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Chancellor Merkel's approval rating rises, could very well remain Chancellor

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Gambit

Member
The title made me chuckle "Merkel could very well remain Chancellor".

There is absolutely zero doubt at all that she will remain chancellor.

Schulz has almost become a non-entity in the media, because he has no current relevance besides being the candidate.

I still believe Gabriel let Schulz run a losing race while he secured himself a great office he can keep after the elections.
 

Randam

Member
I think a lot of people miss how offputting Schulz's shtick is to longtime SPD voters.

Anecdotal, sure, but my parents, both livelong SPD voters(my mother voted green on occasion) can't stand him and his hot air populism. They'll vote for the CDU today and come September literally for the first time in their lives (and because NRW's SPD-Green coalition wasn't particularly great).

I certainly won't vote for him either.

isnt it about what the party stands for?
 

TDLink

Member
Trudeau is doing okay leading the free world.

Even if we wanted to pretend that anything Canada did mattered to the world at large, Trudeau is absolutely not "doing okay". He's a terrible leader who got elected (and continues to be well liked to people who don't know what they're talking about) purely on his family name and good looks. He's a meme leader. He has done a few good things but largely his actual policies stink. Obviously there needed to be a change from Harper but Canada can do -a lot- better than Trudeau.
 

danthefan

Member
16 years is way too much.

One re-election (like in the US) is the right thing to do imo

But she made a good job so far...

It's a very different form of government compared to the US​ though. And who says the US is right anyway? They've just gone from Obama to Donald Trump.
 

G.ZZZ

Member
What a disaster. We needed a reformer, not another Merkel chanchellorate. We're not gonna get out of this shitty european situation by staying on the same road as we are now.

You were the chosen one Schulz!
 
16 years of Merkel isn't necessarily "good" because it again demonstrates the shit situation of German politics.

A lot of the parties that are members of Party of European Socialists is utter shit right now with their platform and to win votes, with the exception of Sweden's SAP and Portugal's Socialist Party - although not perfect or a good left platform, at least is better than our SPD and France's PS for example...
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
What a disaster. We needed a reformer, not another Merkel chanchellorate. We're not gonna get out of this shitty european situation by staying on the same road as we are now.

You were the chosen one Schulz!

I prefer Schulz, but she has recognized the need for change. She just recently changed her opinion on a european financial budget.
 
I prefer Schulz, but she has recognized the need for change. She just recently changed her opinion on a european financial budget.

The problem, at least in my opinion is, that her whole strategy most of the time is "Wait and see", even when you need a quick decision.

Though I would be okay with it if she is chancellor again.
 

Joni

Member
She should stay the most powerful woman in the world. And she needs to work with Macron. She always does well when there is a French leader that can act.
 

Xando

Member
12 years, 1.5 million refugees and a financial crisis later she still has a better approval rating than most politicians.

I don't like her party too much but Merkel has been chancellor for most of my life and she earned a ton of respect for her refugee decision from me.
 
Seems like there is also a bit of a lack of good options in Germany at the moment for the role. I'd be ok with Merkel again, she has done fine.
 
Never voted for her and I doubt I will for the rest of my life, but tbh we could have it worse. Fucking austerity is a dead end street, but apart from that she is bearable in comparison to so many other politicians in the present and the past. (Fuck you Helmut Kohl, you corrupt cunt.)
 
Never voted for her and I doubt I will for the rest of my life, but tbh we could have it worse. Fucking austerity is a dead end street, but apart from that she is bearable in comparison to so many other politicians in the present and the past. (Fuck you Helmut Kohl, you corrupt cunt.)

We still have a finance minister who was involved in a donation scandal and who would love to always introduce laws which are against the German constitution.
 
12 years, 1.5 million refugees and a financial crisis later she still has a better approval rating than most politicians.

I don't like her party too much but Merkel has been chancellor for most of my life and she earned a ton of respect for her refugee decision from me.

Alternatives are Schultz and AfD - no wonder people want to vote her.
 
We still have a finance minister who was involved in a donation scandal and who would love to always introduce laws which are against the German constitution.

Sure, he's disgusting. But there was a point in time he was likely to become chancellor so we really dodged a bullet there. So that is why I think Merkel is a lesser evil compared to so many other crooks. (Seehofer, anyone? ;-))
 

Rektash

Member
I think you more likely hear it from voters from the AfD or old folks. I hear A LOT of old folks hating on her....

Yep, this feels mostly true. The "there is no way Merkel will ever win again as everyone hates her" t-online news comment section crowd tries their hardest to push this narration. It just doesn't happen to reflect reality.
 

w3bba

Member
While I would like to see some change on the top, I am fine with more Merkel.
There simply arent any alternative candidates currently that have the same weight on the worldwide stage.
 
While I would like to see some change on the top, I am fine with more Merkel.
There simply arent any alternative candidates currently that have the same weight on the worldwide stage.

Why is that? She's been there for twelve years, how come no political talent has been nurtured during that time?
 
What a disaster. We needed a reformer, not another Merkel chanchellorate. We're not gonna get out of this shitty european situation by staying on the same road as we are now.

You were the chosen one Schulz!

What exactly needs to change? Do the Germans have a high unemployment rate after 16 years Merkelanism? Or do they rely on nuclear energy? And what about their debts, do they still make billions of them every year?

Seriously, I continue hearing "it's time for a change!", but most time - not every time - those comments come from Alt-right supporters who hate Merkel for letting in all those immigrants in 2015.

The thing is, the SPD on the other side of this spectrum has Schulz, who simply failed to deliver any examples of what exactly HE wants to change should he become chancellor. Instead he spreads the same kind of populist messages already used by the opposition.

I like Schulz for being fresh, for telling things like they are, like when he speaks about Erdowahn. But so far he hasn't given us any reason to make me believe he actually has a better plan for Germany than Merkel.
 

Razorback

Member
I know remaining in power for so long seems kind of sketchy but she seems like the best hope for a united Europe at the moment. I'd love to see a Federal Europe in my lifetime.
 

Xando

Member
SPD needs a 4 year time-off.

More like SPD needs Merkel gone. They won't win a federal elections against Merkel since she also appeals to some of the more conservative SPD voters.

Merkel is pretty much center on most policies (except LGBT for example) and when she leaves CDU will move to the right and SPD will gain 10-15% of their former voters back.


Some idiot like de Maiziere or Glöckner won't win a election.
 
More like SPD needs Merkel gone. They won't win a federal elections against Merkel since she also appeals to some of the more conservative SPD voters.

Merkel is pretty much center on most policies (except LGBT for example) and when she leaves CDU will move to the right and SPD will gain 10-15% of their former voters back.


Some idiot like De Maiziere or Glöckner won't win a election.

Same could be said about SPD. Who's supposed to replace Schulz should he fail? Nahles, Lauterbach or Müller?

And don't underestimate de Maziere. He would wipe the floor with every single SPD politician out there.
 

Nerazar

Member
That's good. :) At least in Germany we have some kind of a win-win situation with the candidates. So I'm very happy if she stays Chancellor. And I'm very happy if Schulz takes over.

Since my state doesn't allow me to vote the CDU / Merkel, I'll probably give the SPD a shot. Even if Martin goes down in flames, the SPD remains a good choice at the federal level.
 
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