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Blizzard: Valve shouldn't trademark DOTA
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TheKingsCrown
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_cCsFU6pakDoctorWho said:
Here's the song that enshrined the DOTA monikor into memory in lieu of Defence of the Ancients.
jakonovski
Member
The judge should just give a big middle finger to both companies and rule that the trademark has become genericized. That'd learn 'em!
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Gabe Newell was at BlizzCon. Someone snapped a photo of him playing Blizzard DOTA.
http://kotaku.com/5672493/valve-checking-out-blizzard
Since Valve probably didn't go along with want they wanted, Blizzard at this point this is airing out their grievances about the situation to the press in order to gain favor with the community. They can use the dota community support as leverage in future negotiations with Valve if they ever threaten them after gaining the trademark.
Gabe Newell was at BlizzCon. Someone snapped a photo of him playing Blizzard DOTA.
http://kotaku.com/5672493/valve-checking-out-blizzard
I think the big takeaway from the picture is that Gabe was at BlizzCon. Which means that Rob Pardo probably has already talked to Valve (Gabe) about the trademark situation and DOTA 2 in general.raphier said:
Since Valve probably didn't go along with want they wanted, Blizzard at this point this is airing out their grievances about the situation to the press in order to gain favor with the community. They can use the dota community support as leverage in future negotiations with Valve if they ever threaten them after gaining the trademark.
jakonovski
Member
Painraze said:
They don't have to, without Valve's effort DotA is de facto restricted to Blizzard products, and I'd like to see a small company try and refer to their game as DotA.
I'm conflicted about how I feel about this DotA mess... I can see Blizzard's point but the problem is DotA's gameplay is ment for something greater than just a WC3 mod. Monday Night Combat immediately comes to mind. And a company like Valve gobbling up the "dota" name and putting the full force of Steam behind it should help propel the series and the genre to greater heights.
As someone said before, Blizz shoulda put a ring on it. They knew for years how important this game was. Hell I was saying years ago Blizzard should make a dota-style battleground for WoW. To me, they've completely ignored it until someone like Valve took an interest in it. Now, all of a sudden, they are huge dota fans.
As someone said before, Blizz shoulda put a ring on it. They knew for years how important this game was. Hell I was saying years ago Blizzard should make a dota-style battleground for WoW. To me, they've completely ignored it until someone like Valve took an interest in it. Now, all of a sudden, they are huge dota fans.
After given some time between this announcement and when the game finally comes out, I think we can all agree that trademark disputes between companies concerning naming is kind of irrelevant, and we can all be happy that the original DotA creators are doing what they want to do, Valve and Icefrog are coming out with their own new version of the game, and Blizzard has their version, and the original DotA still exists. Big whoop what they're called? We all get a bunch of great games for little to no cost, everyone is employed, and it's roses and candy canes for all.
The Lamonster
Member
Are there any screens of Blizzard DOTA gameplay? Thanks
The only thing I truly hate about League of Legends is that goddamn rune book. It is a great concept, but there is to much grinding required. To buy a full set of tier 3 runes (9 of each rune and 3 of each quint) you need 368,100 IP. Assuming you get ~100 IP per win that is over 3600 matches you have to play to buy everything. Another thing that bugs me is that people with more/better runes will have an advantage in game than those without, assuming everything else to be equal.
http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/map-editor-panel-blizzard-dota/
The Lamonster said:
http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/map-editor-panel-blizzard-dota/
The Lamonster
Member
Thanks! I am pumped. The decision between BDOTA and VDOTA is easy. One is free to me and the other is notArchie said:
Archie said:
To be fair, it is completely unnecessary to buy EVERY rune. Usually only some of magic pen/armor pen/cdr/ dodge/(mp5/level)/health is enough. Its still a couple of hundred games for all the runes you'll ever need, but its far 3600 games solely for runes.
I only used magic pen/(hp/level)/cdr/flat health for a very long time, and it worked great.
The Lamonster
Member
eh, I'm actually fine with Warcraft III DOTA, why go and buy something that I already get for free and am about to get totally updated in StarCraft II.Lyphen said:
Should be tough to balance 100 heroes...Archie said:
GregLombardi
Member
If Blizzard was going to reveal Blizzard DOTA, they should have showed a gameplay trailer in addition to having changed its name from DOTA to Defense of the Ancients.
They feel like they're behind the curve, but I'll reserve judgment until I see a video.
They feel like they're behind the curve, but I'll reserve judgment until I see a video.
The Lamonster
Member
Blizzard has always had bad PR timing, IMO. They announce games way too early, yet they don't trademark DOTA or show it off until months after SCII's release.GregLombardi said:
And Blizzard DOTA is nothing new or reactionary. Before SCII's release, Blizz said they were working on a new DOTA that would ship with the game at launch.
GregLombardi
Member
Nah, I'm happy to have yet another company bringing a DOTA clone to market, its just there should be more to the announcement than "We're working on it, you can play Kerrigan!".The Lamonster said:
That's not how you announce it haha. I will, of course, play it. But they need to get it out before Valve DOTA or they're going to get steamrolled!
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Rubius said:
what? who the hell bought wc3 for DOTA? no one knew about that shit it was one of MANY AOS maps that were popular when it went all stars like it is now, you kidding me? Dota was big yeah but thats AFTER it outlasted Tides of Blood, Rebirth Of The Guardians, and many other AOS maps. First of all the big games on custom maps were mauls, arena hero maps and tower defense games. Then games like Dota, ToB, Enfos, Swat/resident evil etc etc survival games, open rpg's like CoT, diablo 2 and Legends really came out. That was years ago though, and blizzard fully dumped the engine for modding years ago so that creators could have more control , that was still years after the actual game released. SC2 has been around for what 4 months? '
Could see your point if it were the same WC3 engine, its not, same battle.net...nope its not, things evolve over time, no one expected sc2 to have the same explosion of maps in such an amt of time wc3 customs was one of the largest mod communities *good or bad* in the gaming world , with or without dota. At one point dota dominated BECAUSE all the other games like it were just done and it was the only one left, at one point ToB had just as many games up as Dota.
The Lamonster
Member
For some reason this post made me sad that Burbenog TD didn't become as popular as DOTA. I think it has just as much depth and I play that wayyyy more on WCIII than DOTA.DonasaurusRex said:
I bought WC3 for dota. A friend of mine showed it to me and he used CM's old wisp glitch. Which was pretty funny, and I liked what i saw of the gameplay so I picked it up eventually for myself.
I remember playing ladder games just so I could get into TDA the easy way.
I remember playing ladder games just so I could get into TDA the easy way.
FieryBalrog
Member
Archie said:
No, you can't.
JWong said:
You can't creep stack, you can't creep pull, you can't buy tps (no sorry Teleport doesn't count, too dependent on situation), and using summoner skills =/= juking (I was actually baiting you to say this to show you that you really are ignorant). Watch pros use hatchet to juke, that's a real juke. Using Flash to go up cliffs and Ghost to run fast is not a juke, unless you consider phase booting and blinking away jukes. If so I have reason to believe your overall knowledge of the game is low. Learn your terms.
Not the best but here are some simple jukes that simply can not be done in LoL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZnXqhIMU-U
darkpaladinmfc
Member
You get what you pay for.The Lamonster said:Thanks! I am pumped. The decision between BDOTA and VDOTA is easy. One is free to me and the other is not
webrunner said:
Drawing the fire of neutral mobs just before their spawn location is due to refresh, thus creating multiple camps of neutral mobs for quick gold/exp acquisition at a later time.
Drawing the fire of neutral mobs so they follow you into your own allied mobs, causing the friendlies to rush to your defense and thus temporarily depriving your opponent of a new waves of exp/gold opportunities.
A consumable item with a 2-3 seconds channeled cast time that transports you to any friendly structure.
The removal of a tree in order to take advantage of fog of war mechanics where the area immediately surrounding trees is blacked out unless you have a unit/ward/ability there capable of providing vision.
Taking advantage of fog of war mechanics to avoid assault in order to escape pursuit or to stall for time when assistance might arrive.
L2P n00b
Juking is the use and abuse of terrain, fog and vision to escape a situation in which you would normally die. Generally it involves getting creative with trees and a hatchet/tangos. Using Pharaoh's mummy wall or Magebane's blink to assist in an escape isn't juking, that's just running away. Generally the term juking is applied to the former scenario as it is independent of hero abilities and is available to every and any hero to do, and generally requires some finesse, experience and guile to pull off properly - hence, juking.
I probably have a much deeper understanding of the going-ons behind this than everyone here, but obviously I can't share it all because a good bit involves company/industry secrets (those of you in HoN community should be well aware of what I'm talking about).
I've been a member of TDA (IceFrog was our chief) for a good half decade. I don't know Pendragon/Steve Mescon very well, but we did talk on a few occasions, and I've sat in on a lot of Vent chats. He owns the "Defense of the Ancients" name to a degree (he has a LLC or something with that name, I believe)--which is why Valve is specifically trademarking DOTA and not Defense of the Ancients. But now that Valve is trying to claim the acronym, I think we can all see where the problem comes in. Before IceFrog went with his whole personal initiative, Pendragon WAS the community of DotA. He put up the forums, the web site, and all that mess. If DotA at that point was a game company, IceFrog would be the designer, and Pendragon would have been everything else, from HR to the investment crew. A lot of DotA fans, especially after Pendragon and IceFrog's unamicable split, seem to have forgotten the extent to which Pendragon effectively WAS the community. DotA itself right now, if you break the content down, is probably around 60% Guinsoo/Eul/others with the rest being IceFrogs--and a good portion of IceFrog's content is modified from Guinsoo.
Remember with Pendragon and Guinsoo working at Riot Games--AND with Pendragon already holding the Defense of the Ancients name to a degree--they had full power to name their game DOTA but chose specifically not to. With LOL a complete success, they continue to have zero incentive to use the DOTA name. I know a lot of current and former TDA members, and they agree that this whole name fiasco is getting out of hand, and the name should not belong to anyone but the community. That's what I believe as well.
I've been a member of TDA (IceFrog was our chief) for a good half decade. I don't know Pendragon/Steve Mescon very well, but we did talk on a few occasions, and I've sat in on a lot of Vent chats. He owns the "Defense of the Ancients" name to a degree (he has a LLC or something with that name, I believe)--which is why Valve is specifically trademarking DOTA and not Defense of the Ancients. But now that Valve is trying to claim the acronym, I think we can all see where the problem comes in. Before IceFrog went with his whole personal initiative, Pendragon WAS the community of DotA. He put up the forums, the web site, and all that mess. If DotA at that point was a game company, IceFrog would be the designer, and Pendragon would have been everything else, from HR to the investment crew. A lot of DotA fans, especially after Pendragon and IceFrog's unamicable split, seem to have forgotten the extent to which Pendragon effectively WAS the community. DotA itself right now, if you break the content down, is probably around 60% Guinsoo/Eul/others with the rest being IceFrogs--and a good portion of IceFrog's content is modified from Guinsoo.
Remember with Pendragon and Guinsoo working at Riot Games--AND with Pendragon already holding the Defense of the Ancients name to a degree--they had full power to name their game DOTA but chose specifically not to. With LOL a complete success, they continue to have zero incentive to use the DOTA name. I know a lot of current and former TDA members, and they agree that this whole name fiasco is getting out of hand, and the name should not belong to anyone but the community. That's what I believe as well.