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Carmack: Doom 4 will launch on 3DVDs/1 Blu Ray
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Guilty Conscience
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expy said:
I was under the impression that Houser likes to talk a lot, and that in this industry only Microsoft's moneyhats talk. After all, GTA4's release was prefaced by the biggest circle jerk ever seen.
All this talk of Doom 4 is swell, its just we haven't even had a hands-on taste of what idTech 5 is capable of. The tech behind it sounds so good and I want Doom 4 more than just about anything .....yet .... arghhh I just need MOAR. Dammit Carmack, crack that whip and show us the goodness already. Those demo videos just aren't enough.
Oh and day 1. PS3 version here.
Oh and day 1. PS3 version here.
BravoSuperStar
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Hopefully they release a special edition or something on blu-ray for PC, but since it's going on the hard drive it's a minor issue. As usual the PC version wins all around, but with an ID game that shouldn't surprise anyone.
MvmntInGrn
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I don't think this is an issue for most open world games, I'm not sure how big RAGEs world will be but Bethesda has said they had no issue with getting Oblivion to fit on a DVD9 for 360(the game likely uses repeating elements and whatnot). Its an issue here due to the megatexture technology they are using, from what I understand everything you see in the games environment will be unique and un-repeating(this takes up a lot of space, but can be done without worrying about a performance hit at all), unlike most open world games.MirageDwarf said:
It'll only likely become an issue for console multiplat games if more developers decide to use this type of technology for open-world games (in respects to it limiting the games structure). More DVDs is always an option if the experience is linear (which is what I think they are trying to say about Doom 4 as being easier to split up).
Sho_Nuff82
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MrJollyLivesNextDoor said:
The game looks 'identical' across all platforms, with the exception of some off color settings on PS3. This is the most recent preview build seen by any publication.
I think some of you are going to be sorely disappointed if you hang your hats on this being the multiplat game to finally validate BluRay and Cell, they don't mention any dev problems with the 360 version in this build.
Broadbandito
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MvmntInGrn said:
well they said rage is more linear too
There's nothing specifically in that blurb that counters what Carmack said earlier about 'you might find a blurrier rock' or whatever.
I dunno what the current state of play is, or if that's how it'll actually end up - what Carmack said at one point in development may not necessarily end up being true by the end - but the GI blurb isn't very telling of any change to what he said before. I doubt they went looking for the level of difference Carmack suggested.
In the end I'm sure they'll all look quite the same overall, but there are insane people who literally examine games on a per-pixel level for differences, and I doubt this game will be any different, whichever way the comparisons fall.
As for this game 'validating' blu-ray or cell..I wouldn't go suggesting that, particularly 'cell' since it's not flavour of the month for Carmack :lol But their GENERAL approach in iD tech 5, an extremely data heavy approach, does 'validate' blu-ray to the extent that it's one of the first very obvious third party approaches to next-gen development that actually uses a lot of data storage. Without specifically talking about any resultant games or how they turn out (since other factors beyond storage could weigh into affect the final result), the general approach does mesh with any solution that offers more data storage, and that Blu-ray does.
I dunno what the current state of play is, or if that's how it'll actually end up - what Carmack said at one point in development may not necessarily end up being true by the end - but the GI blurb isn't very telling of any change to what he said before. I doubt they went looking for the level of difference Carmack suggested.
In the end I'm sure they'll all look quite the same overall, but there are insane people who literally examine games on a per-pixel level for differences, and I doubt this game will be any different, whichever way the comparisons fall.
As for this game 'validating' blu-ray or cell..I wouldn't go suggesting that, particularly 'cell' since it's not flavour of the month for Carmack :lol But their GENERAL approach in iD tech 5, an extremely data heavy approach, does 'validate' blu-ray to the extent that it's one of the first very obvious third party approaches to next-gen development that actually uses a lot of data storage. Without specifically talking about any resultant games or how they turn out (since other factors beyond storage could weigh into affect the final result), the general approach does mesh with any solution that offers more data storage, and that Blu-ray does.
Broadbandito
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Minsc said:
probably one of the smartest posts in here. I don't understand why blu-ray means a better game
Open world games can cause a problem becaus eof the DVD limit. Luckily that doesnt bother me as I get bored of open world games, I`d rather have a linear (or semi linear) game that takes you straight to the fun parts of the game, than walking around a boring open world looking for something to do. ProtoType, Red Faction, GTA4, Oblivion all got boring after awhile, I never got to finish any of them games.
Minsc said:
Any pc build will have been running off a HDD i.e. for all intents and purposes and practically unlimited data store (that's also, helpfully, a lot faster than a DVD or blu-ray drive).
And when it does ship, don't think any 3 DVD PC version will be the same as a 3 DVD 360 version, data wise. They'll be able to use more space and compress much more aggressively on the PC discs since it'll all get unpacked onto your HDD during install. They won't be able to pack things so tightly on the discs if a game is running off the discs directly.
The PC version should (hopefully - as there's no reason why not) have the best 'data quality' along with the best potential as far as processing, rendering quality, resolution, AA etc. I would not say the 360's 'data quality' will be comparable just because they both ship on the same number of discs. Neither console will compare on the other things (processing, rendering etc.) vs the potential of the PC version, though PS3 might have a shot from a 'data quality' POV, or at least get a bit closer. I'm confident though, that what Carmack says about there not being any big differences will hold true at least as far as the console versions are concerned.
Lion Heart
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gofreak said:
Ya, PCs do technically have unlimited storage for games but I think developers still try to minimize data or use some kind of compression. I dont think a game would fair well if it was 30+ gigs in size (reputation wise). Whats the biggest PC game available atm?
Houston3000
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Well if you have a good enough computer to run the game well than you obviously buy the PC version (or hell, the Mac version), anything else would be pretty stupid, especially for an id game. The problem is a lot of people have shitty computers or laptops and have to choose between the PS3 or 360 version.
From what I've heard it seems the PS3 version is the one to buy but I'll hold my tongue, knowing that multiplatform games usually get shafted on the PS3 unfortunately
From what I've heard it seems the PS3 version is the one to buy but I'll hold my tongue, knowing that multiplatform games usually get shafted on the PS3 unfortunately
goldenpp72
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LosDaddie said:
3 years? More like 5 isn't it
crimsonheadGCN
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Lion Heart said:
Age of Conan is the biggest PC game atm I believe. The install is around 30GB.
Broadbandito
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LosDaddie said:
no, I would say that MGS4 used BR correctly though.
brain_stew
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MirageDwarf said:
Which is a factor that pales into comparison in trying to fit an ambitious modern game into a pitiful 256MB of RAM. The PS3, the 360 and low end PCs are all holding this and every other game back in some way, the 360 isn't a special case here.
crimsonheadGCN
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Vorador said:
:O
Damn.
"God's Beard!"
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Why would blu-ray be necessary in this case? I'd think the pain of having to swap DVDs would be offset by having a better optimized game, which in all likelyhood will be the 360 version. The only advantage of blu-ray is space, so I don't see why it could be necessary for gameplay in any real way, except for the fact that there's extra charge for multi-disc 360 games and you can't require the HDD.Firewire said:
Of course, the PC version will be the best and negate all advantages of blu-ray, but it's not even worth mentioning since it goes without saying.
goldenpp72
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Yeah, ps3 is great and all as hardware, but it is kind of a double edged sword, I mean, it has technology built in for the future which will probably be needed (or something of equivilant) but by the time it starts being really, fully used, new consoles will be out. It's kind of similar feeling to the xbox versus gamecube, aside nintendos (common) silly use of a format, the gamecube was a really refined, polished and well thought out device that was catered very specifically to the times it existed through, the xbox is sorta like that but more cluster fucked, and ps3 is just filled with too much stuff developers don't seem to need yet.
LosDaddie said:
There are any number of games where the devs have claimed 'need' for space beyond a DVD (and varying levels of debate subsequent to those claims), but this would be the first higher profile third party multi-plat game/engine I can think of where the need for great amounts of data is very thoroughly driven home.
However, like I say, there are already out there games that do fill the disk, and not just with audio or padding. I'm sure upcoming games like UC2 are pretty data-heavy themselves too.
God's Beard said:
In this case, you'd have to find a time in the game where it is possible to stop it and allow for a swap to take place. In the future, I don't know if developers will want to be held back by the "I have to cut the game at some place to fit it onto multiple media" issue.
expy said:
You don't have to wait for the future, that's a decision iD already took with Rage. They wanted to split it on more discs to allow them to use more data, but there was no way to do that the way the game is, so it's coming on 2. Carmack would have preferred 3, and all that implies (whatever it is he had in terms of for what the extra data would give him).
Need is very relative though. I could say Rage needed more data storage to be true to what Carmack wanted, but someone else might argue it wasn't necessary if they can cut to make it fit 2. So a lot depends on what one means by 'need'. But clearly, whatever Carmack had in his head for 3 discs does need more data than the Rage we're getting on 2.
lemon__fresh
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It would be nice if Carmack stopped focusing so much on upping texture resolution and graphical fidelity and maybe tried doing something completely new or innovative with his engines. Then I could see more of a point to using up so much space.
gamergirly
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Besides the obvious storage limits, I always feel like (HD)DVDs versus BluRay disc analysis to be largely one sided
"God's Beard!"
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New and innovative with an engine? You mean like completely eliminating texture restrictions? Because that'd be a sight to see.lemon__fresh said:
Minsc said:
wtf , how do you know that Ps3 versions of RAGE/DOOM4 are inferior ?
anyway...many Sony first party games fill 20-25 blu-ray discs..
and many third party games put DTS/ 7.1 uncompressed soundtracks on PS3 versions exclusively because of the big available disc space and this is important for audiophile gamers and people with thx 7.1 systems.
Not surprised at all. Bizarre mentioned they couldn't make night/day races on certain levels because the DVD was holding them back (PGR4). I'd love to see what the 360 is capable of with a blu-ray drive.
But the enlightening thing is developers have never complained about the 360's power against the PS3, it has always been about disc capacity.
But the enlightening thing is developers have never complained about the 360's power against the PS3, it has always been about disc capacity.