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Carmack: Doom 4 will launch on 3DVDs/1 Blu Ray
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Eel O'Brian
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Decarb said:
If so, it's good to know they're open to that solution. It's not that I mind getting up to switch discs (I don't), but I think it would certainly go a long way towards solving the whole "breaking up or scaling back huge open world games to fit the media" problem.
goldenpp72
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dojokun said:
Yes i'm sure rockstar is going to put gta5 on ps3 only when gta4 360 outsold the ps3 easily and has 2 exclusive dlcs out or on the way, only to then later put it on ps3 only.
Anyone remember soul calibur 3?
CrushDance
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This whole thread...
Has such wonderful logic being used that I wonder why it's never applied in the same manner to other games released across 360/Ps3/PC. Bravo.
Has such wonderful logic being used that I wonder why it's never applied in the same manner to other games released across 360/Ps3/PC. Bravo.
Easily? I don't think selling half is "easy". Speaking of which, what are GTA4's sales at these days anyway?goldenpp72 said:
goldenpp72
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dojokun said:
Isn't agent an MMO? These titles seem to not be arriving on xbox at all.
InterMoniker
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bu.. bu.. bu.. but blu-ray is pointless right xbox fans? :lol hahahaha Carmack must be a sony fan huh? :lol
it must be a money hat./sarcasm
it must be a money hat./sarcasm
lemon__fresh
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jett said:
megatexturing... yawn!!! Now we get to use one big texture instead of a few small ones. How about improved animation,ai,physics all things that have been lacking in previous ID titles.
lemon__fresh
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It was the same when Doom 3 came out and then got compared to HL2 (released in the same year). The graphics sure looked shiny... and thats about it.
InterMoniker
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Good point but what if each dvd is 7gb 7x3 = 21gb that wouldn't fit on a 20gb HDD.Sysgen said:
BD games on PC? I thought Carmack said a while ago that they were going to do that with Rage and Doom 4 but I'm not 100% sure if they will or not.
test_account
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Will the PC version of Doom 4 also come on a Bluray disc?
By the way, does any PC game excist on a Bluray disc?
By the way, does any PC game excist on a Bluray disc?
InterMoniker
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What the fuck are you talking about? I never said the game won't be on your xbox I'm just saying that blu-ray is great for big games.segarr said:
MvmntInGrn
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So many people taking sides in this thread.
Someone start the popcorn!
Someone start the popcorn!
I think this is a bit diffrent thou. New IP's are often made exclusive for one platform to save money and people. If it is successful you can just port it later on. Just look at games like:dojokun said:
- Dead Rising
- Saints Row
- Bioshock
- Overlord
- Lost Planet
- Okami
- Viewitful Joe
- Resident Evil
- Klonoa
- The Sims
- Call of Juarez
etc
BravoSuperStar
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No PC games on blu-ray yet. Xp and Vista can be somewhat temperamental with blu-ray's, but windows 7 has native blu-ray support built in.
I'd wager there is a good chance by the time doom 4 ships there will be a blu-ray PC version available.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW SONY FANS??
Just kidding, but to declare your console version superior cause it's on 1 disc instead of 2, while having to make all the same graphic/filtering compromises as the 360 to get it to run is pretty funny.
I'd wager there is a good chance by the time doom 4 ships there will be a blu-ray PC version available.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW SONY FANS??
Just kidding, but to declare your console version superior cause it's on 1 disc instead of 2, while having to make all the same graphic/filtering compromises as the 360 to get it to run is pretty funny.
test_account
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Ok, thanks for the infoSuperEnemyCrab said:
Ye, maybe there will be a Bluray PC version of Doom 4 as well as you say I don't think it's declaring it superior. Just disproving the argument that Blu-Ray is useless, like this comment:SuperEnemyCrab said:
You see, one could also argue that DVD is not needed cause you can just have multiple CDs. The bottom line is to stay ahead of the curve, not behind it.segarr said:
Poor analogy because we don't see games coming out on dozens of discs like you saw toward the end of CD or compact disc's run.dojokun said:
Also, I don't see your point on bottom line. The bottom line for Nintendo was to keep their system as simple and cheap as possible and to bring in as many non-gamers as they could. The bottom line for MS was to launch first, erode the 3rd party support gap that existed between the Xbox and PS2, and to continue to expand their very successful Xbox Live service. If Sony's bottom line was to stay ahead of the curve technologically, they have certainly succeed with Blu Ray. In doing so however, they have lost their 3rd party edge, lost billions of dollars, and will lose this console generation. Looking at NPD sales threads, Sony seems to have conquered the "bottom line" indeed.
First, this generation of gaming isn't over. If there are games on 3 DVDs in 2009, who knows how many DVDs another game might ship out on at the end of this generation.segarr said:
Second, no one's disputing the fact that Sony is in 3rd place. That's not what this thread is about. We're just talking about 1 thing here: whether or not Blu-Ray offered any advantages over DVD this generation. Many gamers claimed it did not.
Third, the reason why they lost 3rd party support is because of the complexities of CELL, not because of Blu-Ray.
test_account
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I guess they mean that 1 disc is superior as in then you dont have to swap disc(s)SuperEnemyCrab said:
"Superior" might sounds like one version is much better than the other though, but i agree that it is nice to not having to swap disc(s), but that said, since Doom 4 is suppose to a pretty linear game, i guess that swapping 2-3 times or so shouldnt really be any big problems, at least in my opinion BravoSuperStar
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test_account said:I guess they mean that 1 disc is superior as in then you dont have to swap disc(s)
Swapping could be minimized by having 2 dvd's installed to the HDD and then the audio stream from the 3rd disc, as well.
But lets be honest, if blu-ray wasn't associated with Doom 4 a lot of these Sony fans wouldn't care about it and just call it another bland space marine FPS.
Steve Youngblood
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I think this silly argument can be written off as the following:LosDaddie said:
1. More storage space CAN BE advantageous for a variety of different reasons.
2. It doesn't have to be (though it might) be that big of a deal.
The PS3 often isn't the target platform for multi-platform games, so the advantages of Blu-Ray are often mitigated by the fact that developers can't go balls to the wall and forget that they have to release this thing on DVD(s) as well. If the PS3 was performing on par with the PS2, this might have been a big deal. As it stands, it really doesn't amount to a whole hell of a lot. Still, more storage space is NEVER a bad thing.
Steve Youngblood
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Blu-Ray IS better than DVD9. That doesn't make the system itself superior. But in that one aspect, yes, it is better.LosDaddie said:
test_account
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Ye, that is true, but will there be a feature like this for the Xbox 360 version? Doesnt every game that is installed on a Xbox 360 harddrive now needs the disc inserted in the Xbox 360 console as well? (I think that this makes sense though. If you didnt need the disc inserted in the Xbox 360 console after that the game was installed to the harddrive, then it would probably be possible to just rent and/or borrow a game from a friend or so, and then install the game to the harddrive and then return the game disc back). The Xbox 360 harddisk install feature is relatively new though, so maybe there havnt been enough multi-disc Xbox 360 games yet that could take advatange of an install feature like this.SuperEnemyCrab said:
Ye, that might have been the case indeed. But i think it is nice that Bluray has an advantage of only being one disc thoughSuperEnemyCrab said:
I remember about 2-3 years ago or so when many people said that Bluray wasnt needed at all and that DVD was enough for this console generation. In general this has been true though since most console games has only been on 1 DVD so far, but i think it is nice that someone seems to take advantage of the extra space that a Bluray disc has to offer compared to the space that a DVD disc has to offer I havnt read all the post in this thread, but maybe this is is the point that poeple wanted to make, that Bluray has the advantage of only being on 1 disc so you dont have to swap discs. But swaping discs in a linear game shouldnt really be that much of a probelm though, at least in my opinion. But i think that it is nice to not having to swap discs as well
EDIT: I added some text.
Steve Youngblood
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I know I sleep better when I see my corporation of choice selling more hardware than the competition.segarr said:
Death Dealer
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LosDaddie said:
From what I've read, the speed is a wash. 12x DVD's peak speed is faster than 2x BD but it's slower reading from the inside of the disc. When you average the transfer speed across the entire surface area, X2 BD is slightly faster. Seek times and how the disc is authored come into play as well. Capacity is the only meaningful distinction IMO.