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[Scrooge McDuck]

Are you saying the preceding events weren't designed by the writers and director to set up that big set piece and no other options available in the MCU were available to TeamCap?

You know, when screenwriters sit down to write a screenplay, their hands doesn't magically move on their own, guided by the Natural Laws of Fiction. Everything that's written in a screenplay is crafted to effect certain desired results.

I honestly have troubles understanding your actual qualm with the sequence. You are basically saying that even though the scene makes sense, it is bad anyway because it's what the writers want to happen (of course it is) and it could be excised completely if we altered the circumstances surrounding it and attached its repercussions to something else (just like everything in fiction).

I think it would be helpful to the discussion to pinpoint what elements in particular do you think make the sequence ineffectual for what they're trying to accomplish and what kind of a main culmination would you prefer to be in its place.

 

[Jest Chillin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgDLaj6jFI

Nat: "That thing you asked for. I called in a few favors from Kiev."

"Be careful, Steve, Might not want to pull on that thread."

I feel like that scene is even more convoluted to pull from because she could easily be warning him about reading the file because it will eat away at him to read what Bucky went through since he had been beating himself up the whole movie about not being able to save him on the train.

Not to mention that if it stated in that file, why wouldn't Zemo have been able to get those details from a file instead of going after the old Hydra commander and eventually Bucky himself.

Either way though the result is the same. Cap knew Bucky was responsible.

 

[alundra311]

I kinda wanted it too, but I feel like this is the sorta thing you would mainly get in a Spidey solo film.

I guess so. But had they done it, Spidey fans would have gone crazy (I know I would have, LOL).

 

[Dai101]

I believe the Russos, new MCU directors as of TWS, left it open-ended and vague enough to not drag down Whedon's Avengers 2 with a plot hole.

Nah, no need for that, whedon draged down himself pretty fine.

 

[Renekton]

Nah, no need for that, whedon draged down himself pretty fine.

AVENGERS ASS...

 

[LucidMomentum]

AVENGERS ASS...

 

[NastyBook]

It's Chris Elvans' favourite too.

That's good to hear, because I'm also of like mind. That suit is awesome.

 

[Skittles]

For all the shit age of ultron gets because they heavily fucked up ultron. I still fucking love his voice, it's a perfect mix of condescending with sly maliciousness. I hope they bring him back because the MCU desperately needs a good recurring villain.

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

I guess so. But had they done it, Spidey fans would have gone crazy (I know I would have, LOL).

It's definitely the sorta detail that plays especially well in, say, fan-made viral Internet videos, the sorta details that fans go NUTS for, and I feel like Marvel should definitely capitalize on that flavor if not go directly for it.

For all the shit age of ultron gets because they heavily fucked up ultron. I still fucking love his voice, it's a perfect mix of condescending with sly maliciousness. I hope they bring him back because the MCU desperately needs a good recurring villain.

Sounds too "I was cast in a Joss Whedon thing that isn't Avengers except they put me in Avengers" for me. It's the easy answer and probably tiring for most fans, but I would have liked Ron Perlman.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

You know, when screenwriters sit down to write a screenplay, their hands doesn't magically move on their own, guided by the Natural Laws of Fiction. Everything that's written in a screenplay is crafted to effect certain desired results.

I honestly have troubles understanding your actual qualm with the sequence. You are basically saying that even though the scene makes sense, it is bad anyway because it's what the writers want to happen (of course it is) and it could be excised completely if we altered the circumstances surrounding it and attached its repercussions to something else (just like everything in fiction).

I think it would be helpful to the discussion to pinpoint what elements in particular do you think make the sequence ineffectual for what they're trying to accomplish and what kind of a main culmination would you prefer to be in its place.

What I was wrote wasn't cryptic. Antman exists at the airport solely to grow big and nothing more. This scene wasn't organic in a sense but was designed to try and fit all the characters in there so they could interact. We understand Scott Lang was needed as added muscle, the same with Hawkeye but they weren't necessary overall (not because they lost the fight). In other words they could have transitioned to Cap and Bucky with Ironman in Siberia without having to have everyone pull punches at an airport. Like, did anyone actually feel like any of those characters were in danger of losing anything during that? Sure, some go to jail but it's so sanitized and glossy that you don't root for anyone because you're too busy smiling at just the absurdity of it. It really did look like a demo reel for an Avengers movie if there never was a MCU.

 

[twozerotwo]

After seeing them be sneaky about Spider-Man it would've been crazy if they had sneaked in Blackagar the same way.

Foreverdreaming.flv

 

[The Silver]

After seeing them be sneaky about Spider-Man it would've been crazy if they had sneaked in Blackagar the same way.

Foreverdreaming.flv

Man Black Bolt couldn't have pretended to give a shit about what everyone was fighting about.

Someone would've had to go to the moon and frame Bucky for kidnapping his son to get him to care, and then he'd bring total war with him.

 

[-griffy-]

I really hope we get a breakdown on the VFX behind spider-man on the bluray or something. there's a lot of stuff going on there

This interview from today with ILM people seems to point to it being fully CG. They tried out practical suits but weren't happy with it, and went full CG. Ditto for Black Panther, where they fully painted over a practical suit in some cases.

At first, they alternated between shooting a stunt performer and Holland in the suits. They used witness cameras for Holland and studied parkour for reference. But half-way through production, they decided it was easier to go full digital for the Spidey suit with muscle rig and muscle sim as well as cloth suit and cloth sim. They started with blue spandex and red satin fabric and added a carbon fiber textural pattern and a raised printed pattern on top. They played with the slide to stretch ratio for the fabric so that it looked like a real person talking under the mask.

For Black Panther, they also went from a practical suit, with vibranium thread woven into it to full CG to make him more heroic-looking. They also steered clear of any Batman likeness.

"Proportionally, it was difficult," Earl admitted. "So we made the helmet smaller, the chest bigger, the shoulders broader and the waist narrower. Animation wise, we gave him cat-like agility and keyed off of stunt performances. Even in close-up fighting, he's been fully replaced by a CG version. But it's seamless. He's a badass character."

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

This interview from today with ILM people seems to point to it being fully CG. They tried out practical suits but weren't happy with it, and went full CG. Ditto for Black Panther, where they fully painted over a practical suit in some cases.

Woah.

Good luck, cosplayers.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Spidey and BP both looked great. Well done, ILM.

 

[kurahador]

This interview from today with ILM people seems to point to it being fully CG. They tried out practical suits but weren't happy with it, and went full CG. Ditto for Black Panther, where they fully painted over a practical suit in some cases.

Everything is CG.

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

Everything is CG.

I remember people being freaked out for the future of Hollywood back in 2010 or so with really simple fare. Now we have CG aging Hayley Atwell into a grandma, making Michael Douglas and RDJ look young to super-young, freakin' CG stand-ins for combat with the stunt actors painted out but totally look like they were filmed like that, what a time.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I remember people being freaked out for the future of Hollywood back in 2010 or so with really simple fare. Now we have CG aging Hayley Atwell into a grandma, making Michael Douglas and RDJ look young to super-young, freakin' CG stand-ins for combat with the stunt actors painted out but totally look like they were filmed like that, what a time.

That RDJ one was absolutely amazing work.

 

[Fhtagn]

Take private jet? Why? When there is a Quinjet to take? They need to get there ASAP.

They steal a private jet only if Tony isn't there with a quinjet. With the quinjet there, it becomes the only option because the other jets will be too easily disabled/blown up.

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

They steal a private jet only if Tony isn't there with a quinjet. With the quinjet there, it becomes the only option because the other jets will be too easily disabled/blown up.

Actually, that scene starts with Cap walking up to a helicopter that I'm not sure could fit all 6 members of TeamCap, from what I can recall. Do they just stash Quinjets at random airports or was running into TeamIronMan a thing that they always planned on? Hrm.

 

[EroticSushi]

 

[Einchy]

I don't remember this shot.

I think this means I should watch the movie again.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

What I was wrote wasn't cryptic. Antman exists at the airport solely to grow big and nothing more. This scene wasn't organic in a sense but was designed to try and fit all the characters in there so they could interact. We understand Scott Lang was needed as added muscle, the same with Hawkeye but they weren't necessary overall (not because they lost the fight). In other words they could have transitioned to Cap and Bucky with Ironman in Siberia without having to have everyone pull punches at an airport. Like, did anyone actually feel like any of those characters were in danger of losing anything during that? Sure, some go to jail but it's so sanitized and glossy that you don't root for anyone because you're too busy smiling at just the absurdity of it. It really did look like a demo reel for an Avengers movie if there never was a MCU.

There are two main repercussions of the airport fight: Rhodey's paralysis and Team Cap's incarceration. Both serves to drive the plot and propel Tony's character arc forward in that they add another baggage to his already weathered psyche - building up tension for the twist - and they made him question the wisdom of his choices - initiating closure to the film's main conflict.

As an action film, it naturally needs to effect those through action sequences.

If you thought that it's all just too sanitized and glossy, or if you thought it's missed the mark, then that's another argument entirely. But there's definitely a need for an "airport scene" a culminating event that crashes every plot thread into each other and bridges the story into the final act. It couldn't just be excised entirely and that's that; there should still be something in its place.

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

I don't remember this shot.

I think this means I should watch the movie again.

It's been flipped horizontally. That's what's tripping you up.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

I don't quite remember how ultron came to life(AoU was forgettable), but I always thought it was a weak plot device to pile more shit on the Tony character. Tony is a science genius with a super ai helping him, I would think he makes logical decisions and takes calculated risks, even the normally conservative hulk agreed with him on the ultron project. I disagreed with Steve that the safest hands are theirs as its been shown heroes can still turn rogue either thru mind control or personal bff getting in the way.

Steve is the one that don't think things thru. He wants to punch his way out the WW way. So what's going to happen after capturing zemo and defeating WS, you know after you wreck an airport, going up against the world who just wanted some assurance? The world doesn't work that way anymore..

Now if the ultron project didn't get trolled by an infinity gem, the world would have been a better place. If Steve didn't turn the accord situation worse, Tony would still have some power play over the 117 nations. Tony is a guy that wants to do the greater good, but things out of his hands keep dealing him a bad card. Steve on the other hand, still like to think he can take things in his own hands just because he has super powers.

And again, Tony would have properly analysed Spidey and know that he is super human, he is not going up against real bad guys like WS or ulton bots, just to reel some friends in. And Tony didn't tried to crush Spidey with a trailer.

If Steve was such a great person, he would turn away hawkguy. But he didn't and he is also liar for his own good. Selfish dick this Cap is.

I get why people like Cap more, this is a super heroe cine verse, Steve agenda is more personal, nobody like a hero working on a leash, expecting that they have great powers and so will know how to take great responsibility before they act, so Steve has to be doing the right things going up against some governing body.

Ultron came to life because Tony wanted to take the risk with the Scepter even though he fully knew that he had no idea what the Scepter technology was like. He took an unnecessary risk with a piece of technology that he himself was unfamiliar with. IIRC, he kind of coerced Banner to be on board with him because even he was a bit hesitant to work on a project where he'd be treading in unfamiliar territory.

How is Steve the one that didn't think things through when he fully found out that Zemo was behind Bucky being framed? It took Stark until the psychiatrist's death in Zemo's hotel to realize that Zemo was playing him the whole time. That's not being smart, he focused too much on apprehending the heroes that didn't sign the Sokovia Accords that he completely forgot about the possibility that other situations were possible. And that's the problem with signing with the Accords, whatever mission you're given is the one they want you to focus on. There's no space for thinking unless you're given new evidence.

The Ant-Man throwing the trailer doesn't matter at all. It's Tony's fault for bringing a kid to fight a war. At this point he cared only about the upper hand rather than the possibility that Peter could get hurt. In fact, like I said, the fact that Peter could have gotten hurt and ended up getting hurt is absurdly reckless of Tony. You would think after Avengers and Age of Ultron, that he'd be more understanding of how fights like these go.

Again, how is Cap being selfish? Jeremy Renner mentioned that the point of his character coming back was to repay a debt to Scarlett Witch after what happened to Quicksilver. If anything, it's selfless of Hawkeye to put his life at risk and pay it forward. Cap never forced him. That's a misconception.

Actually both sides have a point. Stark has a good point in saying that heroes need to be overseen by a third party (even if I have problems with the fact that he's saying this after a massive disaster happened BECAUSE of him). Cap also has a good point in that once you forfeit your freedom as a hero, where does it end? Especially when he saw a trusted organization like S.H.I.E.L.D. being corrupted by HYDRA. Not to mention, if you operate in a government's interests, then you could be prevented from helping people who need it the most. Which is terrible. The big problem is that none are willing to compromise, which is both a good and bad thing.

Eh. I think the original design is sort of at odds with this character that they've written, which once again leads me to ask: why call him Zemo at all?

I think how the wrote him is a great way. You don't always need to be exact with the characters (though his plan is a bit of an asspull). In some ways, they kept him true to elements of the comics where Helmut Zemo took revenge on Captain America for killing his father, only expanded into a much larger desire for revenge after his family died in Sokovia.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

It doesn't adequately answer my question. The muscle part is pointless because the movie only gives the quinjet as an out therefore making the scene necessary. There was no options, it was designed from the start to get them all there and they needed to back it up with half-baked ideas. Scott Lang has considerable resources with Hank Pym and the best idea that can ever be conceived in a long run towards the quinjet? It makes TWS evasion aspect seem almost non-existent. Sure, there's urgency but it all plays into, "gotta make them ALL fight". You can make a movie make sense in that the dialogue reinforces the choices made but you can still question whether those choices are good or good. Hunger Games makes choices that fit well within the universe but it's not like they're not criticized for being dumb.

I have to ask, because your 'criticisms' demand this question: have you ever been considered slow or clueless by your peers?

Ant-Man was there to provide extra muscle to fight the Winter Soldiers. What is essentially five Buckys is no fucking joke just considering hand-to-hand, now give them weapons and they can give more than a few Avengers a difficult time at the very least.

It has nothing to do with the Quinjet. Steve and Sam were discussing how best to tackle the Siberia situation and at the time, it was only them three. Thus, Scott Lang was brought in as reinforcements to take down the Winter Soldiers.

It's actually hilarious that DC fans consider Marvel movies dumb when Sir Spatula here can't even grasp a plot element that was stated ad verbatim by one of the characters.

Go back to the DC Cinematic subreddit where you came from, lmao.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I assume the official concept art of Zemo hadn't been posted.

Why do you toy with me?

 

[Burt]

I have to ask, because your 'criticisms' demand this question: have you ever been considered slow or clueless by your peers?

Ant-Man was there to provide extra muscle to fight the Winter Soldiers. What is essentially five Buckys is no fucking joke just considering hand-to-hand, now give them weapons and they can give more than a few Avengers a difficult time at the very least.

It has nothing to do with the Quinjet. Steve and Sam were discussing how best to tackle the Siberia situation and at the time, it was only them three. Thus, Scott Lang was brought in as reinforcements to take down the Winter Soldiers.

It's actually hilarious that DC fans consider Marvel movies dumb when Sir Spatula here can't even grasp a plot element that was stated ad verbatim by one of the characters.

Go back to the DC Cinematic subreddit where you came from, lmao.

bruh

when someone is arguing against the greatest 17 minutes in comic book move history

like there wasn't a thematic need for everyone to throw down in a movie about the collateral damage of superheroes called civil war

like they've cracked the da vinci code by pointing out macguffins in these movies

like these characters' dbz power levels are more important than creating a good film

just let them wallow in it

 

[TwoDurans]

When you boys see you kissing dat hottie.

 

[duckroll]

I assume the official concept art of Zemo hadn't been posted.

That actually looks like it could be a practical uniform for the secret ops team he was running in Sokovia.

 

[Einchy]

I'm still hoping for this one.

Granted, I don't really see Zemo wearing any costume in the MCU since he's not really a fighter.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I assume the official concept art of Zemo hadn't been posted.

Well hot damn.

 

[friskykillface]

OP spidey the god

I should go watch it in Imax to see how it is , last IMAX movie i saw was 300 lol

 

[onipex]

What I was wrote wasn't cryptic. Antman exists at the airport solely to grow big and nothing more. This scene wasn't organic in a sense but was designed to try and fit all the characters in there so they could interact. We understand Scott Lang was needed as added muscle, the same with Hawkeye but they weren't necessary overall (not because they lost the fight). In other words they could have transitioned to Cap and Bucky with Ironman in Siberia without having to have everyone pull punches at an airport. Like, did anyone actually feel like any of those characters were in danger of losing anything during that? Sure, some go to jail but it's so sanitized and glossy that you don't root for anyone because you're too busy smiling at just the absurdity of it. It really did look like a demo reel for an Avengers movie if there never was a MCU.

My main complaint about that scene is the lack of danger. I even thought that maybe Falcon was in danger if he didn't dodge Vision's shot but its been made clear that he still could have glided down ( even though Spider-man webbing his thruster caused him to fall) . So really the real danger came from Tony being an ass and not upgrading his long time friend's suit after fighting side by side with him more than anyone else.

Everyone pulling their punches makes sense for the story, but it also takes away from the scene for me. It made me wish they were fighting against a team of powered villains instead of other heroes.

The scene exist just to be a showcase of the heroes interacting and its great as that. There is no real danger or weight to the entire thing. I feel the entire film is lacking weight outside of boring government drama.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Do we have screenshots of the Spider-Signal?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

There are two main repercussions of the airport fight: Rhodey's paralysis and Team Cap's incarceration. Both serves to drive the plot and propel Tony's character arc forward in that they add another baggage to his already weathered psyche - building up tension for the twist - and they made him question the wisdom of his choices - initiating closure to the film's main conflict.

As an action film, it naturally needs to effect those through action sequences.

If you thought that it's all just too sanitized and glossy, or if you thought it's missed the mark, then that's another argument entirely. But there's definitely a need for an "airport scene" a culminating event that crashes every plot thread into each other and bridges the story into the final act. It couldn't just be excised entirely and that's that; there should still be something in its place.

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's good or interesting. There's a lot of movies out there that make sense if you talk it out logically but those can still be poor quality. There should be something in it's place, you're right, and adding the big hold-your-punches brawl in the airport wasn't necessarily needed. Did it make comic fans blow up with glee? Sure but then you just sacrificed a bit of story telling to do so. Compare it to Mad Max where the action is intertwined and has a purpose.

I don't disagree these plot points work, I disagree on how good they are and how well they contribute to the overall story.

 

[a916]

If Vibranium can absorb kinetic energy and any vibrations, wouldn't making it bounce off walls be completely impossible?

The kinetic energy that Cap puts into it when he throws, would it not just hit the wall and fall down?

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

Everyone pulling their punches makes sense for the story, but it also takes away from the scene for me. It made me wish they were fighting against a team of powered villains instead of other heroes.

Yeah, no thanks. Then it'd be BvS redux with the whole common enemy, boring-as-tears BS we see so frequently.

If Vibranium can absorb kinetic energy and any vibrations, wouldn't making it bounce off walls be completely impossible?

The kinetic energy that Cap puts into it when he throws, would it not just hit the wall and fall down?

Technically, yeah. The shield defies the laws of physics, but honestly, I can suspend my disbelief for it.

 

[- J - D -]

I really liked that Spider-Man actually calls out the physics paradox that is Cap's shield during the battle royale scene.

"That thing doesn't obey the laws of physics at all!" or something like that.

 

[Dalek]

I'm still hoping for this one.

 

[FleenerW]

So did anyone understand the Ant-Man line about orange slices? What's the joke?

 

[AquaWateria]

If the MCU gives Black Panther the king of the dead upgrade. I will literally shit my pants.

We would be blessed with a God.......

 

[- J - D -]

I was surprised when they showed old photos of him they didn't even try to put Zemo into an outfit that even sorta kinda hinted at his traditional garb. Missed opportunity.

 

[UrokeJoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgDLaj6jFI

Nat: "That thing you asked for. I called in a few favors from Kiev."

"Be careful, Steve, Might not want to pull on that thread."

Love that scene.

 

[Dalek]

So did anyone understand the Ant-Man line about orange slices? What's the joke?

I asked that too-apparently it's because when little kids have sporting events like soccer games, afterwards the parents provide refreshment like orange slices and water.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's good or interesting. There's a lot of movies out there that make sense if you talk it out logically but those can still be poor quality. There should be something in it's place, you're right, and adding the big hold-your-punches brawl in the airport wasn't necessarily needed. Did it make comic fans blow up with glee? Sure but then you just sacrificed a bit of story telling to do so. Compare it to Mad Max where the action is intertwined and has a purpose.

I don't disagree these plot points work, I disagree on how good they are and how well they contribute to the overall story.

The whole thing was building up to it, IMO. It started out as an ideological dispute between the Avengers as comrades spurred by the introduction of the Accords, then gradually escalated as the Accords truly began to be enforced with the containment of Wanda and arrest of Rogers/Falcon. All the while, the situation is growing worse and worse as not only are dozens of innocent civilians killed in the beginning, but the King of Wakanda himself is murdered in Vienna, deepening the wedge between Rogers and Tony. By the time Bucky escapes, Cap forgoes any pretense of following guidelines and is on the run with an international criminal.

So by the time Cap and co. are ready to stop Zemo in Siberia, all straws have been pulled. Not only is Cap harboring international criminals who have murdered innocents on two occasions, but he has deliberately defied the Accords twice. He needs to be stopped. So Tony goes all out with the entire gang, maximum force, to ensure something like the Berlin incident doesn't occur again.

 

[GhaleonEB]

When you boys see you kissing dat hottie.

Probably my favorite moment in the film. I'd be down with a road trip movie with those three.

 

[Dalek]

Probably my favorite moment in the film. I'd be down with a road trip movie with those three.

Can you move your seat up?

 

[longdi]

Ultron came to life because Tony wanted to take the risk with the Scepter even though he fully knew that he had no idea what the Scepter technology was like. He took an unnecessary risk with a piece of technology that he himself was unfamiliar with. IIRC, he kind of coerced Banner to be on board with him because even he was a bit hesitant to work on a project where he'd be treading in unfamiliar territory.

How is Steve the one that didn't think things through when he fully found out that Zemo was behind Bucky being framed? It took Stark until the psychiatrist's death in Zemo's hotel to realize that Zemo was playing him the whole time. That's not being smart, he focused too much on apprehending the heroes that didn't sign the Sokovia Accords that he completely forgot about the possibility that other situations were possible. And that's the problem with signing with the Accords, whatever mission you're given is the one they want you to focus on. There's no space for thinking unless you're given new evidence.

The Ant-Man throwing the trailer doesn't matter at all. It's Tony's fault for bringing a kid to fight a war. At this point he cared only about the upper hand rather than the possibility that Peter could get hurt. In fact, like I said, the fact that Peter could have gotten hurt and ended up getting hurt is absurdly reckless of Tony. You would think after Avengers and Age of Ultron, that he'd be more understanding of how fights like these go.

Again, how is Cap being selfish? Jeremy Renner mentioned that the point of his character coming back was to repay a debt to Scarlett Witch after what happened to Quicksilver. If anything, it's selfless of Hawkeye to put his life at risk and pay it forward. Cap never forced him. That's a misconception.

Actually both sides have a point. Stark has a good point in saying that heroes need to be overseen by a third party (even if I have problems with the fact that he's saying this after a massive disaster happened BECAUSE of him). Cap also has a good point in that once you forfeit your freedom as a hero, where does it end? Especially when he saw a trusted organization like S.H.I.E.L.D. being corrupted by HYDRA. Not to mention, if you operate in a government's interests, then you could be prevented from helping people who need it the most. Which is terrible. The big problem is that none are willing to compromise, which is both a good and bad thing.




I think how the wrote him is a great way. You don't always need to be exact with the characters (though his plan is a bit of an asspull). In some ways, they kept him true to elements of the comics where Helmut Zemo took revenge on Captain America for killing his father, only expanded into a much larger desire for revenge after his family died in Sokovia.

There lies in the problem, Tony is always willing to experiment and givr a calculated chance so as to make things right, while cap likes to stick to his fists. Capt thinks just because he is a super hero, he is infallible, incorruptible, and by proxy the audience who are in team cap.

If only all avengers signed and sat down to solve problems the modern way, things won't have escalated and Tony won't have that deadline to bring cap in first. But Cap obviously think he is above the rest of the world, he don't trust the world, don't even trust Mr Tony. He shouldnt imposed his trust issues schitk on the others. So instead of a united avengers negotiating with the rest of a pacified world, he turned every avengers life upside down, and gave people like Ross greater justification to bring harder law and order.

Oh the main reason for him doing is because of bucky... fucking short sighted selfish hypocrite.

Btw I was referring to the scene when cap toss his shield and broke some support beam, causing some trailer crashing down on Spidey...what a dick


#Notworthy

 

[- J - D -]

Probably my favorite moment in the film. I'd be down with a road trip movie with those three.

Man that scene with the boys, Sharon, and the VW Beetle "getaway" car was so perfect. all the jokes land, and two of them were purely visual gags! I laughed more during that scene that I ever did during the Whedon films.