I actually agree. At certain points in areas, it feels like, don't judge me here, 60fps. it's crazy.
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Borderlands 2 Vita |OT| 870 gajillion guns in your pockets
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I actually agree. At certain points in areas, it feels like, don't judge me here, 60fps. it's crazy.
Play on Vita 2000 for like 6 hours straight, then immediately switch the card to the 1000. That's basically what I did since I hadn't played it on the Vita 1000 before and just wanted to see it on the OLED. What I never expected was for the framerate and controls to feel smoother on the 1000 than the 2000. And after playing on the 2000 and getting used to the wonky controls and stuttering framerates in fights, it was a breath of fresh air to be getting a slightly smoother performance.
Can others do this test as well? (obviously I'm not saying play it for 6 hours on the 2000 first, but do a play session on the 2000, then power down and switch your card to the 1000 and try again. I'm curious if others see the same difference that I do.
I'm really questioning whether to sell my 1000 now...
I don't know about all that, but it definitely feels closer to maintaining 30fps on the 1000 than the 2000.
feint_ruled
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Not that I particularly agree with him, but an example of a portable game being as good or better than its console brother is Killzone Mercenary. So I guess his argument is, what's the point of straight ports if they have to be cut down? Better to do a whole different game, a Borderlands actually tailored for the Vita.
I'll be buying this though, as frankly with the Vita in its current state this is as good as we are going to get in the portable blockbuster category.
The 1000 and 2000 have the same hardware inside other than the screen, right? I don't know, maybe you're seeing the difference in response time between OLED and LCD.
I only have a 1000, so I can't compare, but I've really enjoyed the 4 hours or so I've spent with the game so far. The lower framerate compared to PS3 (the only other version of Borderlands 2 I've played) is noticeable, but it hasn't bothered me much.
I only have a 1000, so I can't compare, but I've really enjoyed the 4 hours or so I've spent with the game so far. The lower framerate compared to PS3 (the only other version of Borderlands 2 I've played) is noticeable, but it hasn't bothered me much.
You can hand port jobs off to smaller studios while brand new content can't simply be contracted out as easily. AAA games are too expensive to create brand new content tailor made for a small userbase. If that's his expectations going forward, then there's going to be a lot of disappointment in his reviews. It would be too expensive for Gearbox to make a completely new experience for the Vita in the same form as Borderlands.
Here's IGN's review. Similar gripe's to Jim's review.
SwiftDeath
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ZeroMaverick
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This one bummed me out
What a garbage review. You can not like the game but this reads like a 5th grader wrote it.
Comparing it to these games which are radically different is ridiculous.
LithiumSpade
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Kotaku's Review
Same old story. Reviewers doing exactly what I think we all predicted they would, and that's a bit sad.
Same old story. Reviewers doing exactly what I think we all predicted they would, and that's a bit sad.
poopninjamvc3mk
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Kinda shit rushed review it seems tbh. Also what's wrong with his reartouchpad
"Aside from being painfully awkward to reach, the rear panel just flat out doesnt work half of the time."
Mines is responsive literally 100% of the time.
UberTag
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If they're so predictable and just going to parrot one another, why do we need game reviewers at all? Surely some automated script could do a similar job and render all of these people unemployed so they can earn a living doing something more productive. Like podcasting.
Shame that BL2 being panned by the media will scare consumers away from one hell of a great hardware upgrade. The new Vita is really something special.
Shame that BL2 being panned by the media will scare consumers away from one hell of a great hardware upgrade. The new Vita is really something special.
Sony's own fault calling the Vita "console gaming on the go".
nhlducks35
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After playing the game on the Vita for 10 hours or so, I have to agree with the reviewers on this one.
I've put as much time in the game and I agree with most of the points brought up as well but it's all about context. No shit the game is better on console and PC, I don't think anyone with half a brain was expecting that. But for a game as big as Borderlands 2 to be on a handheld that I use on the bus and waiting in class it is supremely impressive. Coupled with the upcoming cross-save functionality this version is going to help me get max level characters for all the classes.
ZeroMaverick
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I really don't know if I should buy it now.
Hip Hop
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If anything, over on the BUY/SELL thread people have been selling BL2 codes for $20-$30.
If you can get it closer to $20, I'd say it's a good price.
Cheese Sandwich
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Reception has been pretty damn poor for this game. Still won't prevent me from buying it tomorrow though.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/05/12/borderlands-2-vita-review
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/05/12/borderlands-2-vita-review
poopninjamvc3mk
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A bunch of us here on gaf, on reddit, and on youtube are enjoying it. That's all I can really say tbh. You can take that dive or stay safe. I feel like I got my $30 worth.
So, then, by your reasoning, every classic N64 game should've been critically panned b/c they didn't have the same level of graphics as the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park? I mean, that was how Nintendo was touting their early hardware, so Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time deserve to be judged accordingly, right?
Shame I didn't get my request in fast enough to get a a copy for review. I've never played it before, so I'll be approaching it from a different perspective. I literally have no expectations other than "what I've heard".
ZeroMaverick
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That's what's keeping me on board with buying it. I'm gonna do it. If for some reason I can't stand it, I'll just sell it.
I would love to hear from the perspective of someone new to Borderlands.
LithiumSpade
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This is actually a brilliant comparison.
I still haven't got the Vita version (i'm in the UK) but i've been watching bits of a guy playing through the whole game on youtube on my Vita to get a feel for it, and it looks great. I've got over 5 days worth of play on just one character on 360, and I can't wait to move it over to Vita and take it on the go.
XANDER CAGE
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The reviews feel warranted to me, to be honest. I bought the bundle and this port was my first experience on my Vita and nearly made me regret buying it, until I plopped in P4G and Killzone.
That isn't anything close to "by his reasoning" in the slightest.
That isn't anything close to "by his reasoning" in the slightest.
poopninjamvc3mk
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Damn if BL2 almost made you regret Vita, I'm glad you didn't play The Amazing Spider-man port.
I didn't really like the first game very much, though that might have something to do with the fact that it felt like... Everything in the game is solved just by shooting it. Kinda the same problem I had with Diablo III, and why I didn't play it beyond the demo. I like skill options... So that's why I figured Borderlands isn't really my type of game. And yet, I'm tempted to buy the retail release of this tomorrow, and give it a try. The impressions from people on here, and the user reviews I've seen posted elsewhere, have all been really impressed with the quality of a port to the handheld, concessions aside.
So, for all the reviews from the big sites shitting all over it... I read through their reviews, and I found them lacking. Overly critical in an unfair comparison. Yes, it has some technical flaws, but the circumstances it presents are still fantastic for what it is. Every time someone compares a non-indie game's performance to the PC and the Vita, I want to poke them repeatedly on the forehead.
So, for all the reviews from the big sites shitting all over it... I read through their reviews, and I found them lacking. Overly critical in an unfair comparison. Yes, it has some technical flaws, but the circumstances it presents are still fantastic for what it is. Every time someone compares a non-indie game's performance to the PC and the Vita, I want to poke them repeatedly on the forehead.
Got the Shakes
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The comical thing about this is that I watched the embeded video of the game in the Kotaku review and it seems to me like it ran just fine.
The menu did look quite laggy in that video though.
poopninjamvc3mk
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Can't lie menu framerate is wonky. Some times it's smooth other times it seems to have a lower framerate then the actual gameplay.
BlackBanditSho
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Don't be bummed out. I played borderlands on the Xbox 360. Never finished it, but I'm now playing it on Vita and it's currently the most fun I've had on the console. The controls definitely take some getting used to. I've got the old 1001 series, and I'm considering purchasing some type of cheap grip. That said, the drop from 4 players to 2 players is a bummer, and the frame rate, naturally, isn't as good as the consoles. The frame rate issue is actually expected, the drop in co-op was disappointment.
All told, it's a fantastic experience that's a marvel to play on the go. It looks great, seriously, and plays how I remember the X360 version playing. I can actually see taking the time to finish it whereas I didn't on the big consoles, and I'd really encourage you to check it out on your own despite what the reviewers are saying.
There's a serious disconnect between the gaming press and the gamer. We're seeing it now with reviews of Iron Galaxy's, frankly, EXCELLENT port, and Spider's serviceable Bound By Flame.
I really hate deferring to Twitch.tv to form your opinions, but I really suggest checking it out on buddy's system, or just paying someone in the Buy/Sell/Trade thread for the game on the cheap.
Maybe the refresh rate of the OLED screen makes a big difference, but this game looks and plays wonderfully on my Vita 1000.
Got the Shakes
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Yeah the menu certainly did, but the combat and driving around in a vehicle in that clip looked surprisingly solid. I do realize that it's only a 6 minute clip though.
I can't agree with you there. The game looked like it was running around 20FPS most of the time. Just look at the motion of his thumbs to realize how un-smooth the game looks.
twentytwo22
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I really wish these "professional" review sites would get someone who has never played the game before so that it can be judged on it's own merits/issues and not just compared to the PS3/360/PC version of the game.
Still even if you have played it you should be able to see what an impressive feat it was to get this huge game into the vita. No matter how many times you have played the console/pc versions.
I played BL2 on PS3 and im finding it just as exciting the second time around solely due to the fact im playing it on a
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My main disappointments with this port are the framerate drops and audio glitches.
I'd be interested in seeing a Digital Foundry article on this game as it runs nowhere near the "28-33 fps" as advertised. Hopefully a patch can address this and all the bugs but I'm not holding my breath.
Ah well, the game is fun either way. I'm not regretting my purchase at all.
I'd be interested in seeing a Digital Foundry article on this game as it runs nowhere near the "28-33 fps" as advertised. Hopefully a patch can address this and all the bugs but I'm not holding my breath.
Ah well, the game is fun either way. I'm not regretting my purchase at all.
I just bought it yesterday. It's fun but... my god is that framerate atrocious.
poopninjamvc3mk
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Slightly off topic but you know it's crazy how MGS3D got a lot of good reviews but the framerate and controls(if you didn't have a CCP at least) were waaay worse than BL2vita port. Game was inferior to the original PS2 release in every way possible except crouch walking and tps aiming. Different reviewers, years, and games but still.
ZeroMaverick
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Yes. I remember this exactly. I ended up selling the game because it didnt even run as well as the ps2 version
There is a media bias against ports on the vita, games that aren't ports usually do well
TheBryanJZX90
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You should talk to all the people that say only fans of a specific genre or series should review a game. Have a little pow wow.
PAULINK
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That's harsh, I have played the pc version on max settings at a cool 60 fps but am buying this for the novelty. Hopefully it being portable will be justified.
Ollie Pooch
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I think the lesson here is to treat reviews as just another persons opinion - not to say they have no validity, the points on framerate hitches are bang on and it has some performance issues (none deal breaking IMO).
I have thought at some points 'surely they could have reduced some texture detail or complexity here to lift the frame rate' - puzzling that it wasn't done in more (any?) places to ensure it is smoother - but as a hugely addicting game with tons and tons of content that I can suspend and resume at will, it's unbeatable and frankly kind of amazing. perhaps too ambitious but the fact it's released at all with the current state of the Vita is pretty sweet.
The comment about the game performing at it's best like your character is underwater is just straight up trolling bullshit, though. And touchpad controls work right for me 100% of the time. I haven't had a single issue in that regard.
It's a shame that these reviews are doing their best to sway people from picking this up but I'm having an absolute blast - your mileage may vary, of course.
Disclaimer - while I do notice frame rates I'll happily play something like Marvel Heroes on my surface pro with stuttering frame rates in the high teens so clearly, these things don't really turn me off games
Also - why is there so often an assumption in reviews and on here that everyone owns a capable gaming PC? As if the option between playing a game then playing it at 60fps on some monster rig is always there.
I have thought at some points 'surely they could have reduced some texture detail or complexity here to lift the frame rate' - puzzling that it wasn't done in more (any?) places to ensure it is smoother - but as a hugely addicting game with tons and tons of content that I can suspend and resume at will, it's unbeatable and frankly kind of amazing. perhaps too ambitious but the fact it's released at all with the current state of the Vita is pretty sweet.
The comment about the game performing at it's best like your character is underwater is just straight up trolling bullshit, though. And touchpad controls work right for me 100% of the time. I haven't had a single issue in that regard.
It's a shame that these reviews are doing their best to sway people from picking this up but I'm having an absolute blast - your mileage may vary, of course.
Disclaimer - while I do notice frame rates I'll happily play something like Marvel Heroes on my surface pro with stuttering frame rates in the high teens so clearly, these things don't really turn me off games
Also - why is there so often an assumption in reviews and on here that everyone owns a capable gaming PC? As if the option between playing a game then playing it at 60fps on some monster rig is always there.
shacklesmcgee
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I can't stand the comparisons to Killzone Mercenary. KZM was made specifically for vita, every sound, texture, physics calculation, the game is made to run on nothing else. Look at the minimum specs for BL2 on PC, that's what Gearbox believed would run the game acceptably. Iron Galaxy are gods, if you ask me.
pokeystaples
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I'm really torn on this one. I just bought sportsfriends and have Wolfenstein later in the month. Is it worth the full price of admission with all the performance issues?
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
Borderlands 2 for the pc is pretty well optimized, my laptop gpu is capable of playing the game at 1080p 60fps pretty easily. It's not a gaming laptop either.
So, exactly like the PS3 version then.
I think the contrast is funny between user reviews and critic reviews:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-vita/borderlands-2