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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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George Oscar Bluth II
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Still can't get over how great it looks.
Yeezus H. Christ
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I actually really like the suit. It looks perfect, and nicely distinct from the previous suits in the past.
Version 3.0
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I love seeing the split here over who's right, Tony or Steve. It really shows how well they crafted the scenario that there's no obvious right side. Also, it was nice that the various characters showed different degrees of certainty about their choice; Wanda abstained, Widow was wishy-washy, even Tony looked like he had doubts by the end (as well he should).
Personally, I started leaning toward Tony's side - obviously the team needs some sort of world community endorsement, at least, if not direct oversight.
By the end of the film, though, I was on Cap's side. The oversight was immediately counter-productive, and only resulted in a kill order of an (at least arguably) innocent man and an arrest order for selfless heroes who are only trying to help.
In a non-entertainment scenario, obviously just more talking and negotiation would be needed to figure it all out, but in a movie scenario, boy, did they nail the whole thing.
Personally, I started leaning toward Tony's side - obviously the team needs some sort of world community endorsement, at least, if not direct oversight.
By the end of the film, though, I was on Cap's side. The oversight was immediately counter-productive, and only resulted in a kill order of an (at least arguably) innocent man and an arrest order for selfless heroes who are only trying to help.
In a non-entertainment scenario, obviously just more talking and negotiation would be needed to figure it all out, but in a movie scenario, boy, did they nail the whole thing.
All it needs are webpits.
BronsonLee
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There's like five or six things they can pop in commercials at this point to lure people back in
Abandon spoiler-free hopes, all ye who enter the cinema
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Pretty stupid to do if people haven't seen it. Giant Man was one of the hypest moments for me (and something I should have seen coming but was still surprised at seeing nonetheless).
people that really care about stuff like that saw it opening weekend. these commercials are to get the stragglers or to draw people in for multiple viewings
BronsonLee
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They were even sneaky enough to actively use different takes & cut out Spidey from the big lineup & running shots
Never trust em!
Never trust em!
Subpar Spatula
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Steve and Tony could have ended up in Siberia alone without such fluff. Why did Ant-Man need to be in jail? Does Tony even know who this guy is? The issue with their powers was collateral damage and no body actually got hurt at the airport. Your last point illustrates how actually pointless the scene was or how it could have been handled in a much better story oriented way.
Like, why even bring Antman in? He serves zero purpose in the movie besides going big. I watched it again today and it doesn't hold up well on repeat viewings or when you try to add MCU logic into it.
But Spider-Man, though!
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Wouldn't the already strong WOM be enough? It's clear people like this and that's enough for repeat viewings.
extra juice in the commercials can't hurt
used different lines for different scenes
I noticed this too during NBA playoffs, and someone asked "When did he get big?!?!" smh
Steve and Tony could have ended up in Siberia alone without such fluff. Why did Ant-Man need to be in jail? Does Tony even know who this guy is? The issue with their powers was collateral damage and no body actually got hurt at the airport. Your last point illustrates how actually pointless the scene was or how it could have been handled in a much better story oriented way.
Like, why even bring Antman in? He serves zero purpose in the movie besides going big. I watched it again today and it doesn't hold up well on repeat viewings or when you try to add MCU logic into it.
But Spider-Man, though!
You can be this idiotic about any scene in any movie ever. ANY movie scene can be re-written to accomplish the intentions of the scene in question under different circumstances. The only scenes that are truly worthless are those that don't add anything to a movie, either in terms of narrative or entertainment value. The airport scene fulfills both no matter how much you delude yourself that into thinking it serves no purpose.
Gordon Shumway
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Man. My short answer. Dad was murdered as a kid. "It sucked" is an understatement. Like I said, you might walk in with a certain mind set. Pops housed about 20 illegal Mexican immigrants on his land. They knew who did it and said nothing, for obvious reasons. I'm leaving it there. Guy has been dealt with, btw.
Before I reply to this, why do you always drop ellipses after your last sentence? It looks pretty weird, man.
I love attention..
Also, Joan.gif
And while I COMPLETELY understand that, truly, it fucks with me on a personal tip. I've been waiting for Steve to be upfront about this. Sadly, it went the way it did.
I understand that "waaaawaaaa" is an ok response for some. It just hit close to home for me. Btw, I HATED The First Avenger and wasn't the biggest Cap fan. Winter Soldier changed my tune and made me sooo excited for this movie.
While I enjoyed it immensely, I just feel down about how that story played out. Just me, obviously.
And speaking of a "natural" reaction, I'll fucking merc ANYONE standing in front of me that had a hand LITERALLY in killing someone I love. Period. Sorry. Just me..
#..
Glass Rebel
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Speaking of costumes, the evolution of Cap's costumes:
The Commander Steve Rogers inspired one from Winter Soldier is still my fave, even though it's lacking the iconic red and white.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You're not actually writing anything that counters what I said. Do you even know why Ant-Man is at the airport? Neither do it. I guess to go Big or Go Home?
George Oscar Bluth II
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It's Chris Elvans' favourite too.
I hope they don't change the costume for Homecoming, it looks perfect right now.
I could see them making tweaks here and there like Cap's costume or Iron Man's suit, but it will mostly stay the same. Maybe he gets web-pits in homecoming?
Gordon Shumway
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I think it looks great as is..I'm sure they'll adjust SOMETHING along the way. Kind of what they do. Perhaps a scene with a ton of input from Peter himself on the design?
It's a really Alex Ross esque design.
Minus the edginess.
The costume doesn't physically exist yet though, right?
there are a few shots in Civil War where the suit is in fact real and not CG.
the suit is an amazing design accomplishment. In one scene it looks like Alex Ross, then in another it looks like Steve Ditko, and then out of nowhere it looks like Romita. I had a boner the entire time
BewareTheBatsie
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If Steve didn't know it was Bucky why didn't he tell Tony at all? Telling your friend that his parents were murdered and not dead in an accident is rough, but not super rough to the point of keeping it a secret for near two years for no real reason. If he knew it was Bucky it might sort of give him reason to not say the truth, because he wanted to try and protect Bucky even with him not around.
he knew it was Bucky, he was lying when he told Tony that
BewareTheBatsie
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That's definite, right? Because even on this thread I'm seeing people argue both ways, that Steve didn't know and was telling the truth.
Wait really? When?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Yeah. He knew. Folks keep claiming it was only "implied" for some reason. Not sure why..
I'm pretty sure there are a few close up shots during his fight with cap that are real (with CG eyes obviously)
and when he's on the ground with his mask half off, the close up shots are real and the suit is real. when the scene cuts to him putting his mask back on its all cg though (not sure why)
there could be more, I think there's more non-cg spidey than people realize.
It was definitely real when Paker's mask was half off.
BewareTheBatsie
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Right, thanks! I keep getting confused over it, because I do think Steve has known the whole time but then someone pops up with an argument as to why he didn't know.
That fabric is weird, looked like CG there to me.
What does it matter when you're incapable of reevaluating your position?
Ant-Man is there thematically as a parallel to Peter. Both are relatively inexperienced, both are swept up by their admiration for Steve and Tony respectively. Both show that their respective leaders are willing to take advantage of that naivety to accomplish their own goals.
Ant-Man is there from a narrative stand point because Steve needed more muscle, because it would be much easier for Wanda, Clint, and Scott to get into Germany than for Steve to smuggle Bucky out. If you bothered to pay attention, you'd have picked this up when Steve and Sam are discussing how to get Bucky out of Germany. Steve says "We're on our own," and Sam responds with "Maybe not. I know a guy," referring to Scott Lang.
Ant-Man is there from an entertainment point of view because he's fucking awesome and a great way to leave an impression on an audience.
Does that adequately answer your question? Why did you you see this movie twice when all you do is whine about it?
George Oscar Bluth II
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I wonder if the eyes are completely CGI even when static. They looked too nestled into the mask to be real.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Were you paying attention?
Falcon and Steve were discussing how best to take down the five other Winter Soldiers in Siberia, and if Bucky's power is any indication, just Falcon, Steve, and Bucky wouldn't be enough to take all of them down. Ant-Man was brought in as reinforcements alongside Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye to make the trip to Siberia, but obviously Team Tony got in the way.
Dude, this is basic as fuck.
Dude's the same as that BadAss2961 guy, just less obvious. I'd ignore it if I were you.
I really hope we get a breakdown on the VFX behind spider-man on the bluray or something. there's a lot of stuff going on there
Not doing so is a bad habit of mine.
Jag
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I thought he found out when Bucky told him about 1991.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I hope so too, but Marvel Blu-Rays are really light on content that isn't a gag reel or 10 minute documentary on the film production. Maybe in the art book there'll be an explanation.
Maybe even on The RPF, which is a replica prop forum where people fuckin' love the tiniest details and contact the costume designers for them.
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