Professor Beef
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God dammit, G-Fex is like a clone of me that is taller and better at children's card games.G-Fex said:
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Devolution
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cloudwalking said:
Yeah same. Although being darker isn't a -.
ZephyrFate
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The fuck are you talking about? How is Max a "fairytale"? He's a down-to-earth dude who likes drinking beer, watching football games, being a douche, et. al., and just so happens to like guys. He also, unlike Blaine WHATSOEVER, has very strong flaws.Emonga said:
Blaine is DEFINITELY the fantasy here, because men like Max DO exist. Hell, the character is based off the main creator's friend.
ZephyrFate
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He is literally the 'perfect gay man'. He can sing, he has good fashion sense, he's hot as fuck, he's caring, sensitive, has no flaws, and is willing to deal with all of Kurt's issues without so much as a whiff of contradiction.btkadams said:
The fact that he's a character with no flaws while simultaneously being gay makes him a gay man's fantasy.
He's better off in a soap opera.
Professor Beef
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Did you compare yourself with my photos in the "post pics of yourself" thread?G-Fex said:
ZephyrFate
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he's a beefy hispanic guyTheSeks said:
Professor Beef
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418911&page=61TheSeks said:
Right near the top of the page.
Professor Beef
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I will piledrive you.TheSeks said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29099466&postcount=2940
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29099954&postcount=2996
Professor Beef
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In SF State, yeah.TheSeks said:
Professor Beef said:
Yeah. Sems us white guys are like a bigfoot spotting at tournaments for fighting games. But shootan games? We're there in droves. :lol
Meanwhile: You should take pictures of _Isaac and send them to me. :3 Covertly, of course.
Professor Beef
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Does he go to SF State? Either way, I live in Sacramento now, so it's not like I'm gonna have a chance to just sneak up and go "SEKS SEZ HI" *snap*TheSeks said:
Professor Beef
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Alcoori said:
FallingEdge
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Nothing wrong with a pink shirt. Go for it.
Chuck (Old)
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Light pink? Sure. For both polos and business shirts. No pink graphic tees (hell, no graphic tees at all) and no popped collars. Try to stay away from darker shades of pink/salmon.
Edit: This is what I have in mind: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCat...t_Id=1111202&Parent_Id=670&default_color=Pink
Classy and comfortable.
Edit: This is what I have in mind: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCat...t_Id=1111202&Parent_Id=670&default_color=Pink
Classy and comfortable.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Damn, really? I've got a semi-dark pink polo that I like to wear casually.Chuck said:
Chuck (Old)
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I'm not judging, just not my style. Pink pink (in your face pink) is what I meant to avoid. I try not to go pinker than that pic I posted, personally.The_Technomancer said:
So how does "Boy-Age" feel about the ubiquity of words like bitch, slut, whore, etc. in internet discussions, particularly on NeoGAF? I recently compiled some data on use of the word "bitch" specifically in the Girl/Dating-Age thread, counting both unique instances and cumulative instances (which includes quoting of the word). I counted every use of the word, from its general pejorative sense ("bitch" = unruly woman), to more modern uses, such as "bitch" = weak, complacent man or "bitch" as a verb, e.g. "Quit bitching about such and such." I was essentially looking for frequency of use in that thread, which I expected, given not only the content of the thread but also its collective male authorship, to be likely higher than average use.
These are the statistics I came up with, using 100 pages per post format:
I also grabbed some quotations I thought were particularly revealing about the use of the word "bitch" (which became cumbersome after a while, because there were so many). These reflect not the variation in use of "bitch" (which we can always discuss), but what I think is the normative, pejorative use of the word:
(Just want to point out that -PXG- is actually the OP of the thread).
(Three instances in one post)
And I could go on and on. Now, I think there's a time and a place to use the word "bitch," but I'm curious to how you all feel about it. It seems like in these instance it's just getting thrown around, and I find it belies a lack of respect for women as much as it does an emotional immaturity on the speaker's behalf. People may defend these uses by claiming that a woman's behavior can constitute a certain labeling, but the instances I cite can't be approached with that kind of framework. I think they represent a broader, anti-feminist current of thought that you will find throughout contemporary, especially internet discourse.
What do you think this kind of language suggests about people (men in particular, though we have to consider that women use the word at least as much as men)? What does it inform us about the dating world or male-female social relations? What does it mean that "bitch" can be used so nonchalantly and in so many ways?
These are the statistics I came up with, using 100 pages per post format:
239 unique instances of "bitch"
387 cumulative instances of "bitch"
Average of 3 instances per page
Total of 29 pages with no instance of "bitch," approximately 22% of page total, giving 78% which contain at least one instance
Greatest number of instances on a page was 18
387 cumulative instances of "bitch"
Average of 3 instances per page
Total of 29 pages with no instance of "bitch," approximately 22% of page total, giving 78% which contain at least one instance
Greatest number of instances on a page was 18
I also grabbed some quotations I thought were particularly revealing about the use of the word "bitch" (which became cumbersome after a while, because there were so many). These reflect not the variation in use of "bitch" (which we can always discuss), but what I think is the normative, pejorative use of the word:
bdizzle said:
-PXG- said:
(Just want to point out that -PXG- is actually the OP of the thread).
DualShadow said:
dr3upmushroom said:
-PXG- said:
Solideliquid said:
bdizzle said:
(Three instances in one post)
Aesius said:
And I could go on and on. Now, I think there's a time and a place to use the word "bitch," but I'm curious to how you all feel about it. It seems like in these instance it's just getting thrown around, and I find it belies a lack of respect for women as much as it does an emotional immaturity on the speaker's behalf. People may defend these uses by claiming that a woman's behavior can constitute a certain labeling, but the instances I cite can't be approached with that kind of framework. I think they represent a broader, anti-feminist current of thought that you will find throughout contemporary, especially internet discourse.
What do you think this kind of language suggests about people (men in particular, though we have to consider that women use the word at least as much as men)? What does it inform us about the dating world or male-female social relations? What does it mean that "bitch" can be used so nonchalantly and in so many ways?
AceBandage
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Bitching is alright for the most part.
Calling someone a bitch, however, is pretty stupid.
I try to avoid calling people overly derogative (screw you auto spell check, it's a word!) words period, regardless of sex, and some words are just completely taboo.
Calling someone a bitch, however, is pretty stupid.
I try to avoid calling people overly derogative (screw you auto spell check, it's a word!) words period, regardless of sex, and some words are just completely taboo.
Devolution
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Calling someone a pussy actually annoys me more. Or talking about the modern male as a "pussification" of previous generations.
vordhosbn said:
Pretty rich coming from the guy who posted this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434336
And I don't think "dick" has near enough the power or range of use that "bitch" has. When's the last time someone casually referred to a man as a "dick" the same way "bitch" can be used categorically to refer to all women?
Devolution said:
What do you think about "bitch" being used to signify a weak man, since that's a kind of similar application? (I guess the difference is that "bitch" doesn't refer to female genitals)
Devolution
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SolKane said:
That's annoying too. But I've given up most pretenses of caring out loud much anymore since it nets a person more grief.
What's that supposed to prove? Most people who read that thread agreed with the OP. This has nothing to do with your bitching about inane things.SolKane said:
If you look at mainstream media 'bitch' is becoming more acceptable to use. Even guys are called 'bitches' both in daily life and on GAF. On the other hand how many women do you know that are subjected to being called a 'dick' or 'pig'?
If there's a uniquely gendered slur it definitely isn't 'bitch'. Find something real to complain about.
vordhosbn said:
It's not a complaint post, it's a discussion post. I wanted to encourage discussion and see how people felt. I expected a lot of resistance since most people can't think critically about their language use, particularly related to social meanings.
I think you have misinterpreted my post about how bitch is used. Consider the following example pair:
"Women love money."
"Bitches [women] love money."
"Men love money."
"Dicks [men] love money."
Which would be more appropriately considered synonymous usages, i.e., which pejoratives could be inferred as referring to categorical genders? The answer is obvious, the first pair, since we see this use all the time. The difference is that "dick" refers only to a kind of behavior, not some intrinsic quality in males the way "bitch" does in females. And you said it yourself that "bitch" is used more often and in more contexts than "dick." That's correct, but you have made an incorrect conclusion, which is because it can be used for both men and women it does not suggest anti-feminist thinking. But we also have to look at other derogatory words that refer to women - "cunt," and "pussy" for instance. These words can also be applied to men, the same thing as "bitch." Now why is these words can be applied to men, but words exclusive to men are rarely applied toward women? This is where we need to be critical; you write "bitch" is not a uniquely gendered slur, which, if you read my post, you would see that I never said or implied such. The reason we see this kind of double use for these words, is the sexist implication that for a man to be called a woman it is an insult, but in the other way around there is no harm. This is clearly a sexist mode of thinking, which paints that which we regard as "feminine" as inherently weaker, while whatever is "masculine" is stronger, albeit degraded by associations with the feminine. That's why calling a woman a "dick" will never have the prevalance of calling a man a "pussy," because there's no force or power behind it.
The Technomancer
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Huh? I would disagree, I hear "so and so is being a dick" or "way to be a dick man" all the time. Its the new jerk, in my experience.SolKane said:
The_Technomancer said:
Those are not categorical uses, those are descriptions of specific behavior. See above. If I used "dick" generally you could not infer I was referring to some subset of men other than those who "act like dicks." If I use "bitch" generally you can infer I am referring to some subset of women including or greater than those who "act like bitches."
If I told you I have a date with "some bitch" could you reasonably infer I'm going on a date with a woman who engages in bitchy (i.e. negative) behavior, as well as that I'm going on a date with some woman, who may or may not be of the same character? I would argue both would be understandable, depending on context.
Now if I said the same about "some dick" could you infer that I mean some man in general, or a specific kind of man who engages in dickish (i.e. negative) behavior? I would argue it means only the latter. But bear in mind this does not preclude calling a woman a dick - the larger point is that categorical use (i.e. grouping behavior based on one trait, in this instance, being a woman) is only ever used for "bitch."
Edit: Better yet, look at my original post, and substitute "dick" for every instance of "bitch" and see how much sense that makes.
VS
See any difference?
There are some parallels, too, between how "bitch" is used as a pejorative and how "faggot" is used as a pejorative. Since Boy-Age also represents our gay male Gafers as well as straight females, there is avenue for that kind of discussion as well. For instance we see that "faggot" is used as an insult to demean men, the same way "bitch" is used, to suggest something feminine or weak about their character. Obviously "faggot" is not tolerated on these boards the way "bitch" is, and they are varied in their uses in several other ways, but I'm mostly raising this point to counter the earlier assumption that "variance in use" somehow suggests a benignity in the word's meaning.
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