The other not dead guys werent brought back either... Depends I think. Maybe when Masters of Evil really become a thing.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Gordon Shumway
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Linkstrikesback
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Eh, it could be argued that it was for the sake of black panther development rather than any desire to use Zemo again.
Unlike other marvel villians, he actually achieved his goal.
Palette Swap
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That or Thunderbolts I guess, although there wouldn't be that many villains to redeem. Still, the way they characterized Zemo, a redemption arc from villain to anti-hero wouldn't be impossible. At least he doesn't have that nazi baggage. And Brühl is a great actor.
Hell, I'd have a Bucky-Zemo movie built around an unlikely alliance between them.
Perfection. Biggest laugh in the whole film.
Gordon Shumway
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They had a funny Ralph and Sam relationship..the "job" being Cap's best friend. Was great stuff. Subtle, for the most part..
Yautja_Warrior
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Yeah very funny moment but in the 2 showings I was in, the crowd laughed more at Spider-Man's "Holy Shit" reaction to Ant-Man going Giant-Man and him catching Bucky's punch and saying "You have a metal arm, that is awesome"
Ein Bear
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That scene where Tony sees the video is perfect. It's one thing to be told that Bucky murdered his parents, but to actually see it? The whole final conflict is really well done. Bucky is Cap's best friend and wasn't in his right mind, but...
"I don't care. He killed my Mom."
You really do completely empathise with both sides. Stark just watched that fucker beat his Dad to death and strangle his Mum.
"I don't care. He killed my Mom."
You really do completely empathise with both sides. Stark just watched that fucker beat his Dad to death and strangle his Mum.
Seeing the final moments with Zemo in this movie, I thought it was pretty obvious that he'd probably return sometime in the future, or at least they left the door wide open for that to happen. I mean, he was put into one of those cube-thingies Bucky already broke out of. Not like he's in some extremely secure location that some powered villain couldn't help him out of quite easily.
peanutbutterlatte
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Absolutely. It doesn't even matter that Stark saw mind-control with his own eyes four years prior; he's standing a few feet from the guy that killed his parents in cold blood.
Glass Rebel
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When the video starts and Tony shouts "what is this?!".
The panic in his voice.
You knew shit was about to go down.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Glass Rebel
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I would lose my shit if they gave him a rapier in Cap 4.
Do it Marvel.
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Civil War Producer, Nate Moore: Both Bruhl and Freemans characters serve a purpose in this film, but, like Black Panther, theyre setting up a future film.
They havent figured out how to balance their storytelling with the TV storytelling yet. They dont want to interfere with TV shows and vice-versa.
I can help. Daredevil and/or Kingpin in Spiderman: Homecoming.
it's implied that they had a falling out. someone was supposed to remove her name from the teleprompter but didn't. Tony was upset about seeing her name
BronsonLee
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Cause she dumped his simp ass once she realized how fucking awesome she was when she had Extremis
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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The guy from MIT apologized that he didn't follow the memo that Pepper wouldn't be there and forgot to alter the teleprompter.
Do it Marvel.
Edit: Quotes from a Collider article
Also:
What is this from>?
Stahp
BronsonLee
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How pissed would YOU be if you had superpowers and your boyfriend took them away?!
I really hope Paltrow cameo's in the future, she doesn't even have to get back with Tony.
turns out she killed Uncle Ben. Spider-man: Homecoming cameo confirmed
Extremis seemed unstable as fuck. If Tony was MY bf, I would fucking tell him to make me a suit and become Rescue!
BewareTheBatsie
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Absolutely savage.
Gordon Shumway
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Absolutely savage.
Laughed hard as fuck right there..
One way to view the ideological differences between Cap and Stark is what events have most shaped their stances.
For Stark, Ultron/Sokovia weighs heaviest on his mind. He feels personally responsible and probably doesn't trust his own leadership any more. Everything in Ultron was his doing, and the deaths and damage were on him.
For Cap, the events from Winter Soldier would be most pressing. At the start of the film, he was seriously questioning being SHIELD's errand boy, never knowing the real reason of why he was doing each mission and hated being lied to. Then when SHIELD and the World Security Council was shown to be a front for Hydra, his distrust of agencies/governments/committees would be massive.
The Laos explosion clarified this difference. Cap felt that the collateral damage was not due to negligence or abuse of power, but the fact you can't always save everyone. Stark viewed it as more deaths from the actions of the Avengers and they need a higher power to be ultimately responsible.
I'd read this quote (or one similar) before watching the film. With it, and the lack of Zemo in any promo material, I was fully expecting Zemo to be another Klaw. One or two scenes, setting up the character for future films.
CW is free of major spoilers or twists, but just how central Zemo was to the film, and how much screen time he got, was the biggest surprise. In a good way. He was a fantastic inclusion.
Reizo Ryuu
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PhoncipleBone
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The accords mean Tony has to make more armors. Plans leak.
Iron Man 4: Armor Wars
Iron Man 4: Armor Wars
BronsonLee
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T'Challa basically told Clint to go fuck himself and his stupid bow staff
Zero patience for a peasant
Zero patience for a peasant
PhoncipleBone
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What giants do.
Wouldn't the grenade have killed not only cap and crossbones, but also Wanda and a bunch of other bystanders?
She did the right thing, but she wasnt ready for "minimizing" deaths rather than "avoiding" deaths.
Oh man, now I remember the only glaringly stupid part of CW. When Black Widow somehow manages to survive being sealed into an armoured truck with a grenade. The explosion was enough to blow the armoured doors open, but she just walks it off.
Reizo Ryuu
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Btw I've talked about this with my friends, but I haven't seen it discussed here.
My favourite "Cap" moment in this movie is when stark tells him to stay down and he replies he "can do this all day", which then leads to bucky giving him the opening he needs.
Complete parallel to the alley fight with the bully in first avenger.
Bombjacket*. Wanda could've prolly shielded herself, but yes.
My favourite "Cap" moment in this movie is when stark tells him to stay down and he replies he "can do this all day", which then leads to bucky giving him the opening he needs.
Complete parallel to the alley fight with the bully in first avenger.
Bombjacket*. Wanda could've prolly shielded herself, but yes.
I think it just means his role in Cap3 is to cause the breakup thus setting new status quo for future films.
razzmahtazz
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That still wouldn't save her if the resulting explosion blew open the doors.
The Russos are generally the best of the Marvel directors at showing injury sustained by the heroes. The amount of abuse and impact that Iron Man takes, barley leaves a mark in other films. But he got beat up good and proper. Black eyes, cuts, contusions.
The grenade bit just feel needlessly stupid.
razzmahtazz
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endlessflood
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That's a great summary.
I'm suprised that the subject of New York, when the 'powers that be' wanted to nuke the entire city rather than use the avengers, was never brought up or addressed during the first Ross meeting. Ross was arguing that oversight was needed and used New York as an example, which made absolutely no sense given that the overseers in that example advocated for nuking the entire city... I know that the accords called for a much larger group (the various nations) being in charge, but New York was still a terrible example. Ross should have left it out
I totally missed that, good pick up.
Yup. Mid credits and Post credits.
I am kinda traumatized because when Avengers started showing before the EUA the first month the copies didn't had the Shawarma scene ....
PhoncipleBone
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And leaving out Baron Von Strucker? For shame.
Having said that, Baron Zemo is the superior Baron anyways.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
man it still bothers me, even in stuff like tokusatsu... You have a ranged weapon, do not engage in melee unless it's the most absolute!
At least it's not pants-on-stupid Kamen Rider Ryugen "I have a gun weapon but will prefer to use it as a bludgeon".
Also I thought Zemo was not associated with Hydra?
Oh right, I forgot about Abomination. There's also The Leader.
Goddamnit make a Hulk movie already!
Zola seems more like a henchman than anything else though.
I was referring to the major baddie, though I bet Nebula will be a major force in the second film.
I forgot, but was Red Skull exposed to the stone? I know he was using it as a power source but I don't think he outright held it.
At least it's not pants-on-stupid Kamen Rider Ryugen "I have a gun weapon but will prefer to use it as a bludgeon".
Also I thought Zemo was not associated with Hydra?
Oh right, I forgot about Abomination. There's also The Leader.
Goddamnit make a Hulk movie already!
Zola seems more like a henchman than anything else though.
I was referring to the major baddie, though I bet Nebula will be a major force in the second film.
I forgot, but was Red Skull exposed to the stone? I know he was using it as a power source but I don't think he outright held it.
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