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California State University Offers Community For Black Issues
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Yeah digging a little deeper, this isn't something new
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-housing-cal-state-la--20160906-snap-story.html
Aztechnology
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That may be so, but outside their emphasis on the use of "Microagressions" seems to just be a report.
Who is being racist here when the Black Student Union is the one asking for it?
Probably also turning in his grave from all the times he's used as a Pokemon to chastise black people by white people.
TheLostBigBoss
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insane.
schools should be forcing integration in their housing system, not allowing students to decide if they want to segregate themselves.
schools should be forcing integration in their housing system, not allowing students to decide if they want to segregate themselves.
It really is 1984, isn't it?
Raiden1018
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Their other demands regarding better training for faculty and a stronger anti-discrimination policy seem solid without knowing particulars. But this just seems like it's going to be self-defeating. Racial animosity doesn't disappear when you separate people, it just allows it to be unchallenged.
Hispanic! At the Disco
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Looking more into it, its also supposed to be for affordable student housing for those living in normally more expensive surrounding areas who cant afford a living space, but also still created by the Black Student Union as Black only dorms.
Aztechnology
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Yeah but some people don't want to be challenging social ills 24/7
I don't see how this could possibly go wrong. People need time to decompress.
Well now someone is going to post that one MLK Jr. photo/quote
Well now someone is going to post that one MLK Jr. photo/quote
archangelmorph
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Yeah like, on the face of it "Boo hoo! Segregation is bad!"
But if I were a Cali State University student from a minority background, which would I prefer:
1. Spending my entire college career dealing with what appears to be an obvious cultural problem with racism, having to be demoralized and demotivated by my ethnic majority peers, and trying to fight the ever losing battle of trying to "win" against the racism of the society.
or
2. Settle in a safer, more constructive, more inclusive, more conducive environment, where I'm encouraged and promoted to do well, so I can focus on getting a decent education.
Hell, I know what option I'd choose. every. single. time.
But if I were a Cali State University student from a minority background, which would I prefer:
1. Spending my entire college career dealing with what appears to be an obvious cultural problem with racism, having to be demoralized and demotivated by my ethnic majority peers, and trying to fight the ever losing battle of trying to "win" against the racism of the society.
or
2. Settle in a safer, more constructive, more inclusive, more conducive environment, where I'm encouraged and promoted to do well, so I can focus on getting a decent education.
Hell, I know what option I'd choose. every. single. time.
I don't think this is a good idea. The color of a person's skin or their heritage shouldn't be a grounds for segregation. Segregating groups can have utility, for instance, gender based segregation for housing or handicap friendly communities, but I don't see any benefit in allowing segregation to occur based off of skin color when there isn't any functional difference between people of different skin types/colors.
Mammoth Jones
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I mean it wasn't official policy but I definitely remember two floors of the dorm at my school ended up being all Black due to friends requesting to room together and some folks requesting different dorm rooms.
Edit: TIL Washington Times is a right wing rag.
Edit: TIL Washington Times is a right wing rag.
So it's just a theme for the house and anyone can live there? Or does that only apply to UC Berkely?
I disagree with that. I had a roommate who apparently never saw a black person before me( I know it sounds dumb). Over the many issues that we had, the RA and housing manager never seemed to want to handle them and ignored my complaints. Which essentially turned into us ignoring each other's existence even though we were 3 feet apart
There was no remedying the situation. That's in a fantasy world
Also there are no HBCUs where I live and plus the school I went to was a better college than those
Now for example I'm not saying that I don't want white roommates. I've had those and some of them were great. But I don't think it's a good idea to force together people who have no desire to be around you. If some white students want to live in the "black dorms" go for it. But I feel that forcing together people that may be a bit racist isn't helpful
Yeah this is what would cause MLK to turn in his grave... not the continued systemic racism and inequality.🙄
I wonder when people will stop using MLK as the model negro to chastise black people for things they don't like.
Part of the point of college is interacting with people from a plethora of backgrounds. To realize people are people, wherever they come from or might look like.
Segregated housing, even voluntary, only harms that. It reinforces an idea of "us vs. them".
Being born black in America already reinforces "us vs them", and it is not the black people doing it
Sounds like the same reason for segregated gender classes. Where do you draw the line?
This is basically victim blaming and mixing up cause and effect pretty badly.
No way. Most attending here are from a minority background.
Plus, why deny yourself of meeting different people?
You know, unless they want you to come over to their booth or whathaveyou.
So obviously the only solution is to make things even worse...
djplaeskool
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There's a part of me that understands the concept, but this feels a step too far.
From personal experience, being a black student dropped in the middle of an overwhelmingly white college campus can be very psychologically isolating. Depending on the student, that can be crippling factor in their education.
On the flip side, that's just the world we live in, and there came a point in time where I realized there are so many people there that were like me, despite being unlike me.
In the end, I feel the onus is on the student to pull others closer to them and create their own circles. For me, that was one of the end goals of the college experience.
From personal experience, being a black student dropped in the middle of an overwhelmingly white college campus can be very psychologically isolating. Depending on the student, that can be crippling factor in their education.
On the flip side, that's just the world we live in, and there came a point in time where I realized there are so many people there that were like me, despite being unlike me.
In the end, I feel the onus is on the student to pull others closer to them and create their own circles. For me, that was one of the end goals of the college experience.
Who is it worse for? Is this hurting black people?
Everyone.
therealist
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So people in here are so liberal that they are defending segregation. I'd never thought I would see the day.
Coffee Dog
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It could be argued that the people asking for this change see that the world is giving them an "us vs. them" situation and are simply responding to that.
ElBoxyBrown
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I'm all for safe spaces but this doesn't seem like a logical solution. It doesn't really solve anything.
GameAddict411
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This doesn't help with anything, in fact it makes things worse since it cuts off social interactions. The should have never listen to student unions.
lightskintwin
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What's crazy is when I went to college, the amount of Blacks that came from predominantly Black areas and high schools, and the amount of Whites that came from predominantly White areas and high schools who had never had a friend of each other's race; actually were forced to meet and became friends as a result due to integrated dorm rooms and being roommates each other.
archangelmorph
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No racism reinforces the idea of "us vs them" much more effectively. Unfortunately they have plenty of time over the course of their careers to experience that unfiltered...
I don't need to pay US tuition fees to learn how to interact with people from other ethnic backgrounds. I can get a job at burger king in the city for that.
University is 1st and foremost about getting the best education you can get, and since ethnic minorities have it harder than their majority peers by default, I'd be focusing on making sure they preserve what hope they have at trying to succeed over anything else, if I were a student there or a parent of one.
As long as this doesn't bleed into group work and class makeup I don't think it will have that negative of an effect. During your career you will have to deal with the microaggressions and racially insensitive remarks, but it shouldn't be something you have to endure in your own home. In times before social media, maybe racist would change their mind upon meeting and living with minorities, but with the echo chamber of support from social media and thinking they have all the evidence they need to back up their stereotypes from clips on the internet I don't think that is likely anymore.
acheron_xl
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It's segregation when it's done to you. It's separatism when you're doing it yourself.
Some people here are so scared of the word segregation they can't look at the specific context of the situation at hand.
See, it's easy to make patronizing inaccurate blanket statements.
soundscream
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I am so happy I went to college 15 years ago. Trigger words, safe spaces.....good god.
Now when I was at school I was often paired with a white roommate who had never really interacted with a black person. There were plenty of stupid questions and assumptions, but I hoped at the end of the year they learned something and had a better idea about black people beyond how popular media portrays us.
Now when I was at school I was often paired with a white roommate who had never really interacted with a black person. There were plenty of stupid questions and assumptions, but I hoped at the end of the year they learned something and had a better idea about black people beyond how popular media portrays us.
How is this making it worse for black people?
archangelmorph
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No way. Most attending here are from a minority background.
Plus, why deny yourself of meeting different people?
You know, unless they want you to come over to their booth or whathaveyou.
Why does living in separate campuses negate the opportunity to meet different people? You don't think the city is big enough for them to encounter and interact with other social groups?
Also I'm assuming this isn't segregation of classes or lectures either so I don't see the problem.
This isn't much different to living at home and going to college.
Cesare Borgia
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I'm suspicious of the source. But if true yikes.
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