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BusinessInsider.com: Microsoft's Xbox is beating the PlayStation 5 this holiday season for 3 key reasons

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ManaByte

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I've just opened the window but I still can't hear the cacophony of wailing from kids who have had to cope with the trauma of opening a Series S this morning.

This thread had built my hopes up, damn you naysayers!
Lets Go Yes GIF by IFHT Films
 

Boy bawang

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We really need to define this 'experience' people are talking about. The XSS has the exact same feature set as the XSX. Not one person can name a missing feature. Also what was this 'promise'? I've said numerous times no hardware manufacturer can 'promise' that games on their platforms will all have the same graphical features. They can only 'promise' that every system will come with an SSD/CPU/GPU or support a feature, not that that feature will be used by a developer. You are free to not want an XSS, seems plenty of other people like the system just fine, but there appears to be an imaginary 'promise' MS hasn't met and that seems pretty silly.

Same games at a lower resolution was the promise. Same games with a lower resolution, often a worse frame rate, lower quality effects, and lower quality ray tracing (or no ray tracing) is what we got. We each have cursor for those things. Mine was a little bit too high, eventually. I may buy a XSX if cheap, or even an XSS if there's a breakthrough in upscaling methods.
 

DaGwaphics

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We really need to define this 'experience' people are talking about. The XSS has the exact same feature set as the XSX. Not one person can name a missing feature. Also what was this 'promise'? I've said numerous times no hardware manufacturer can 'promise' that games on their platforms will all have the same graphical features. They can only 'promise' that every system will come with an SSD/CPU/GPU or support a feature, not that that feature will be used by a developer. You are free to not want an XSS, seems plenty of other people like the system just fine, but there appears to be an imaginary 'promise' MS hasn't met and that seems pretty silly.

It's obvious that the "experience" they were talking about was the game itself, not every little slider that makes up the graphics settings internally. Anyone pretending to be confused by that is just trolling at this point.
 

DarkMage619

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Same games at a lower resolution was the promise. Same games with a lower resolution, often a worse frame rate, lower quality effects, and lower quality ray tracing (or no ray tracing) is what we got. We each have cursor for those things. Mine was a little bit too high, eventually. I may buy a XSX if cheap, or even an XSS if there's a breakthrough in upscaling methods.
Nope the same 'experience' was promised and hardware wise, the thing MS actually has control over, the XSS meets the same feature set as the XSX. MS never promised all games on the XSS would have raytracing or be at a particular resolution or use every graphical feature available on the console. If you think a game needed more features you'd have to take that up with the developer of that game. There are games on PC that have graphical features missing on console. You blaming the manufacturers of the systems for that too? Just because you created a standard no system could meet is not on MS.

It's obvious that the "experience" they were talking about was the game itself, not every little slider that makes up the graphics settings internally. Anyone pretending to be confused by that is just trolling at this point.
I agree and I'd go a step further. Features like FPS boost and Quick Resume are absolutely part of the experience playing games on a Series console. Both the XSS and XSX have the same feature set. It was never confusing.
 

DavidGzz

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If my Walmart is any indication, the S should be KILLING it in sales compared to XSX and PS5. They had so many S consoles that the whole display was packed full and they were gone the next time I checked compared to seeing zero XSX and PS5s. If this was reproduced in all Walmarts, that's nuts. Maybe XSX and PS5 are always online only?
 

DarkMage619

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If it doesn't have the same graphical effects or running at the same framerate, it is not the same experience. Just like Halo isn't the same experience on a series console as on xbone.
I disagree. If it has the same levels, characters, and gameplay its the same experience. No company would ever dictate every game will run a particular way on their hardware. The XSS was designed to run games on a lower specced GPU. To expect the same performance seems to be a issue only people who are intentionally being obtuse are having. The systems have the same features, what developers do with those features is on them not MS.
 

Panajev2001a

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This keeps happening. People that actually have the console seem to like it. People who don't make up stuff and post false 'concerns'. Always consider the source when reading comments on the system.
Lots of people that got gifted a PS3 back when it was losing multiplatform wars were happy. People that got gifted a Game Gear were happy (I certainly was ;)). I bet people that got gifted a Jaguar or a Wonderswan or Saturn were happy too… so?
 
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LMJ

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My nephew reacted the same way when he unwrapped his Series S today.

Morgan Freeman Reaction GIF by MOODMAN
awesome and charming vid BTW

Casual gamers and kids simply don't care about the res/FPS etc, they simply want to play Infinite, Horizion, HB2 etc

It's the people on this forum AKA the niche market that see the faults (myself included) and would rather wait for the X or Xs/Xpro etc
 

Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
If it doesn't have the same graphical effects or running at the same framerate, it is not the same experience. Just like Halo isn't the same experience on a series console as on xbone.

That would make all the games that got 60fps patches on PS5 like God Of War, Days Gone etc not the "same experience" on PS4 anymore.
Good to know for all the people who enjoy those games on last gen consoles still.
 

Bernd Lauert

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If it doesn't have the same graphical effects or running at the same framerate, it is not the same experience. Just like Halo isn't the same experience on a series console as on xbone.
The only thing that bothers me is a lack of 60 fps. So far, the only example I know of where Series S can't do 60 fps but XSX can is GOTG, and that's likely due to shitty optimization.
 

kingfey

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If it doesn't have the same graphical effects or running at the same framerate, it is not the same experience. Just like Halo isn't the same experience on a series console as on xbone.
That is if everyone was fan of graphic.

If the gameplay is the same, then there is no difference. And that is what matters the most.

As of now, only few gamers experience rtx reflexes. And even that, they really don't care, since they are busy shooting enemies.
 
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yurinka

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What is the big PlayStation holiday game?
Looking at recent sales rankings I see FIFA (and Madden in USA), CoD, Battlefield, GTA, Far Cry 6, Guardians of the Galaxy, Deathloop, Kena, TLOU2. If you mean a game published by Sony or big exclusives during holiday, in recent years they avoided to release games during Q4 and left it to 3rd parties, multis and indies.

They publish their big exclusives in the other quarters, filling other spots of the year with less 3rd party releases. This year in addition to Returnal, Ratchet, Destruction All Star, Death Stranding DC, Ghost of Tsushima DC, Deathloop, FFVIIR DLC, Kena or Guilty Gear Strive they also had planned Horizon 2, GT7 or GoW Ragnarok, but as happened with tons of other games from basically all publishers, were delayed to the next year due to covid.
 
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DavidGzz

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If it doesn't have the same graphical effects or running at the same framerate, it is not the same experience. Just like Halo isn't the same experience on a series console as on xbone.

Whatever man, I played Dark Souls on the 360 lmao. It was still an amazing experience. People will play the new Horizon on a PS4 and will have just as much fun as PS5 owners. Not the same experience.. . Give me a break, any way for you all to try to get a pathetic dig at the Series S.

Would you consider it the same experience when experiencing heavy pop-in and lows of 500p resolution?


Same goes for you. Was the Last of Us 1 not the same experience on the PS3 as it was on the PS4?
 

Calverz

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I can’t believe the legs this thread has. Are people arguing with the original piece? I mean if all consoles were available readily ps5 would be top selling. But this isn’t the measure of success for Microsoft.
Sony chasing 150million players.
Microsoft chasing 2 billion players
 
That is if everyone was fan of graphic.

If the gameplay is the same, then there is no difference. And that is what matters the most.

As of now, only few gamers experience rtx reflexes. And even that, they really don't care, since they are busy shooting enemies.
It feel some people just watch the games instead of playing them. Who stops mid combat to check if all the pixels are high quality when the gameplay is fun and engaging.
 
And thank god Xbox is finally winning because when there is only one person in a market/challenge etc and there is no one to compete they get lazy or they push stupid things and you just have to accept it because no one else offer an alternative. Now Xbox is strong and PlayStation has to compete to be the best and that is really the best period for us the gamers but not for the warriors, sadly for them.
 

Rykan

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Whatever man, I played Dark Souls on the 360 lmao. It was still an amazing experience. People will play the new Horizon on a PS4 and will have just as much fun as PS5 owners. Not the same experience.. . Give me a break, any way for you all to try to get a pathetic dig at the Series S.




Same goes for you. Was the Last of Us 1 not the same experience on the PS3 as it was on the PS4?
Both Dark Souls Remastered and TLOU remastered play vastly better on PS4 than they do on previous gen hardware. This is just another attempt of clowns trying to pretend that framerate doesn't matter.

Just because you still enjoyed the games at suboptimal framerates doesn't mean that increasing it to 60 isn't a substantial upgrade. It is such a big upgrade that Microsoft goes out of its way to enhance last gen games to run at increased framerates.

For you … most not forum/ message board posters .. won’t mind.

Okay so why are these people buying a Series S console in the first place? Every single game is cross gen and available on last gen. If they don't care about graphics and framerates, why are they buying these consoles now?
 
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DarkMage619

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Lots of people that got gifted a PS3 back when it was losing multiplatform wars were happy. People that got gifted a Game Gear were happy (I certainly was ;)). I bet people that got gifted a Jaguar or a Wonderswan or Saturn were happy too… so?
You might not know this but not everyone who has an XSS was gifted the console. Normal gamers who want a good value seem to enjoy it too. If it running all current generation games with fewer graphical effects but at a significant discount is 'losing' you might need to check your value system. It's predominantly people who don't own it that are trash talking.
 
Some of the highest rated games came from MS this year. The XSS did not prevent their creation. The XSS will be a major vector into the Xbox ecosystem those additional customers will support the games of the future. I'm glad MS made the XSS. More options are good for gamers.
LOL, I'm referring to the limitations put on developers...Series S holds back PS5 and Series X and PC...
 

DavidGzz

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Both Dark Souls Remastered and TLOU remastered play vastly better on PS4 than they do on previous gen hardware. This is just another attempt of clowns trying to pretend that framerate doesn't matter.

Just because you still enjoyed the games at suboptimal framerates doesn't mean that increasing it to 60 isn't a substantial upgrade. It is such a big upgrade that Microsoft goes out of its way to enhance last gen games to run at increased framerates.

60 and 120 are both suboptimal as well. Are people experiencing the same game at 60 as PC gamers at 240? I think so. I do prefer 60 to 30 but comparing different generations and the difference between the S and the X is pure hyperbole as is claiming that the same game is VASTLY better because it plays more smoothly. Plain and simple.

I wonder if PC forums have people dissing on 2080ti graphic card buyers since the 3090 exists. This is the same type of shit.
 
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Kagey K

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GroLooking at recent sales rankings I see FIFA (and Madden in USA), CoD, Battlefield, GTA, Far Cry 6, Guardians of the Galaxy, Deathloop, Kena, TLOU2. If you mean a game published by Sony or big exclusives during holiday, in recent years they avoided to release games during Q4 and left it to 3rd parties, multis and indies.

They publish their big exclusives in the other quarters, filling other spots of the year with less 3rd party releases. This year in addition to Returnal, Ratchet, Destruction All Star, Death Stranding DC, Ghost of Tsushima DC, Deathloop, FFVIIR DLC, Kena or Guilty Gear Strive they also had planned Horizon 2, GT7 or GoW Ragnarok, but as happened with tons of other games from basically all publishers, were delayed to the next year due to covid.
When you try to list war and realize it sucks but click post anyway ....

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Kagey K

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My nephew reacted the same way when he unwrapped his Series S today.
Look at all that disappointment, I'm surprised they haven't called Social Services on these parents for child abuse.

Can't wait for all the bearded man babies pitching a fit because they got the wrong system videos on twitter, because the actual kids seem really happy.
 
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Kagey K

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If it had a bigger drive or even a Disc drive for my OG XBox/360 collection i would buy one today.
You can buy any external SSD for bc/non enhanced games and because of the way the i/o works they are equally as fast as putting them in the internal.

Save the internal for Enhanced games that require it and use any old SSD for the bc games that don't

It amazes me how many ppl don't realize this works.
 
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