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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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I remember thinking Robert Redford was gonna end up being red skull in TWS
BronsonLee
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A looooot of people had that theory
nah it was only me
Orbis Tabula
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Red Skull would literally be the easiest character to recast in the whole of the MCU.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Still waiting for M̶O̶D̶O̶K̶ Zola's suit.
where is this from?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
They recast a big "face" hero like War Machine. I figure they'll recast Red Skull if they want to use the character.
Personally, my hope is that they're leaving Red Skull benched for a long time precisely because it would have more impact if he suddenly reappears from space after years and generations have past.
In fact, with the scenario set up by the MCU, Red Skull could be the evil Captain America - legendary villain who vanished in WWII, and suddenly returns having aged not a day.
Personally, my hope is that they're leaving Red Skull benched for a long time precisely because it would have more impact if he suddenly reappears from space after years and generations have past.
In fact, with the scenario set up by the MCU, Red Skull could be the evil Captain America - legendary villain who vanished in WWII, and suddenly returns having aged not a day.
Me too tho
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
The First Avenger.
Edit: Or was it Winter Solider, let me check.
Edit Edit: Yeah it was The First Avenger.
Flintty
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Holy shit is that him and was that in Winter Soldier?
Oeeeh
I can see it now;
Loki: "Moehahaha brother, you cherish your Midgard, but I have claimed the throne! And as the Allfather, I banish you to Niffleheim. Say hello to Hela for me!"
Thor: "Loki you biiiiiiiii-"
*Loki fends off Lady Siff, the Warrior Three and other Asgardians while he smugly sits on his throne"
Loki: "Ha, everything I ever wanted. Finally things are going my way"
"Ah, you have such small ambitions Asgardian. Just like the time you wanted to take over the Earth" *Thanos walks in* "Give me the cosmic cube. And the staff you borrowed"
Yeah... I can see this happening.
Glass Rebel
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Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
That's Zola's android suit
Oh shit I got them mixed up, my bad :lol
peanutbutterlatte
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I can see them working towards some sort of happy ending in Ragnarok... Then about 5 minutes before the end we just get Thanos arrive and utterly destroy Asgard.
Flintty
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That's Zola's android suit
Ah yeah, I thought it looked more Zola like. Still a hint that he could be back with a dumb suit
I think Modok would have to be done very dark to work properly otherwise he will come across as a camp Face of Boe.
SargerusBR
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How dare you say such things about Tony Stank
Reizo Ryuu
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You just described Cap, he's not a PR guy, he never was, he has beliefs and follows them, especially if that means preventing a friend getting killed. When bucky was "safe" he surrendered.
Reizo Ryuu
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lolwat, your biggest regret is you didn't get some tailor made scene you dreamt up as being cool that would involve two studios at odds to strike some sort of expensive deal?
This is clearly a joke right?
I would give anything for Thanos to declare himself King of Asgard and just sit in a lazy boy chair.
Flintty
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No joke, I like Deadpool and it would make me laugh. Problem?
Reizo Ryuu
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No problem, just hilarious you walked out of the theater going "oh man I liked this movie, but what really really sucked is how deadpool didn't look at a screen that showed the fight while delivering some line. Aside from being totally impossible because fox and marvel hate each other, and it's a super specific request and it would take all the momentum out of the fight, I sorely disliked that about this movie; why didn't you make it happen russos! *shakes fist*"
lmao.
Glass Rebel
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Ah yeah, I thought it looked more Zola like. Still a hint that he could be back with a dumb suit
The world ain't ready for Dimension Z.
Flintty
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I actually came out of the cinema pretty pumped, it's by far one of the best yet. That was Friday. I was thinking about Deadpool just now and the thought popped in so I thought I'd share.
And nothing is impossible where money is involved
If there's a character who can get away with hopping between universes it's Deadpool. I know it's unlikely at this stage but I did read a Russo interview where they talked about the possibility so who knows? Four years ago it was impossible for Spidey to show up.I'm glad you find it hilarious though, you have a very strange sense of humour.
Here's a link if you want a read of the article I mentioned: http://geektyrant.com/news/captain-america-civil-war-directors-want-deadpool-in-the-mcu
Palette Swap
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If he's talking about Infinity War, he should blame that misconception on, you know, their titles.
formasymphonic
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Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't true to his character (or the arc he's been on through his films). My point was Cap was all against the Accords and oversight in general, then did a pretty good job of showing why that very oversight might be necessary in the first place. And that undermines his stance / made him appear hypocritical etc.
Also I felt like there was no real sense of "lets talk about this Tony" regarding the accords, it all felt very "Your wrong Tony" / "We are like this now because of you" etc.
I can't remember the exact wording for it though but it was during their talk in the glass room where he refuses to sign and again when Tony is trying to convince him before they fight at the airport. I remember Tony was relatively jovial about it up until Cap said that and then he flipped.
[does anyone remember the rough or exact wording?] Tony says something along th lines of trying to stop the team from breaking apart and Cap is like "you did that when you signed".
Reizo Ryuu
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I actually came out of the cinema pretty pumped, it's by far one of the best yet. That was Friday. I was thinking about Deadpool just now and the thought popped in so I thought I'd share.
And nothing is impossible where money is involved
I'm glad you find it hilarious though, you have a very strange sense of humour.
Here's a link if you want a read of the article I mentioned: http://geektyrant.com/news/captain-america-civil-war-directors-want-deadpool-in-the-mcu
Well it doesn't really matter if they wanted him in, they don't control the IP's or are in any position to actually make deals with fox. And sony was never as adverse to marvel as fox is.
The point was moreso that your biggest regret was some highly specific scene as if it was to be expected; as if everyone shared that view, or the russos could look inside your brain.
That is indeed incredibly funny to me
The oversight you mentioned wanted bucky dead on sight, ofcourse cap is going to be against that, there's nothing hypocritical about this.
And he only refuses to sign because he finds out stark put wanda on house arrest, he was literally on the verge of signing before that.
Flintty
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The movies these 2 characters have been in put them exactly where they need to be for this fight.
Tony, eschewing any oversight or sharing with the team in AoU creates a pyschotic robotic AI. HE is absolutely ready (and needs) oversight.
Cap, has seen the oversight he worked for be infiltrated and taken over by those who wanted to kill millions at a time. He is absolutely against being controlled by a group that could be like that again.
I can see why people are Team Cap or Team Iron Man, but I don't think either team was portrayed as being 100% correct in the movie.
Glass Rebel
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Steve was ready to sign the accords until he found out that Tony basically put Wanda under house arrest. I thought that exchange was pretty powerful because it showed how desperate Tony was to make this work at all costs with Steve on the other side not willing to compromise on his ideals.
Just saw it again. Didn't think any more of it. The 3D is OK.
Things I picked up on this time:
Things I picked up on this time:
- Tony signed the accords to win over Pepper(?)
- Zemo's plan assumes that Bucky is a travelling distance away from the Vienna explosion. There was the possibility he was too far away from Vienna to be the bomber. Zemo is lucky that Bucky is in Bucharest.
- They recreate the cover of the Civil War comic during the final fight. I was wondering why they lingered on it so long the first time.
- Zemo gets lucky that Bucky breaks out of his cage when he does. Any sooner he'd be knocked out by Bucky, any later Bucky would be stuck in the container (assuming a power outage doesn't unlock it, which it wouldn't).
formasymphonic
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The orders for DoS are because he's a known ultra dangerous combatant with special abilities. From their PoV a regular police/swat force can't really afford to go easy against someone like him.
An Avenger-tier force can go in and get him without needing to be prepared to kill but can regular forces? As I said, its not out OoC for Cap to want to protect his friend Bucky, but in the same way Cap isn't happy about acting under anyone else's orders or agendas anymore - he has no more right to impose an agenda of his own on anyone else. Its all about perspective.
[Sidenote:] As for killing in the movies in general, I've always felt thats kind of a moot point as its not like the heroes themselves have a no-kill policy
Also in the news they were calling out for Wanda specifically for the Lagos thing - What other options do they have for her?
(Anyway I don't think we are going to agree - I'm sure these same comments are things others have stated earlier in the thread in the same cyclical arguments)
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I agree with this absolutely. I am very aware of where their Ars Technica have taken them over the course of the last few films and both have valid points (which makes the conflict have meaning)...
...but this sentiment was something I picked up on through the film. Combine it with the events that unfold and is why I walked in not really caring about a side but came out of it leaning toward Tony's side of it.
You didn't pick that up during the first viewing? It was pretty neat.
One of the few things that's actually cool about the Civil War comic. I've read it again this weekend and man it's so bad. I read the Battleworlds Civil War comic (part of the Secret Wars tie-ins) as well and that's far more enjoyable than the original event.
Wolverine Hulk owwww yeah.
rockman zx
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Saw it today, really liked it, Black Panther and Spidey simply perfect in my opinion, I expected something more from the ending though,
Reizo Ryuu
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When does he impose his own agenda on anyone else? He doesn't berate widow or anyone else for signing, nor does he ask her for help.
Sam and Sharon help him because they believe in the same things, heck he even warns Sharon that they will come for her. She's cool with it because she believes the same things, heck she's the one that delivered the speech that solidified Cap's resolve.
He's pretty much sitting on the sidelines/mourning peggy until the kill order, the motivations of oversight don't matter, Cap will never let a friend die.
He intervenes from getting bucky killed and chases after him to stop him, and surrenders when he feels bucky is safe.
Sam and Cap even discuss calling tony to deal with what bucky told them about the 5 other winter soldiers, but come to the conclusion that stark won't believe them, and he's right, stark brushes that shit off like nonsense and has spider-man grab his shield.
Cap is as straightforward as they come and does anything but impose his agenda on others.
He killed himself, unless you meant "the movie" killed him.
Don't think they're gonna do anything with Zemo, he wasn't much of a super villian, just like an extremist vigilante, i mean, he was gonna off himself and all.
Man, this movie was so good, my absolutely fave part was Ant-Man turning giant, hypest moment and amazing quips came out of it.
I want to go see it again too, just to see if I like it better. It seems like 90% of the posters itt like it, feels weird to be down on it.
Zola isn't dead. There are backups...
formasymphonic
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Protecting Bucky is his agenda. To us on the outside it's obvious there is a larger game being played, but all he knows at that point is there was a bombing at the UN and the footage shows that "The Winter Soldier", a known Hydra assassin, was the cause.
He knows the authorities are going to go after "Winter Soldier" and he decides that he is willing to use his own force (against advice from fellow avenger BW) to stop them from doing that because he wants to save his friend. If it was Crossbones or one of his team or some other random villain, would Cap have gone out of his way to for them? As you said, Cap isn't the type to let a friend die — but is that not a personal agenda? And is he not imposing it?
It's not until after Cap + Bucky beat the ship of out a swat team, steal a car and bike, Bucky blows up the roof of a tunnel, they all get stopped by War Machine and more cops and Bucky is brought in for psych eval that Cap / Sharon realise that its possible Bucky might not be behind it.
Thor's only purpose in AoU is to advertise upcoming movies. Also smash some robots at the end, I guess. That aspect really annoyed me rewatching it. Like, everyone else gets a pretty cool scene revealing their deepest fears and anxieties. Thor gets a commercial for Ragnarok. It made no sense and takes me out of the movie.
This film really peaks with that airport sequence. Quality of everything else is immaterial, word of mouth on that sequence will get this to a billion easy.
Flat out the best superhero fight scene to date. Funny, sad, exciting, heartwarming and filled with little character beats.
Flat out the best superhero fight scene to date. Funny, sad, exciting, heartwarming and filled with little character beats.
Reizo Ryuu
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No that's not what an agenda is, an agenda are underlying motives, nothing about what cap does has some other underlying motive. He goes to save bucky because they want to kill him, it's entirely reactionary.
An agenda would be what widow does at the end of the airport fight, stating that she would help find him, but not catch him.
Imposing it would mean expecting others to follow against their will, he doesn't expect anyone to follow in his quest, if sam and sharon bailed on him, he would've still fought for his friend solo.
The accords were imposed on them. Stark imposed house arrest on wanda.
And all he does during the apartment fight is stopping them from putting holes in bucky, there are many times throughout that fight, especially during the staircase, where the cops have a shot lined up and cap stops it. Meanwhile he's also trying to subdue bucky himself.
All he wants to do is keep bucky alive, he's not fighting the cops to keep him out of jail. This is also why it doesn't matter if bucky bombed the UN or not, cap is fine with bucky being given a proper trial (he even asks for a lawyer), he's not fine with him being killed.
Heck it's one of the reasons he nearly signs because stark tells him this way they can keep bucky here instead of transferring him to wakanda.
BronsonLee
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If they were one and done with Zemo he would've shot himself
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