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Capcom Showed the Wrong Version (extra large) of Abigail in the Reveal trailer.
- Thread starter Spaced Harrier
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Basically the base roster should be 4 shotos and Chun? Yeah, no, fuck that.
What?
I'd still agree with Jett that it beats any other fighting game out in terms of actual smooth animations.
crimzonflame
Member
Plus other characters obviously. Im just saying they should be in every SF. Its no coincidence that both SF x T and SFV failed initially cause Sakura wasnt in the starting roster.
Well, they released the game with 16 characters for one reason or another, that's why I asked. It should've probably had more than 16, but even then I wouldn't have wanted it to be those two.
Kind of a boring selection of shotos tbh.
I mean she's popular, but not THAT popular.
Skullgirls has ambitious animations for even things like regular attacks and such, just in terms of fanservice or referencing other games. For eg: Peacock's move where you hold the button and something falls out of the sky. They went as far as animating the whole road roller da sequence for a small gag like that.
There are other examples like Eliza who's body deforms, skin peels off and skeleton pops up for normal attacks, etc. They're ambitious in the sense that they put in tons of amount of work and make grand animations for even vanilla attacks that are not supers or special moves. Compare them to SF animations, which are smooth and realistic, but a punch is a punch. Ryu's not morphing into another character while throwing it like Double is for example.
There's no real guage of smoothness. Animations appear smooth or stuttery. 3S is smooth, SFV is smooth, Skullgirls is smooth. But in 3S if you punch Hugo he deforms during his animations and you can see the exaggerated hit animations. SG is that taken to an extreme. With all else being equal, Skullgirls wins just because of what they're achieving while being as smooth as SFV
kunonabi
Member
His personality is just as dumb as the rest of him though.
Sakura, seriously? That's your pick? Someone who didn't even debut until Alpha 2? Might as well say Dudley should be in every SF.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
No one fucking cares about Sakura that much.
Are you basically saying they should have just included a shitload more characters with no regard for quality? Developers don't have endless resources.
Ah, I see.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Other than the character select screen, SFV Ken looks way better than IV's.
Now look at Guile in each. Someone compare those.
Not in their defaults.
DrBillRiverman
Member
Wh-why Sakura?
I'd agree Ken, Ryu and Chun Li.
Not necessarily Akuma.
Now if you said Dan should be in every game... then we'd be on the same page.
Kaleinc
Banned
I'm judging the animations as a total package and in the context of the gameplay. I think the attacker looks great in Skullgirls because of the game's animations but the way the receiver of the attacks reacts leaves a lot to be desired. For whatever reason, a lot of attacks make the characters look like they have Japan only anime game animation when they get hit.
For comparison, look at some of my favorite hit animations in fighting games period.
Skullgirls characters look like they're no selling when they get hit where Hugo here is putting over whoever is whipping his ass.
Turbanator
Member
I know this is a shitpost, but Ken looks like that meme of the blond bowlcut kid with the beard in SFIV.
*SF's launch roster is full of World Warriors*
"Wow, look at how lazy Capcom is. They just port everything to the new game instead of making actually new stuff. It's like they want this game to bomb."
*Decent/few WWs in SF launch roster*
"Wow, look at how greedy Capcom is. They're just gonna charge you for characters that should've already been in the game. It's like they want this game to bomb."
*Few years of DLC and still no WWs*
"Wow, look at how stupid Capcom is. I'm sitting here with my wallet open waiting for my favorite characters, but they refuse to release them. It's like they want this game to bomb."
Literally no way to win.
Lol
Fuck that. I don't want four fucking shotos to waste roster space in a series with as many great and interesting characters as SF. Especially not all at once. Three should be the absolute max, but even that's arguably too much.
Besides, Akuma's never been in the first version of a SF game. He has something like the Vergil curse, and I almost think it's more fitting to have it like that.
1. ESPN2's broadcast standards are not Capcom's fault.
2. In no sense is that "censoring" anything.
You. I like you.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
The hunger for a 6+ Shotoclone baseline for a SF will never not confuse me.
What? What's your explanation?
There's a lot of characters that were in successful SF games but not in V or SFxT, you know.
Using your argument, I can say SF4 succeeded where V and SFxT failed because it had Seth and El Fuerte.
Turbanator
Member
3S just barely beats SFV aesthetically. SFV animations, color balance, and (imo) stages all outdo 3S. If SFV models were a bit more realistic, then I'd say it looks better.
UrbanDandy
Member
This. It's a no brainer.
crimzonflame
Member
Listen, Sakura at her peak in popularity was a top 4 as a character. So you guys need to back off.
Blackquill
Member
stages are ugly as sin, colors balance is all over the place sometimes it looks like a mess
If people don't like a character design or a music genre or whatever, they'll decide those designs or genres are bad. That doesn't mean their opinion is objective. Opinions are inherently subjective and I never said otherwise here, so anyone's personal opinion on Abigail doesn't invalidate someone else's preference.
Regardless, developers generally design video game characters to appeal as many players as they can, so I'd love for you to show me how you decided Abigail isn't designed for me or anyone else who doesn't like the character.
Acerac
Banned
Sometimes you have to ignore the majority to appease people like myself who like offbeat designs.
It's not a terrible decision to cater to niches on occasion.
What nonsense are you talking about? Skullgirls isn't animated at 60fps. For obvious reasons, SFV (and most 3D fighters) would win terms of pure frames, thanks to animation interpolation. Comparing 2D vs 3D doesn't make much sense either way in this aspect. SFV is smoother by default.
What? What, pray tell, is SFV supposed to be faithful to? What kind of comparison is this?
The animation in Skullgirls is really creative. I guess it's a shame SFV doesn't have characters that turn into half-wolves or have arms in their heads.This is only considering the fighting game and psuedo-fighting game genre. I'm sure there are dozens of amazingly animated games that I can't even think of right now.
Look man, Xrd is a really pretty game, main reason I bought it on Steam was due to the graphics(then I spent five hours playing it and remembered I don't fucking like Guilty Gear).
All that said, I'm always going to prefer how SFV looks in motion. I find the animation in Xrd limited by its strict adherence not just to its anime aesthetics but to previous GGX games as well. Despite being a 2015 3D game, I'm pretty sure 3rd Strike's characters have more frames of animation.
I'm judging the animations as a total package and in the context of the gameplay. I think the attacker looks great in Skullgirls because of the game's animations but the way the receiver of the attacks reacts leaves a lot to be desired. For whatever reason, a lot of attacks make the characters look like they have Japan only anime game animation when they get hit.
For comparison, look at some of my favorite hit animations in fighting games period.
Skullgirls characters look like they're no selling when they get hit where Hugo here is putting over whoever is whipping his ass.
SFV is not up to par with 3S there, but right now I think it's the best in terms of the feeling it provides when you land a hit. Especially when you crush counter someone, it always feels great.
Can never get tired of watching Mika do a Brimstone. The natural flexing of the muscles, almost crumpling under the weight of the opponent, paired with the subtle yet excellent camerawork accentuating it all, it looks outstanding. A heck of a lot of work has gone into this aspect of SFV's presentation, and it always annoys me when it's ignored, disregarded or worse shat upon.
There's plenty of people thinking that the size change is intentional or something.
Maybe someone wants to make a gif of Abigail shrinking after his v-triggers runs out? which shows that there should be an animation for it. There's a link to it in the op:
Here's the bugged version (Abigail does not shrink after his v-trigger runs out):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5zKWGwunVE&t=2m
So, in the non bugged version he starts the fight being a bit smaller, grows a bit when activating v-trigger, and goes back to normal when his v-trigger runs out. In the bugged version however, he starts the fight bigger than normal, and he stays that way for the whole fight.
Maybe someone wants to make a gif of Abigail shrinking after his v-triggers runs out? which shows that there should be an animation for it. There's a link to it in the op:
Here's the bugged version (Abigail does not shrink after his v-trigger runs out):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5zKWGwunVE&t=2m
So, in the non bugged version he starts the fight being a bit smaller, grows a bit when activating v-trigger, and goes back to normal when his v-trigger runs out. In the bugged version however, he starts the fight bigger than normal, and he stays that way for the whole fight.
I don't believe that's true. We wouldn't have the roster we do in these games if it were.
Playstyle diversity is important in fighters, and a character like Abigail isn't going to be as popular as somebody like Chun or Ryu just because of the way they play. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have Potemkins, Fausts, Dhalsims, or Tagers in fighters.
They even did this for the character introduction video? This has to have been on purpose. This is just odd.
kunonabi
Member
SFV's awful hair, including the animation, the terrible dithering, bland UI, along with a lot of it's art direction don't have it anywhere near 3S.
They probably just had a bugged version when making the videos. Wouldn't be surprised if Matt made both at the same time.
Drilbit777
Member
At least he looks slightly better now
nah, there's animations that they made (Abigail growing bigger and shrinking) but that can't be seen. You don't do that on purpose.
El Sabroso
Member
aw really sad they didn't show that properly, at least Abigail seems fun, the only negative thing I can think of this character is the fact that a joke (this might not be the case in the end but his animations say otherwise) character is a DLC for this game, anything else like the theme music, his animations, skins, specially that backdash animation, everything looks fun.
how dare you.
SFV isn't too shabby here.
You know what, this game looks awesome. I don't care what anyone else thinks, really.
He does look better like this, but it doesn't nearly fix the problem for me. The reason why I don't care for Abigail is that he feels really unfocused and blasé despite the over the top muscles.
So, to start off with, the character they had to work with was Andore but with a different head. I'll give Capcom credit for that; they didn't go the easy route and select a character that was already interesting, they took on a challenge. The differentiation between Abigail and Andore is that Abigail's name and face paint invokes black metal. So that was the idea. He's a big metalhead.
Capcom had already adapted Andore to Street Fighter as Hugo. They kept him in the same costume but made him bigger than the rest of the cast, and also made him an unskilled fighter as opposed to the legitimate wrestlers. And then Abigail is the same thing. Like, they've both got the spotted tank top combo with the jeans and something hanging off the side of the belt. They're both bigger than the rest of the cast, they're both unskilled fighters. His moveset's totally different, but that much of the design and concet is the same.
At that point he's sounding pretty boring. But he's still got the metal aspect to differentiate him, right? He's still got the corpse paint. Capcom could play that up. So they added a choker, and... well, no, that's pretty much it on the visual department. And it's kind of hard to notice when the attention is thrown to his gigantic arms. They also changed the spots on his tank top to skulls, but I have to imagine that's because Hugo's still got spots on his.
So we dropped the ball on the metal thing. We're not going to take it out, but let's come up with something else we can design the character around instead. What can we do to make it so that when you look at the character, you instantly know what he's about? Tires. Let's go with tires. So they shove some tires around his arms. Tire tracks around his legs. Tires on his belt. He's the tire man. I guess the idea is that it's supposed to tie into his Nitro Charge - he rushes you like a car about to run you down - but that seems kind of an overly narrow thing to design him around. He's not particularly car-like otherwise.
And then they throw on the maple leaf hair. I probably wouldn't care if I thought the rest of it was okay, but trying to emphasize the character's nationality by slapping the flag on him is pretty weak too. As opposed to Guile's military look, E. Honda's kabuki facepaint, etc.
Having said that, he does have good animations, and he looks like he's fun to play as. But it just strikes me as if they didn't really settle on an idea for how to make the guy stand out and he feels boring as a result. Or maybe it's just that I'm subconsciously comparing him to Potemkin.
So, to start off with, the character they had to work with was Andore but with a different head. I'll give Capcom credit for that; they didn't go the easy route and select a character that was already interesting, they took on a challenge. The differentiation between Abigail and Andore is that Abigail's name and face paint invokes black metal. So that was the idea. He's a big metalhead.
Capcom had already adapted Andore to Street Fighter as Hugo. They kept him in the same costume but made him bigger than the rest of the cast, and also made him an unskilled fighter as opposed to the legitimate wrestlers. And then Abigail is the same thing. Like, they've both got the spotted tank top combo with the jeans and something hanging off the side of the belt. They're both bigger than the rest of the cast, they're both unskilled fighters. His moveset's totally different, but that much of the design and concet is the same.
At that point he's sounding pretty boring. But he's still got the metal aspect to differentiate him, right? He's still got the corpse paint. Capcom could play that up. So they added a choker, and... well, no, that's pretty much it on the visual department. And it's kind of hard to notice when the attention is thrown to his gigantic arms. They also changed the spots on his tank top to skulls, but I have to imagine that's because Hugo's still got spots on his.
So we dropped the ball on the metal thing. We're not going to take it out, but let's come up with something else we can design the character around instead. What can we do to make it so that when you look at the character, you instantly know what he's about? Tires. Let's go with tires. So they shove some tires around his arms. Tire tracks around his legs. Tires on his belt. He's the tire man. I guess the idea is that it's supposed to tie into his Nitro Charge - he rushes you like a car about to run you down - but that seems kind of an overly narrow thing to design him around. He's not particularly car-like otherwise.
And then they throw on the maple leaf hair. I probably wouldn't care if I thought the rest of it was okay, but trying to emphasize the character's nationality by slapping the flag on him is pretty weak too. As opposed to Guile's military look, E. Honda's kabuki facepaint, etc.
Having said that, he does have good animations, and he looks like he's fun to play as. But it just strikes me as if they didn't really settle on an idea for how to make the guy stand out and he feels boring as a result. Or maybe it's just that I'm subconsciously comparing him to Potemkin.
1) That's why the expression I don't like X thing exists.
2) I think it is self explanatory. You think this design is bad because it's not appealing to you. The design is objectively good, though, since it matches the criteria of what the character should represent, thus it's not meant for you.
I think the cool bro and cute waifu archetype is already well covered, so catering to those not catered yet doesn't sound so terrible to me.