of this game for years now, praying for the slightest hint on what it is, what IP, hell anything. Every year at blizzcon thinking maybe this is the year where they tease us and give us something. Bah. Always holding out hope that it would be something incredible. Man, what a disaster. All that time and nothing to show for it.
Also, ugh at their emphasis in the future on being smaller games ala Hearthstone and Hots. I mean, obviously, it appears to be a sound business move as those don't seem to have huge teams or costs, but are racking in the profits. Its just that those are not the games that made me a huge Blizzard fan, as I've always loved their huge, massive games that are big in scope and production. What a shame.
Also, ugh at their emphasis in the future on being smaller games ala Hearthstone and Hots. I mean, obviously, it appears to be a sound business move as those don't seem to have huge teams or costs, but are racking in the profits. Its just that those are not the games that made me a huge Blizzard fan, as I've always loved their huge, massive games that are big in scope and production. What a shame.
TharpDaddy
Member
WoW2 will likely never happen. What would be the point? They've been upgrading the WoW engine over time, they have a massive amount of content in the game, and people are invested in it. What would WoW2 let them do that WoW can't already do? Better graphics? The game has been getting graphics updates over time and some of it's success is due to how much it can scale. If anything WoW2 would just do damage since it would split the playerbase, and WoW2 wouldn't have the massive backlog of content that WoW has.
It's a shame Titan got canned. The MMO landscape is such a weird place now that i'm not sure they ever know where to go with a new MMO. World of Warcraft took ideas from other games and polished them, but what games do they have to look at now? WoW is THE mmo. They've shaped the MMO landscape. Maybe one Everquest Next comes out they'll get some ideas and consider doing another MMO, but I think they know that, as it stands, lightning won't strike twice.
It's a shame Titan got canned. The MMO landscape is such a weird place now that i'm not sure they ever know where to go with a new MMO. World of Warcraft took ideas from other games and polished them, but what games do they have to look at now? WoW is THE mmo. They've shaped the MMO landscape. Maybe one Everquest Next comes out they'll get some ideas and consider doing another MMO, but I think they know that, as it stands, lightning won't strike twice.
Plenty of post-WoW MMOs have been met with some level of financial success, but the landscape of online games in general is so different now. It might be that Blizzard couldn't make Titan fit into that new paradigm.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Blizzard can afford to waste shitloads of money given all the subscription cash that flowed in over the last 10 years. That being said, I have a sneaky suspicion some games released over the last year or two really stole their lunch in terms of whatever concept game they were going to release with Titan. But in a way this also saved them from releasing a game that may have only been met with lackluster response.
I'm not confident Blizzard will ever release another classic like the original Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo games. But they definitely know how to make sales (HEARTHSTONE) and how to improve a product post launch (see: Diablo 3). I'd expect about that level of quality from them in the near future, whatever product they choose to create.
I'm not confident Blizzard will ever release another classic like the original Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo games. But they definitely know how to make sales (HEARTHSTONE) and how to improve a product post launch (see: Diablo 3). I'd expect about that level of quality from them in the near future, whatever product they choose to create.
I'm not saying they need the cash, I'm saying that with their MMO pedigree and expertise surely they're just leaving money on the table by letting WoW wind down?
WoW won't last forever, it simply won't. ARR and others will continue to take market share from it piece by piece as it ages. No game would be more likely to take the dwindling number of MMO subscribers from WoW than a Blizzard developed WoW sequel. There's still a lot of money there and I don't see how you can turn that down as a publicly traded company.
UnrealEck
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This game had nothing to do with WoW. It was rumoured years ago to be an MMOFPS and confirmed to be a new-IP.
I don't even think it got as specific as "MMOFPS," there were just some vague implications that its basic gameplay would be more action-oriented and its setting would be fairly different from the fantasy fare of WoW.
The cost for developing a WoW sequel would be insane, not to mention the infrastructure cost required for running two MMOs. And what do they get out of it? They already have the most popular MMO out there. If people aren't subscribed to WoW now why would they subscribe to WoW 2? Yeah, you'd get the initial bump of everyone who ever played WoW trying out WoW 2, but why would they stick around?
I'm not so sure. Blizzard is less about the competition, and more about putting out a quality game that they find fun to play.
This was unexpected, I wonder what their life after WoW is going to end up being, and how old am I gonna be when it arrives? Don't get me wrong, I don't consider WoW to exactly be on it's way out, I can easily see another expansion or two after this next one, but at some point they have to move onto to something new right?
SuperSonic1305
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Warcraft 4 please.
Groundwork on Titan was laid no later than 2006, so for some people, this is 8 years of their life with nothing to show for it.
Fun fact, when the first iteration (if I guess that's what we want to call it) was being worked on, the idea was that MMOs were going to be the hotness for quite a while, so the plan was to offer something similar to the SOE StationPass. For some amount of money per month you got access to WoW, Titan, and certain features in SC2 they were going to hold back from non-subscribers.
The market clearly shifted since then, which would be my assumption why Titan was cancelled. That it couldn't be adequately reworked for a post subscription based world while still being any good.
Fun fact, when the first iteration (if I guess that's what we want to call it) was being worked on, the idea was that MMOs were going to be the hotness for quite a while, so the plan was to offer something similar to the SOE StationPass. For some amount of money per month you got access to WoW, Titan, and certain features in SC2 they were going to hold back from non-subscribers.
The market clearly shifted since then, which would be my assumption why Titan was cancelled. That it couldn't be adequately reworked for a post subscription based world while still being any good.
I'm surprised there's people who want a WoW2.
SargerusBR
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Warcraft 4 will never happen as long WoW is active
UnrealEck
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He's talking about a non-subscription based WoW.
If WoW went f2p it would see a rapid surge in players again, once again taking people away from other MMOs. In the short-term, Warlords of Draenor is looking promising for bringing new and old players into the game because of the improvements to its presentation as well as bringing things that long-term players will appreciate.
Again, they freed up those resources last year. We went from a 100+ person team in Fall 2012 to 70% of those people being reassigned to other projects in May 2013. The question changed from "How amazing will Titan be?" to "Will Titan re-materialize," and now we know the answer.
notworksafe
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No it won't last forever. But right now it still has the most subscribers of any MMO by far. It still brings in $1B a year. That game easily has many more years and many more expansions left in it as a subscription MMO, and even more than that as an F2P MMO.
But the MMO landscape is different now than it was 10 years ago. There will never be another WoW. Blizzard knows that. Even they cannot repeat what they did a decade ago.
That's why I see them going more towards small budget games, especially with how well Hearthstone is doing and how much money it's bringing in. It's easier to put a risk on a smaller title than a blockbuster MMO. The trend of "spend more to make more" just isn't working as well now as it did a decade ago.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Can confirm. The last time I played WoW was in 2006, and I came back to it just recently. It's a whole new game.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
It would certainly be an interesting experiment, at least.