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[Manmademan]

Are there characters in any fiction that could stand up to a top tier comic book character?

not without getting really silly, no.

The stuff the beyonders pulled in "time runs out" is pretty difficult to top.

 

[T'Zariah]

Are there characters in any fiction that could stand up to a top tier comic book character?

The Downstreamers, are pretty much the only ones I can think of, but then again, Steven Baxter knows less about science than even comic book writers soooooo

 

[Manmademan]

Best force field in the game, sorry Sue

I would argue that this guy

is probably on his level. though he doesn't have quite the feats or number of showings to prove it.

This is a great time to drop this little gem in the thread.

Magneto and Graviton: Who would win in a fight? By Frank Heile, PhD in Physics, Stanford.

I have to put a vote in for Graviton. Assuming the laws of physics still apply to the world of Magneto and Graviton, then Magneto has to still respect Maxwell's equations, and Graviton has to respect the equations of general relativity.

Therefore, we have to assume that Magneto can create electrical charges and magnetic monopole charges of any magnitude in space and can also create currents of these charges. This would allow him to manipulate the source terms of Maxwell's equations, and that will enable him to create any electrical and magnetic field consistent with Maxwell's equations. On the other hand, the source of gravity is the 10-component stress-energy tensor, so we will assume Graviton can create any configuration of the components of that tensor in space time to manipulate the resulting gravitational field. The most interesting components of this tensor are the mass-energy density (T00) and the pressure (T11, T22, T33).

To allow them to have any superpowers, we will assume that Magneto can violate the conservation laws for charges and currents and that Graviton can violate the conservation laws for mass/energy and pressure. If they did not have this ability, they would be greatly limited in what they could do.

One thing in Graviton's favor is that all mass and energy are subject to the laws of gravitation, whereas only charged or magnetizable objects can be affected by the electromagnetic force. An example of that difference is that on cosmic distance scales electromagnetic fields have practically no effect at all. However, gravitation has, until recently (i.e., 5 billion years ago) been slowing down the expansion of the entire universe since the Big Bang, and now the gravitational effect of dark energy has accelerated that expansion of the universe—this accelerated expansion is caused by a small constant vacuum energy that permeates space with a negative pressure. Of course, gravity is also responsible for the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets.

Sure, with a strong enough electric field, Magneto can disrupt any object made from ordinary matter by converting it into a plasma of electrons and nuclei, thus destroying it. However, Graviton can create a black hole around any object that will also destroy it. In fact, if Graviton creates a black hole around Magneto, it would not only destroy him by taking him out of our universe but also eliminate any ability for him to project his electromagnetic field out of the black hole, since nothing can escape from a black hole. However, a black hole can support a static electric charge, so if Magneto is quick enough, he could create a big enough charge on his body so that the black hole would be charged—and in fact, if the charge is large enough it could prevent the black hole from forming, since for a given mass of black hole there is a maximum charge for a black hole of that mass. In this case, Graviton would just have to increase the mass of the black hole he is trying to create faster than Magneto can increase the charge and a black hole would eventually form. Once it is formed, Magneto would not be able to add any more charge to the black hole, so that would be the end of that.

In terms of moving objects (without destroying them), electrical and magnetic fields can be either attractive or repulsive—however that only applies to objects that already have a static electric charge or are magnetic. On the other hand, Graviton can create a gravitational field that is guaranteed to affect all objects of any kind—including dark matter. Of course, gravity is normally only attractive, but all you have to do is put the attractive gravity on the whichever side of the object toward which you want to object the move.

However, one of the interesting things about the stress energy tensor is that if there is a region of space with negative pressure, gravitation can be repulsive. In fact, that is how dark energy is accelerating the expansion of the universe—it has a big enough negative pressure so that the overall gravitational effect on cosmic scales is repulsive instead of attractive. So, presumably, Graviton can manipulate the stress energy tensor to create negative pressure wherever he wants and can cause repulsive gravity.

Another trick that Graviton can do is to create a region that has a negative mass—this is exactly the kind of exotic matter that is needed to stabilize the opening of wormholes that would permit faster than light travel from one region of the universe to another. Magneto would never be able to do that since his electromagnetic fields can only travel at the speed of light by definition.
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This is EASILY the nerdiest thing ever put to print.

 

[Slayven]

I would argue that this guy

is probably on his level. though he doesn't have quite the feats or number of showings to prove it.

This is a great time to drop this little gem in the thread.

Magneto and Graviton: Who would win in a fight? By Frank Heile, PhD in Physics, Stanford.



This is EASILY the nerdiest thing ever put to print.

You never seen the site that argues the legal issues of superheroes?

 

[T'Zariah]

You never seen the site that argues the legal issues of superheroes?

http://lawandthemultiverse.com

This?

 

[Manmademan]

http://lawandthemultiverse.com

This?

oh this is just AWFUL

 

[crimsonspider89]

Now give us Hickman SW Doom vs Kaguya from Naruto.

Want all the salt.

 

[Slayven]

I want to talk the Flash with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michio Kaku

 

[ThankYouDaletech]

http://lawandthemultiverse.com

This?

Not content with ruining real life, lawyers turn their fun sucking gaze to comics.

 

[Manmademan]

The Downstreamers, are pretty much the only ones I can think of, but then again, Steven Baxter knows less about science than even comic book writers soooooo

took a bit to look them up.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/what-technological-civilization-can-defeat-the-downstreamers.155834/

they would get smoked by beyonders, easily.

 

[T'Zariah]

I want to talk the Flash with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michio Kaku

Well, supposedly,

Spoiler

Tyson is in Batman vs Superman

To what extent his role is, if any, is unknown.

 

[The Silver]

Now give us Hickman SW Doom vs Kaguya from Naruto.

Want all the salt.

wut Kaguya is planetery level at her absolute best, SW Doom is nearly full blown omnipotent old testament G-O-D level here.

 

[Coriolanus]

Are there characters in any fiction that could stand up to a top tier comic book character?

should have at least one.

 

[Manmademan]

should have at least one.

That dude had to cheat to win a wrestling match with Jacob. He'd be taken to the cleaners by street level scrubs like USAgent

 

[kewlmyc]

I hope they keep doing Comic Book/Western Hero vs Anime character and having the anime characters keep losing. The salt is hilarious.

 

[zeemumu]

By quite a bit.

Even if you were to limit the PC to "just" what surfer can do, as opposed to what Galactus does with the "full" PC it's not in the same ballpark. Surfer is a goddamned monster.

Again, quantifying what we've seen the force do in movies, television, games etc that are considered canon now- no idea what goes on in the expanded universe. But even there it's tough to see any force user exceeding a pissed off Galactus.

The top skill of force users seems to be the ability to use the force to affect anything anywhere, like Vader strangling someone through a television but on a larger scale.

 

[Slayven]

That dude had to cheat to win a wrestling match with Jacob. He'd be taken to the cleaners by street level scrubs like USAgent

You joke

 

[T'Zariah]

I hope they keep doing Comic Book/Western Hero vs Anime character and having the anime characters keep losing. The salt is hilarious.

These anime fans have obviously never read a comic in their life and going off of pure emotion, rather than logic.

It's the DBZ fanboys the worst. They're confusing their love for the show is superior to the feats of comic book lore.

 

[Manmademan]

The top skill of force users seems to be the ability to use the force to affect anything anywhere, like Vader strangling someone through a television but on a larger scale.

trust me on this. it's nowhere close to what the PC does.

Don't make me turn this into a power cosmic feat thread.

 

[ThankYouDaletech]

should have at least one.

Man I dunno I'm pretty sure there are comic book characters who have done way better jobs creating a sentient species.

 

[The Silver]

I want to talk the Flash with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michio Kaku

they'd look at his list of feats and give you the ol

 

[Coriolanus]

You joke

And now i find myself wanting to see an Eric Hertz vs. John Walker deathmatch.

 

[zeemumu]

trust me on this. it's nowhere close to what the PC does.

Don't make me turn this into a power cosmic feat thread.

I know how powerful the power cosmic is. I don't think there's anyone in the Star Wars universe on that tier since it's all aliens and the Marvel Universe has people who are basically gods.

 

[Vermillion]

You never seen the site that argues the legal issues of superheroes?

Dude, I have the book.

 

[crimsonspider89]

trust me on this. it's nowhere close to what the PC does.

Don't make me turn this into a power cosmic feat thread.

TBH, I don't think the force compares to what the Nova Force can do in competent hands.

 

[Manmademan]

You joke

shit. apparently USAgent is a boss now. Who else sucks....

TBH, I don't think the force compares to what the Nova Force can do in competent hands.

nope. and the nova force is like the budget power cosmic.

 

[Slayven]

trust me on this. it's nowhere close to what the PC does.

Don't make me turn this into a power cosmic feat thread.

Breh, Surfer empowered Beta Ray Bill when odin(90s were a hard time for Asgardians and gods in general) couldn't

 

[ThankYouDaletech]

The top skill of force users seems to be the ability to use the force to affect anything anywhere, like Vader strangling someone through a television but on a larger scale.

Yeah but I think there are Marvel characters who can just like....turn you into a bowl of milk or something by thinking about it a little.

 

[Slayven]

shit. apparently USAgent is a boss now. Who else sucks....

He beats Daredevil in this book, but he had eyes that saw the future from Mephisto.

 

[Dai101]

I would argue that this guy

is probably on his level. though he doesn't have quite the feats or number of showings to prove it.

This is a great time to drop this little gem in the thread.

Magneto and Graviton: Who would win in a fight? By Frank Heile, PhD in Physics, Stanford.



This is EASILY the nerdiest thing ever put to print.

 

[Slayven]

Once saw a dude argue Storm could solo Graviton, he also said Storm would kill Namor with lightening.

 

[The Silver]

TBH, I don't think the force compares to what the Nova Force can do in competent hands.

The strongest thing a force user in Star Wars has ever done was Naga Sadow causing a supernova.

of course he needed a special ship, special force crystals, and prep time to do it.

Other strongest feats are just planetary life wiping. Darth Nihilus can do it instantly, Sidious probably could too but he prefers to do it slowly over time, and the Emperor from SWTOR can do it with prep.(he and Sidious are also able to enslave and break the minds of an entire planet)

 

[Manmademan]

The strongest thing a force user in Star Wars has ever done was Naga Sadow causing a supernova.

of course he needed a special ship, special force crystals, and prep time to do it.

Other strongest feats are just planetary life wiping. Darth Nihilus can do it instantly, Sidious probably could too but he prefers to do it slowly over time, and the Emperor from SWTOR can do it with prep.(he and Sidious are also able to enslave and break the minds of an entire planet)

yeah, heralds (or at least the surfer) have all that within their powersets- no prep time or equipment necessary. Tough to think of something that ISNT within the PC powerset, with the possible exception of raising the dead back to life.

Galactus can pull that one off but I don't think his heralds can.

Once saw a dude argue Storm could solo Graviton, he also said Storm would kill Namor with lightening.

 

[Slayven]

yeah, heralds (or at least the surfer) have all that within their powersets- no prep time or equipment necessary. Tough to think of something that ISNT within the PC powerset, with the possible exception of raising the dead back to life.

Galactus can pull that one off but I don't think his heralds can.

i can see them animating the dead, but not bringing the soul back. Kind of like Kevin Smith's Green Arrow.

 

[Adnor]

Even if Sue isn't as powerful as some other characters in the MU you can't forget something:

 

[Slayven]

Even if Sue isn't as powerful as some other characters in the MU you can't forget something:

WHen was the last timg someone laughed off the Iron Fist?

 

[SixMachine]

yeah, heralds (or at least the surfer) have all that within their powersets- no prep time or equipment necessary. Tough to think of something that ISNT within the PC powerset, with the possible exception of raising the dead back to life.

Galactus can pull that one off but I don't think his heralds can.

Power Cosmic has a hard time growing hair

 

[kswiston]

Once saw a dude argue Storm could solo Graviton, he also said Storm would kill Namor with lightening.

I'm pretty sure I saw the guy you are talking about in action. He thought Storm could take Blackbolt as well.

 

[nicanica]

WHen was the last timg someone laughed off the Iron Fist?

Fuck me.

I need a new avatar

 

[Slayven]

I'm pretty sure I saw the guy you are talking about in action. He thought Storm could take Blackbolt as well.

Rutog?

 

[Boss Doggie]

WHen was the last timg someone laughed off the Iron Fist?

is this a comic from the 90's or early 2000's? Because the art screams of it

 

[B-Dubs]

Power Cosmic has a hard time growing hair

There are some things even the power cosmic cannot do, curing baldness is one.

 

[Ozigizo]

should have at least one.

Turns out, that's already a part of marvel.

 

[Slayven]

is this a comic from the 90's or early 2000's? Because the art screams of it

yeah that looks like the early 2000s

 

[wildfire]

Turns out, that's already a part of marvel.

The Avatar is part of the Marvel Universe? [/pithy]

 

[Slayven]

The Avatar is part of the Marvel Universe? [/pithy]

Scrub like that? Nah

 

[Coriolanus]

Turns out, that's already a part of marvel.

OAA isnt even remotely as huge a dick as old testament YHWH.

Well, aside from that one time where he assumed Kirby's look to tell ben grimm he'd be trapped in stone form forever.

 

[Percy]

Doom would destroy Vader in a second. Probably wouldn't even need to wait for him to start crying to do it, either.