Ok, fair enough, although I'm sure MH4 is not the only great game on 3DS. They'll be releasing 10,000 versions of MH4, so one or a few of them could end up on vita or ps3/4, so we'll have to wait and see.
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Capcom wants to break records with Monster Hunter 4
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Smiles and Cries
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3DS is at 13 Million in Japan not 12m
by the end of September it should be closer to 15m
not sure why Capcom hopes to sell 4m here with Pokemon coming so soon after they needed a couple of months to buffer
by the end of September it should be closer to 15m
not sure why Capcom hopes to sell 4m here with Pokemon coming so soon after they needed a couple of months to buffer
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I can't help but think the series behemoth sales numbers may have peaked between 2ndG and 3rd (no 3rdG will always remain a bizarre decision).
As above, Pokemon release being so close is going to eat into 4's breathing space as well.
Not saying it won't put up the frightful usual millions, but just not to the extent Capcom wants since all the rest of their business is tanking into shit-town.
As above, Pokemon release being so close is going to eat into 4's breathing space as well.
Not saying it won't put up the frightful usual millions, but just not to the extent Capcom wants since all the rest of their business is tanking into shit-town.
Now you're just moving goalposts :/ Also, according to you - stating a game would look better on more powerful hardware = port begging.
FreedomFighter
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The touch screen DPad took me a few hunts to get used to, but it turned out to be a fine alternative to a second stick. I don't even need a Circle Pad Pro thanks to that.
Magicpaint
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Okay I keep hearing this, but I'm not sure it's a forgone conclusion that Pokemon will have a detrimental effect on the long term sales of MH4. Nintendo have aligned big hitters very closely previously (MH3G, SM3D Land, MK7), (MK DS, AC:WW) etc, and they instead seemed to raise general interest in the hardware and not eat into each other's sales, but we'll see.
Earthpainting
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You can add another sale to your figures if you bring it out in Europe, Capcom. Just throwing it out there.
What is this some no true scotsman argument? I'm a monter hunter fan and no vita version to me seems like the biggest kick in the nuts capcom has ever pulled. It must have started with the ps2.
Magicpaint
Member
You act like the Vita is entitled to a Monster Hunter game. Unless it is a first party franchise, it is not.
Mr_Appleby
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you're an inferring an awful lot from my very small post there. I will, and have, played MH on whatever system it comes out on. It's simply a historical fact that every MH announcement thread is full of port begging regardless of whose console it releases on, including PS3 begs in PSP threads.
Not entitled but geez they could have at least thrown a few table scraps vita's way. But as I said capcom as a company seems to have this weird thing against sony.
Smoky I've been playing 3rd for the past 230+ hours and it amazes me how ugly 4 looks. I think it's the colors. Its so over done it's really distracting.
metalslimer
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I do like how some desperate fans have convinced themselves that this had to be a moneyhat and had nothing to do with everyone seeing vita's impending failure. Similar to crazy wiiu fans and their 3rd parties hate Nintendo whining. And the hilarious thing is how both sides argue that its just the best way to make money but only when it suits their argument
Lol at capcom having it out for Sony what nonsense
Lol at capcom having it out for Sony what nonsense
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
You think other companies are throwing some table scraps at Wii U's way too? There are even more companies that has this weird thing against Nintendo.
Well 3rd parties seemed to never like nintendo to begin with. It's weird.
There's a good reason for wanting it on vita: Maybe then MonHun will be pulled out of the handheld ghetto. The advancements in this series have been to little for too long. Enough with the enemy rehasing and small overhauls. It's time for a proper next generation entry for this game. That being said, there's no use begging for ports here, cuz Cacpom having retarded sales projections and wanting to $$$$
fabricated backlash
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I guess if you ignore pretty much every single update thread since MH4 was first shown, sure.
And no, stating that it would look better on more powerful hardware is called common sense, not port begging, but it also doesn't contribute anything at all to the topic at hand. But following that argument also implies that Capcom should ignore all consoles and portables and go straight to PC, as it's the only real option if you demand the best quality possible.
Anyway, back on topic. I hope that them trying to set records with this one also means a strong push for a timely western release. I'd love to see a WiiU version along side it, but will be gladly play it in any shape I can get my hands on. Just bring it over here Capcom.
Don't forget WiiU begs in MH4 threads.
Bluemercury
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i would also want guacamelee to be on 3ds, too bad, it went to Sony. That's how it goes...
There's quite a bit of middle ground between the 2 extremes of MH4 on 3DS, and PC/best quality possible.
Chuckpebble
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So here are two videos showing the Charge Axe.
This one looks horrible (until I shrunk the window to the size of my 3DS screen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQYw0ingV0&feature=youtu.be
This one looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePNhfTUqaZc
I like the colors.
Until I watched these, I wasn't sure the map was segmented, as always. I had a little hope and trepidation that it would be a large open world this time. So much would have changed with that.
The new weapons look cool. An SnS that turns into an axe. I also really like that the staff weapon allows you to vault all over the place.
8-4, do your magic, I'm in.
This one looks horrible (until I shrunk the window to the size of my 3DS screen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQYw0ingV0&feature=youtu.be
This one looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePNhfTUqaZc
I like the colors.
Until I watched these, I wasn't sure the map was segmented, as always. I had a little hope and trepidation that it would be a large open world this time. So much would have changed with that.
The new weapons look cool. An SnS that turns into an axe. I also really like that the staff weapon allows you to vault all over the place.
8-4, do your magic, I'm in.
There clearly was some sort of deal to keep MH off Vita. Its huge failure is what has kept it that way and will for the foreseeable future but the fact that 3rd HD Vita was literally the only thing from the list of rumours that never came true is pretty telling.
IIRC, Capcom originally went over to the Wii because it was cheaper, then Nintendo offered to finance the European version, same with Ultimate.
There's not much more to it than that. If it eventually comes west, Nintendo will probably finance the European version again.
There is absolutely no "kick in the nuts" if a third party decides to change platforms. It is the benefit of being independent. The start of this was happening long before the Vita even launched, it should be utterly irrelevant now.
There's not much more to it than that. If it eventually comes west, Nintendo will probably finance the European version again.
There is absolutely no "kick in the nuts" if a third party decides to change platforms. It is the benefit of being independent. The start of this was happening long before the Vita even launched, it should be utterly irrelevant now.
metalslimer
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Or scea not letting the ps3 game over led to the vita cancellation. Or a myriad of other reasons.
It is funny. Honestly it was a smart business decision. Capcom saw what it did for a less than successful handheld and bet on the future and the idea of bringing the franchise to a successful handheld could have even bigger results.
Factors like Mobile gaming and such have certainly weakened the handheld market in ways capcom etc likely didn't foresee but its still logical to think that the series on the thriving handheld is a better decision then putting it on the less thriving and trying to push it alive. Capcom is about maximizing their potential not saving failing handhelds.
Smiles and Cries
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well it is the difference between selling 2.5m to breaking records and selling 4m
you want to sell 2.5m MH4 it is possible with Pokemon coming out next month after it
you want to sell 4m MH4 I would think you need to keep it away from anything else gamers are hungry for
Monster Hunter is a time sink. So is Pokemon you can only play one and go deep into it
fabricated backlash
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Can you imagine fighting Savage Jho in an open world where no segment barrier could save your ass? I am kind of convinced that the segmentation of arenas is actually so integral to how MH is played, that I really wouldn't like it go completely open. Maybe have areas to be bigger, or introduce natural segmentations instead of single loaded areas.
Just watching the latest videos is making my mouth watering at the prospect of experimenting with the new weapons, and new strategies possible thanks to height differences, ledges and chasms. Gunners and Bow/Arrow players will have a whole new world of strategies open to them.
Haha, that could actually be the case. It's crazy that they didn't turn a blind eye to that considering how important the franchise was for the PSP (but hey, indies!1!).
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Most MH vita rumors were mostly materialized due to mistranslations or fake pranks.
Well, to be fair, when MH4 was *announced* success was very much up in the air for all involved parties; I'm reasonably comfortable that there was some sort of enticement Nintendo offered to sway Capcom their way (most likely in the form of western support, I think Capcom have wanted a breakthrough on that front for a while).
What you can certainly argue is that since then the Vita has done very little to convince Capcom to reconsider.
I get the feeling there's little crossover between Pokemon and MH fans. Monster Hunter eats Pokemons breakfast and steals its lunch money.
Yes, that's what smoke bombs and flash bangs are for. And if the monsters weren't psychic maybe you could hide behind a giant rocks or trees. It'd actually be pretty awesome if you were in a wooded area and had to hide and watch as deviljho tears down trees trying to find you.
They are very different games and do different things, one isn't inherently better than the other.
But you are probably right that there isn't much of a crossover, but I'm at least proof that there is at least a small one.
Not this one. The Vita ended up launching in December and we later found out that Bayonetta 2 was in development for PS360 but it was cancelled (temporarily).
Diprosalic
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i wouldn't be so sure about that.
metalslimer
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To be fair, i do think there is the possibility of the moneyhat, but many people who bring it up seem to imply that 3DS made no sense for the series when the truth was the psp was only chosen because the DS couldn't handle it.
2 series as mainstream as pokemon and mh probably have huge crossover appeal. That's like thinking GTA and CoD have no crossover appeal.
2 series as mainstream as pokemon and mh probably have huge crossover appeal. That's like thinking GTA and CoD have no crossover appeal.
I'm almost certain that the traversal mechanics being introduced to MH4 are the first step to getting rid of areas segmented by load screens. But the AI and flow of the combat is designed around constrained 'arenas', and unless they can come up with a way to naturally separate them without making it clumsy and slow then I'd rather have load screens. Especially since loadtimes in eshop MH3U on Wii U were basically nonexistent.
And yeah I eventually went deep into gunning in MH3U and I might even play through the village quests as a gunner in 4.
Are you trying to say monster hunter is that desperate for food and money?
fabricated backlash
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That's what I meant with natural segmentation. Ledges, bushes, small caves etc. MH4 already introduces elevated positions that shake up the strategies for ranged combat significantly (considering they still kept the damage loss for distance for Bow users)
It also introduces temporary save spots for melee players to heal/buff/cure.
But more than that, segmented areas are so far key in online communication in the game. It helps new players get familiar with the layout of the maps, it makes it easier to memorize monster behaviour and patterns. It brings a constant to a game that otherwise can be pretty random, especially on higher Ranks.
Sure it was born out of technical necessity when conceived, but I maintain, that it is integral to MH gameplay and style, just as the weighty combat flow and the commitment to your actions.
It's not like it matters anyway. Sony had the leverage of 4+ million copies of the latest installment sold and yet they chose not to secure the biggest PSP franchise for their new, unproven handheld. If Nintendo swooped in and took advantage of it, it's hardly their fault.
Smiles and Cries
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you are a die hard MH fan who only wants to play it on Wii U now not sure how much lunch it can eat Pokemon is pretty hungry XY is not slacking
I might agree about the no crossover considering if you are a Pokemon fan it becomes a lifestyle to most of them
Magicpaint
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I mean if that's the case then an extra month isn't going to make that big a difference. And I know they were on different platforms back then, but Pokemon B/W and MHP3rd didn't seem to hurt each other despite being 2.5 months apart.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Nice find. How were those rumors consolidated and originated though? Honest question.
fabricated backlash
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I went exclusively Bow in MH3U and plan to remain a Bow user in 4. It's certainly hard, but once you get the hang of using coatings, it gets better and with 4 it seems those classes are finally getting some much needed advantages in forms of terrain design.
I think what we're going to see in the future of MH is the end of load screens between areas, while the concept of areas still being kept (one huge map, but with numbered areas to keep track of stuff like Monster habitats, behaviour profiles etc...)
They could change up Monster Behaviour to become more territorial, meaning that a Monster could have different attack behaviours on top of Rage/Exhausted. Like territorial behaviour and hunter mode, which would set the Monster into pursuit mode, following the players constantly (could introduce more fleshed out bait mechanics/traps/support roles)
metalslimer
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They were all from the same rumor which means it likely existed at some point.
That's kinda my feeling too. Regardless of how the franchise ended up on 3DS, Sony are fucking mugs for not making Capcom an offer they couldn't refuse. Assuming they didn't try, that is.
Smiles and Cries
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different platform is huge man.
anyway not a Pokemon fan the only reason I would play Pokemon is if they have a real full game for my Wii U I am willing to try anything on Wii U for some reason the last Monster Hunter I played was my first Monster Hunter experience and I only played it to get ready for MH4 HD whenever Capcom decides to be smart
so I am one of those people hoping this fails to reach records because I want MH4G Ultimate HD
metalslimer
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Well that makes no sense as 3rd broke records and got ported to ps3 and the only reason it isn't in the west is because of sony's dumb rules. There will be another version at some point, whether it's on wiiu or ps4 who knows
Yea man, they're fuckin weird.
You obviously have a Vita who cost more and has an ecosystem not viable to develop games if you're called Capcom.
So clearly it's not that much of a deal for you.
Also what makes you think I was speaking in $? I live in the zone.
I bought the MHFU pack for the psp some years ago despite psp being a horrible handheld with nothing else I would really want to play on it (thank god for KH and Tactics ogre), I didn't waste my time arguing that it should have come on DS instead.
Look, my issue is that Capcoms statement is hypocritical. The tablet and smart phone market is something they could target alongside 3DS. It would be nice to see it come to Vita but its fine if it doesn't, plenty other games to buy for it. I have no interest in 3DS at all, so, I'll miss out. I hope Killzone Mercenary is as addictive in nature. It looks quite good.
So you're arguing that it should come to a platform in such a crippled form that it would border on the butchery?
If they didn't put MH on DS despite the fact that the thing sold more SW/HW than anything (even ps2!) by a large margin because it didn't met their standards as far as control goes, what makes you think they'd do something so stupid?
If you don't have any interest in 3DS what are you even doing here?
You're never getting MH4 at this point and nothing will change your mind so again what are you doing here?
flyinpiranha
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Man, I wish it would come to the US quicker than the usual port. I want to help it break records. Only being able to play with my girlfriend (who eventually kind of gave it up) was kind of terrible. I basically stopped playing myself.
Having online should be amazing for this. I just wish they'd announce a US date.
Having online should be amazing for this. I just wish they'd announce a US date.
I swear, Mael. One of these days me 'n' you are going to get into a sweaty, shirtless fist fight.