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Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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TheLostBigBoss
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What's wrong with criticizing a person who didn't even bother to vote
Primethius
Banned
Moriarty cares about minorities. But he'd vote for Trump over Hillary.
ReignofSparrows
Member
That's a pretty low evidentiary bar. If someone holds alt-right views, I would think it would be easy to find statements from that person that indicate as much. Instead, "look who they follow/who follows them on twitter" is sufficient for some people.
This assumes quite a bit beyond the ideological inflection point, which is whatever Moriarty said or did that generated said criticism. With Moriarty, if he finds no fault with his words or behavior at issue, there is no criticism to take to heart.
This is not particular to him or any ideology. For instance, there are several examples in this thread of people taking issue with insults directed at Moriarty, and the response has been doubling down. However, that is not likely to be categorized as trolling by you or those who originally posted the insults because there was no unjustified behavior being critiqued. Rather, people taking issue with the insults are simply wrongheaded or ignorant for not seeing the broader context of why those insults are being hurled in the first place.
So, this very human reaction plays out the same but appears very different across the ideological aisle. If you don't fundamentally agree with the propriety of certain words or behaviors, then you are going to perceive doubling down as more evidence of ignorance or malice as opposed to rational justification.
It's almost as if the dislike of him is driven by something else entirely. Hmmmm, I wonder what it could be...
excelsiorlef
Member
Let's actually post the entire conversation because it is much worse for him in full context...
https://mobile.twitter.com/LastGeeksDying/status/838507857448337408
https://mobile.twitter.com/notaxation/status/838529033117655041
And then he drops out and his fans show up to call her racist, claim Colin didnt get any minorities on his show because there just aren't minoritied who are as successful as those guys, praise Colin for not seeing race.., and then said what good is diversity for diversity sake (where have we heard that before?)
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
That question is stupid as fuck though, it's not really simple considering its connotations. But you know that it isn't, and you understand exactly what the guy implied with it. It reminds me of comedians in cars where Jerry spends his time asking his friends to drink coffee and shoot the shit turned into a racial issue by all the people that don't even watch the show.
If Colin had interviewed 5 black guys or women and someone would have asked why are there only black guys/women you're interviewing? Yeah, it's around the same level of stupidity.
DarkConfidant
Member
He is not the man he'd like to be...but who is?
Lord, have mercy..
uomoartificiale
Member
i just watched a Boogie2988's video where he kinda defends the guy (and JonTron). He calls for hugs and kisses all around, the usual "let's meet in the middle" kind of weaksauce opinion piece (For what it's worth, it seemed an heartfelt and sincere defense of some colleagues).
But then I thought to myself: "Who the fuck are we even talking about?", when we spend so much time on Moriarty, JonTron and the rest of the bunch?
And the answer is: a big pile of nothingness. Zip. Nada. Absolute Zero.
These people don't count for nothing except in this very very niche part of the gaming internet. They are literally unimportant persons talking shit out of their asses. We are losing our time here.
We should just stop even considering them, because they are clearly inspired and feed on this kind of negative response, and then they even play the victim on that.
But then I thought to myself: "Who the fuck are we even talking about?", when we spend so much time on Moriarty, JonTron and the rest of the bunch?
And the answer is: a big pile of nothingness. Zip. Nada. Absolute Zero.
These people don't count for nothing except in this very very niche part of the gaming internet. They are literally unimportant persons talking shit out of their asses. We are losing our time here.
We should just stop even considering them, because they are clearly inspired and feed on this kind of negative response, and then they even play the victim on that.
A good way to know whether someone has racists views is if they got mad/annoyed about black athletes like him kneeling for Black Lives Matter.
Racists rarely will admit they are, but that is a pretty damn easy siren to know if someone judges people on race and has a warped view of race relationships.
Roni
Gold Member
He handled it in various actions. One of them was not engaging in a true discussion about it - maybe out of a feeling that doing so would be ridiculous, since he's entitled to joke about whatever he wants. This I'm 100% behind.
Another one was insulting someone who, instead of taking the joke for what it was, decided to take it as a statement from the heart and attack him for it. Since I've previously established being offended by a joke is stupid, he insulted them for he might have himself perceived it as stupid. Might not have been how I would've handled it personally, but I can see where he's coming from and won't deny it's a valid option to handle stupid.
Humans sometimes do that when they come across stupid, we've been doing it to each other in this thread for a while now.
See above.
That's embarrassing as fuck. He's vastly out of his intellectual depth in discussing that with the people tweeting at him.
There is no Lord
I don't like Colin but not for his ideas, I don't like him because he's a bully...and likes to play the victim.
Colin MoriARTYR I call him
But mainly the bully part
WhiskeyKnight
Member
For a lot of gaffers, if you're not on board with the most doctrinaire version of postmodern neomarxist liberalism, well, then you're alt-right.
Mind you, I'm not complaining. I actually really enjoy engaging people with whom I disagree, so GAF is a lot of fun for me.
it would be nice if they didn't matter
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352710
but maybe they do
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Right, I think saying "I don't care about sex, skin color bla bla bla" is just as lazy as, "why are there only white dudes lined up".
excelsiorlef
Member
Well only one of them is dismissive of an actual issue but sure let's both sides that conversation...
This is painful. I can't roll my eyes enough everytime someone like Colin says some shit like "I don't see color/sexual orientation/gender/etc..."
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
That wasn't the issue at hand tho?
For protesting though?
Edit: Saw your other post, nm.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
You can't say that and still proclaim that you align yourself with Trump's policies. It just comes across as an excuse.
uomoartificiale
Member
I know what you mean, but here we are literally talking about him because he decided to change jobs. A 90 page thread talking about literally nothing. We should react and fight the racism when it happens, and ignore the racist when it seeks for attention.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
But you said he could have just ignored the original question outright, which would be dismissing it but with silence instead of objecting to the question.
Darryl M R
Member
Whew those tweets are surely something.
It's certainly not like there's entire bodies of research on the benefits of diversity on a range of outcomes and the deleterious effects of color-blindness. Colin seems comically undereducated on those issues with opinions driven entirely by ideology and feels.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Weird how a bunch of people have commented on how GAF's a hive-mind that dilutes terms by labelling poor victims who don't deserve them. Yet hardly anybody has tried to call Colin alt-right outside of a few pointing out him supporting people in the alt-right?
The majority of people say that Colin adopts a lot of alt-right positions ,e.g. going against safe spaces, and has fostered an alt-right fanbase that he's never tried to distance himself from as long as they're giving him praise.
Darryl M R
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The way Colin talks about how he is colorblind and voted for Obama you would think his last name was Armitage.
SCB3
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What's the actual problem here? He lined up prominent people in the gaming industry to interview, they just also happen to be white men, why should he cater to people just because of the color of their skin or gender, that's ridiculous and possibly more racist. In fact, you could even argue that its discrimination towards white men as being "Not good Enough" or "Not diverse enough", people should all be treated fairly and be recognised for their own personal opinions, not because of gender or the color of their skin.
That's what he was saying
excelsiorlef
Member
Well if he can't respond with anything that isn't childish nonsense then yeah...
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt and all that stuff.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Oh my god he said The Order ran at 60fps~
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
What's wrong with sanctuary cities?
excelsiorlef
Member
Asking for racial diversity is not racist
Criticism of a lack of racial diversity is not discrimination against white men...
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I personally don't view them as wrong, I'm saying it's not unreasonable to be a person who has issues with them.
You know, to have a different opinion on a thing.
WhiskeyKnight
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Because if any grouping of individuals doesn't perfectly reflect an exact percentile cross section of the gender, racial and sexual orientation makeup of the larger population -- well, then it is automatically illegitimate.
SCB3
Member
but how the questions are asked is how it matters, I'm all for diversity, they're should be more in all business, but the unfortunate thing is, these guys interviewed were all white men, but they are all prominent in the industry, it was making a massive issue over a minor coincidence
Scandal
Tinfoilhatsron
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Okay. I thought you had an arguement against them. Guess not.
People focused on the protest rather than paying attention to what the actual message was.
WrenchNinja
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You'd have to be incredibly thin skinned to be offended by that question
Roni
Gold Member
Perhaps as thin skinned as you'd have to be to be offended by a joke?
This is the exact issue that is so frustrating. Simply asking for more diversity in various manners is considered offensive and hurts the white dominant people being asked about it. Just posing the question is considered a "massive issue". And instead of doing something about it, people in power like Moriarty take offense at the question and instead just continues to invite white men.
And the reason why us white people take so much offense at a mere request for more diversity is because we're special snowflakes. And we're so fragile that we'd rather turn violent and embrace racist ideology than to take action and have different identities on board. Slayven put it best:
Exactly.
excelsiorlef
Member
Yeah but the question wasn't a racist question nor is the call for diversity discrimination against white men.
And a waybto answer that question isn't to accuse the questioner of calling you a fascist and then rail against identity politics and claim you don't see race like a bloody child.
For the billionth time it wasn't just about the joke. Some of you guys think you're real clever every time you bring it back up but it's just playing a broken record at this point.
holy fuck this thread is now in reverse racism
Yes, asking to use your position for more diversity on your show that only features white dudes is exactly the same as telling a sexist joke on Women's Day in a culture that is known for its misogyny.
Once you're arguing about discrimination toward white men, you've lost the plot entirely. Please read literally any piece of academic, rigorous research looking at the pervasive effects of race and gender in the workplace. White men are advantaged in almost every way in most contexts. It's nice to want everyone to be treated fairly, but that would actually entail treating white men like everyone else (i.e., worse) and I highly​ doubt you want white men to lose their privilege.
excelsiorlef
Member
This is the road you want to go down?
Askimg about a lack of diversity is the same thing as a sexist joke on International Women's Day using the activist hashtag created to fight for women's rights against the rising threat of the Trump administration and other right wing reactionary parties around the globe...
Roni
Gold Member
I haven't said anything about asking or making the joke in this particular case. I'm specifically talking about being offended by both those things.
It's equally ridiculous in this case.
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