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Brad Sams: Bonnie Ross left 343 due to management reshuffle, Halo Infinites season 3 delay was the final straw
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CuteFaceJay
Member
Left? LOL MS were tired of it.
The Pleasure
Member
343 is the shitty version of 989 studios. Prove me wrong.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Hey bud, you should tweet this Bradley Samms and tell him he’s full of shit!
Majima Everywhere System
Member
The only reasonable way you get 2 maps in a year: the team must have refused to work for certain individuals.
Stare-Bear
Banned
Phil Spencer allowed this to happen. He needs to go.
01011001
Banned
well according to some 343 employees there was one higher up in the studio (forgot his name) that constantly lied about the state and progress of the game to management at Microsoft.
the Studio is simply a hot mess
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Insiders.. insiders everywhere.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
To the surprise of absolutely no one. They couldn't fire her because the optics would've looked bad, so giving her an out apparently on her own terms (why she planned to depart in November) was the answer. If something came up health-wise with a family member, incidentally gave her a means to accelerate the departure tho not on the best of terms (no one wants a family member in a troubled state of health).
I don't think there's much they can do to regain former glory with Halo Infinite, but they can salvage what they have, build back up some much needed goodwill with the fanbase, and move into a brand new Halo a few years from now. Maybe that will be the one that finally does right by the legacy of the IP, but the seeds that can blossom into such a thing need to start being planted now. Reorganizing the upper management of the studio is an important step on that path.
I don't think there's much they can do to regain former glory with Halo Infinite, but they can salvage what they have, build back up some much needed goodwill with the fanbase, and move into a brand new Halo a few years from now. Maybe that will be the one that finally does right by the legacy of the IP, but the seeds that can blossom into such a thing need to start being planted now. Reorganizing the upper management of the studio is an important step on that path.
ByWatterson
Member
What everyone assumed.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
No. It was scheduled for she to leave in November but some family matter expedited the process.
That is the truth. No speculation, no nothing, staph.
EDIT: and by the way if you say otherwise, you will get banned for such insensitive comments.
That is the truth. No speculation, no nothing, staph.
EDIT: and by the way if you say otherwise, you will get banned for such insensitive comments.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah but Brad Sams is an actual insider who was the only accurate source for the consoles back when they were Lockhart and gigachad (forgot the X code name). Thurrott were the top source.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah but Brad is given inside track to a lot of MS stuff even though he has been wrong at times
Little Chicken
Member
Fair enough, she was a senior member of Xbox so I'm not surprised she was given so many chances in the first place. Probably earned enough money to retire now.
AtomicStarving
Member
I really don't blame Bonnie Ross for any of this crap.
LordBlodgett
Member
But seriously, it should have happened sooner. She somehow survived the MCC fiasco, the delay of Halo Infinite, and then when Infinite released it was missing so many features. Her last possible chance had to have been to get those features and map into shape quickly. The crazy thing is that Halo Infinite launched pretty well, I know I was enjoying it a lot in the beginning, it just needed way more multiplayer maps. If you put out an update with a new map and new features every 3 months or so you can keep this thing booming. Instead they just let all of that release goodwill go down the drain by making their seasons insanely long and barely releasing anything during the season. 343i has been run like total shit for at least five years and somehow the leader of the whole thing was able to skate by......
Banjo64
cumsessed
Brad Sams Xbox next gen info as of 2018
https://www.thurrott.com/games/1953...conda-anthem-danta-lockhart-maverick-and-roma
https://www.thurrott.com/games/1953...conda-anthem-danta-lockhart-maverick-and-roma
Gambit2483
Member
I do. As leader she should have seen they were not up to the task of pulling off a live service and asked for a secondary post launch content team to assist them....but she didn't
mansoor1980
Gold Member
reshuffle?
AtomicStarving
Member
She does not work alone there. Do you know the meaning of "team". This thing about "leader" means shit in game development tbh.
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Codes 208
Member
He was the guy replaced by Joe Staten
Topher
Gold Member
The team follows the leader's direction
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
It's amazing that anyone actually bought that horseshit excuse for her leaving.
killatopak
Member
It means a lot in game development actually.
Do well and most of the credit is yours. Do bad and all the blame is yours.
You have your Miyamoto, Todd Howards, Hideki Kamiya, Niel Druckmann etc take the praise and the fall.
01011001
Banned
I am kinda sorry for him to now be responsible for cleaning up this shitfest
anthony2690
Banned
She said she hoped to stay till the winter update... (It sounded like she knew there was a reshuffle happening)
It just sounded like she left earlier than planned due to a family emergency... (What is unfortunate)
I don't think there is any deciet, what I'm sure many will allude too.
It just sounded like she left earlier than planned due to a family emergency... (What is unfortunate)
I don't think there is any deciet, what I'm sure many will allude too.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I give her plenty of blame, but I blame Matt Booty and Phil Spencer more. The first party studio problems go far beyond 343.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I wonder how many billions "empowering women in the workspace" has cost big tech companies thus far?
I mean if they are good then fair enough. But anything other than a meritocracy is going to be a -EV play. It's inevitable.
I mean if they are good then fair enough. But anything other than a meritocracy is going to be a -EV play. It's inevitable.
Daytonabot
Banned
Druckmann has no business being in that group.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Plenty of men in leadership roles at Xbox who are equally culpable in this mess. Not about gender, incompetence just shouldn’t be tolerated.
Gambit2483
Member
A leader's job is to both assume credit and blame for a team's achievements and/or failures.
Yes there were others but as a competent leader you don't sit around waiting for others to speak up or act
DaleinCalgary
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Dee Dah Dave
Member
Bonnie Ross is / was in charge of Halo was she not?
Ultimately the buck stops with her. You can’t blame Spencer or Booty, they had given her the responsibility and it’s on her and her team to deliver. The only blame any superiors should have is for diversity hiring when millions, if not billions are at stake.
Banjo64
cumsessed
She had to go. Phil should have done it after MCC launched - that’s all I mean. Infinite could have been avoided if Phil was more decisive earlier.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yes, fair enough. But going all in on “we are empowering women”, then pulling the plug on them at the first fault is not a good look either.
As we now see, hiring to fill gender quotas or whatever instead of merit can get very messy. And that is probably why they have not acted sooner because it’s a woman they made a big fuss about when putting her in a top job at Xbox.
VAVA Mk2
Member
Chris Lee. He was the Project Lead before they brought in Staten.
March Climber
Member
Genuine theoretical question: Let's say you're the team leader and you're being asked to pull off a live service model in addition to a full sized open campaign. Over the course of development you're realizing it isn't feasible for the window of time you're given(either due to staff size or development time) and you go to your publisher to let them know, but you are then told 'No, they have to be done and released on this date, that's final. Also, fix up the graphics again too.' What is the optimal path in this situation?
