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Lonestar said:
There's a difference between Staying, and waiting on a better offer :P
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If that's the case then couldn't you say like 90% of the coaches in the NCAA aren't really staying at their current job, but rather waiting on a better offer.
 
Dali said:
If that's the case then couldn't you say like 90% of the coaches in the NCAA aren't really staying at their current job, but rather waiting on a better offer.
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Auburn must not educate people very well. The answer to this statement is "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHyes"
 
devildog820 said:
90%? More like 99.9%.
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I am sitting here counting the head coaching jobs that you won't leave for another college position, and there aren't many.

Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame (yes, still), USC

I think Bama is a special case, becasue Fran left due to probation, not another job.
 
devildog820 said:
90%? More like 99.9%.
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Really, only coaches that might fall under the "not looking for a better deal" are the ones likely to die while still coaching. Bear/Paterno/Bowden. Even they weren't at the job's they were known for, for their entire careers. Except for perhaps Paterno. Was he at another school as an Assistant?
 
devildog820 said:
90%? More like 99.9%.
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I was being optimistic and trying to venerate some schools as much as their alum/students do.

ConfusingJazz said:
I am sitting here counting the head coaching jobs that you won't leave for another college position, and there aren't many.

Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame (yes, still), USC

I think Bama is a special case, becasue Fran left due to probation, not another job.
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I dunno dude. It seems like that'd be the case, but when considering jobs from these "tradition-filled" schools it seems like a lot of coaches would rather take their millions from a major program that isn't as storied [read: less pressure to perform] and let some other sucker get filled with the hot air from a Notre Dame or Michigan AD.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
I am sitting here counting the head coaching jobs that you won't leave for another college position, and there aren't many.

Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame (yes, still), USC

I think Bama is a special case, becasue Fran left due to probation, not another job.
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Bama would be one of those, at least now. Whoever replaces Saban, will get the Les Miles effect. Quality Seasons for a couple years. Oklahoma would be one too. LSU is borderline.
 
Lonestar said:
Bama would be one of those, at least now. Whoever replaces Saban, will get the Les Miles effect. Quality Seasons for a couple years. Oklahoma would be one too. LSU is borderline.
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It will be interesting to see, but you could put FSU in that column thanks to Bobby's tenure.
 
Lonestar said:
Really, only coaches that might fall under the "not looking for a better deal" are the ones likely to die while still coaching. Bear/Paterno/Bowden. Even they weren't at the job's they were known for, for their entire careers. Except for perhaps Paterno. Was he at another school as an Assistant?
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Nope, he spent 15 seasons as Penn St assistant before getting the HC
 
pxleyes said:
It will be interesting to see, but you could put FSU in that column thanks to Bobby's tenure.
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Here's the thing, it's hard to categorize both FSU and Penn State, because of the longevity of their coaches. Penn State even moreso. FSU went with the Coach in Waiting routine (and actually followed through!) Penn State is just on a constant "...And then!" routine, no clue who might follow up Paterno. Both of those schools are now known more for 2 men, rather than the college's themselves.


But, any of those schools listed by ConfusingJazz could be turned down by coaches, given the right circumstances. You don't really think Kiffen was the #1 choice, do you?
 
ConfusingJazz said:
I am sitting here counting the head coaching jobs that you won't leave for another college position, and there aren't many.

Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame (yes, still), USC

I think Bama is a special case, becasue Fran left due to probation, not another job.
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I'm not sold on ND, despite the TV contract. In addition to Meyer, didn't Stoops also turn down ND recently (the rumor was because of entrance requirements)? Maybe I'm wrong about ND. However, it was Meyer's dream job and they handed it to him on a platter, but he still said no.

I also believe Bama put themselves in that top tier because of what they were willing to pay Saban. Other than somewhat nicer weather and a little bit easier recruiting, why leave Bama for another college?

Dali said:
I was being optimistic and trying to venerate some schools as much as their alum/students do.
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:lol
 
Lonestar said:
Bama would be one of those, at least now. Whoever replaces Saban, will get the Les Miles effect. Quality Seasons for a couple years. Oklahoma would be one too. LSU is borderline.
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No no, I think Bama is one, but there are special cases when sanctions happen.

I dunno about OU, it should be one, but Stoops always seems to be open to going to another school.

And LSU? Probably?

devildog820 said:
I'm not sold on ND, despite the TV contract. In addition to Meyer, didn't Stoops also turn down ND recently (the rumor was because of entrance requirements)? Maybe I'm wrong about ND. However, it was Meyer's dream job and they handed it to him on a platter, but he still said no.
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I didn't say turning down, I meant, once you got the job, you weren't hunting for another one.
 
Dali said:
I dunno dude. It seems like that'd be the case, but when considering jobs from these "tradition-filled" schools it seems like a lot of coaches would rather take their millions from a major program that isn't as storied [read: less pressure to perform] and let some other sucker get filled with the hot air from a Notre Dame or Michigan AD.
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I would say the pressure is just as great at schools like Bama (Bear), Florida, Auburn, etc. But the expectations are in line with reality. You can win several championships at those schools. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant since they beat FSU and then lost to BC, in 1992. There's also no conference to tide fans over until the MNC wins come. Most Florida fans want to win the MNC, but are generally happy with winning the SEC title. Maybe not recent fans, who know no different...
 
Golden was considered the likely top candidate to replace Paternon whenever he stepped down/was forced out. I am sure Golden will bolt UM in a heartbeat if/when it opens up.
 
devildog820 said:
I'm not sold on ND, despite the TV contract. In addition to Meyer, didn't Stoops also turn down ND recently (the rumor was because of entrance requirements)? Maybe I'm wrong about ND. However, it was Meyer's dream job and they handed it to him on a platter, but he still said no.

I also believe Bama put themselves in that top tier because of what they were willing to pay Saban. Other than somewhat nicer weather and a little bit easier recruiting, why leave Bama for another college?



:lol
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Well, Meyer didn't move to ND, because he was already at "one of those jobs that's hard to turn down" Lateral move at best, but probably more of a down move.


Leaving Sanctionless and powerful Alabama, is at best, a lateral move, or heading to the NFL.

Since Saban's one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in College Football, the money isn't everything. I mean, Vandy threw a castle full towards Gus and it's apparently not worked. Wonder why that is.

If/when Saban leaves/retires, it's not going to be that difficult to get a high quality coach. Lots of Money+Powerhouse Talent stockpiled=PROFIT???

ConfusingJazz said:
No no, I think Bama is one, but there are special cases when sanctions happen.

I dunno about OU, it should be one, but Stoops always seems to be open to going to another school.

And LSU? Probably?
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See what I felt about Kiffin and USC. Don't think he was the first choice, and the sanctions had everything to do with it.

Stoops name is always being rumoured by Florida. But wherever the Rumours come from, he's never really shown the interest to interview or leave.

LSU has Money and insane recruiting base+talent stockpiled. In-reaches with Florida, Miss and Mobile, not to mention into Texas. Only place better would BE Florida or Texas.





Then again, you have those Crazy Dumbasses at the Non AQ teams, specifically Patterson and Peterson. Teams have been after them for years, and they don't budge.
 
devildog820 said:
I would say the pressure is just as great at schools like Bama (Bear), Florida, Auburn, etc. But the expectations are in line with reality. You can win several championships at those schools. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant since they beat FSU and then lost to BC, in 1992. There's also no conference to tide fans over until the MNC wins come. Most Florida fans want to win the MNC, but are generally happy with winning the SEC title. Maybe not recent fans, who know no different...
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Well I'm including Bama in with the ND and Ohio States, so I wouldn't count that as one of the less pressure/easy millions jobs i was describing. Florida's success since Spurrier has the fans wanting more too, so I don't think I'd put them into that category either. Auburn? Well... Auburn's the other Alabama school. You can get paid out the ass and have a lot less pressure to perform than if you went to Florida or UA.

Would an Auburn head coach jump ship for Michigan, ND, or Ohio State? That's the sort of scenario I was considering. Yeah, you may get paid more (maybe not, I dunno), but those are schools with entire states'/religions' hopes and dreams riding on their success. Auburn has about 25% of a (less populated ) states' hopes and dreams, with the other 75% split between glue sniffers and Bama fans. Wait did I say "split"?
 
Dumb and Dumber
 
Lonestar said:
But, any of those schools listed by ConfusingJazz could be turned down by coaches, given the right circumstances. You don't really think Kiffen was the #1 choice, do you?
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Turning down one of those schools doesn't equate to leaving it. I think it is a separate argument. There is always the chance one of those schools gets turned down, mostly due to possible lateral moves or just poor candidates, but once a coach is at one of those schools I think it is harder to leave.
 
Lateral move at best, but He is friends with Boom MF'er, and odds are he'd be better prepared to be a HC if he can prove his coaching ability away from the Mentor. Though, he's going to be moving from one Defensive minded Coach to another, so how much he can do would still be a question of "is it him or the HC"

Plus, Twitter reports can be wrong from time to time.
 
Lonestar said:
Well, Meyer didn't move to ND, because he was already at "one of those jobs that's hard to turn down" Lateral move at best, but probably more of a down move.
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No, in 2004 ND fired Willingham to get Meyer because they knew he had been offered the Florida job. Meyer had offers from both schools in his hand and he chose the Gators.

Lonestar said:
Stoops name is always being rumoured by Florida. But wherever the Rumours come from, he's never really shown the interest to interview or leave.
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Last year, Stoops had agreed to take the Florida job until Meyer reneged 24 hours after resigning. Stoops wasn't interested in 2002 and in 2004 he was tepid (allegedly) after being informally contacted, so we went with Meyer who was wanted by both Foley and our president (who was at Utah before UF). I don't know what happened this year. All of the Florida insiders have no real information. Well played, Jeremy.
 
I know I'm late, but DAMN those division names are awful :lol

The logo isn't great but it works well enough. It's big, bold, proud, uses a collegiate style font. Easy to see why they went with it. I think it's mostly disappointing in that it isn't very creative. But I guess that sums up the Big 10 right? Hey-o!
 
Dreams-Visions said:
big pay raise confirmed.
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The Smart thing has been rumored for a few days now (I posted it a few pages back) along with Dana Holgorsen as OC but he is now expected to become Pitt's HC instead. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
Was anyone really shocked by the B1G's logo and superficial changes? They almost always shoot themselves in the foot about these things. They are so afraid to offend traditionalists they bend over backwards to make things as benign and clumsy as possible.
 
In the end, it's just a logo.

Are we going to start judging conferences and schools by their commercials as well?
 
ToxicAdam said:
Was anyone really shocked by the B1G's logo and superficial changes? They almost always shoot themselves in the foot about these things. They are so afraid to offend traditionalists they bend over backwards to make things as benign and clumsy as possible.
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I'm not too surprised, but given that Delany was in charge when the Big Ten rebranded after Penn State (which they did a very good job), I thought it would at least be competent.

claviertekky said:
In the end, it's just a logo.

Are we going to start judging conferences and schools by their commercials as well?
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Uhh, yes?

Marketing is important, dude.
 
claviertekky said:
In the end, it's just a logo.

Are we going to start judging conferences and schools by their commercials as well?
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You're posting this in a thread of people who have spent pages and pages debating uniform changes. :lol
 
This news dropped as I was heading out to a client meeting. I know it's kinda old news by this point, but I hope you'll indulge me:

As a professional designer, this new logo irritates me. It feels like a rough draft, the logo you scribble down on paper to get the obvious shit on paper and out of your system. It's never supposed to actually see the light of day.

Reading the press release, I completely understand their strategy, I just feel the execution is lacking. The only way the logo is even remotely successful is if you assume the B1G is eventually expanding to sixteen teams. At that point, the logo actually works quite nicely.

I'm also annoyed that the B1G went with a New York design firm instead of the hundreds of capable, award-winning design firms in Minneapolis, Chicago, and elsewhere in the Midwest. Pentagram even went out of their way to point out their designers' B1G ties (although "married to an OSU alumna" isn't quite the same thing). I can't help but think a firm inside the B1G footprint would have had a better grasp of the tradition of the conference, and wouldn't come up with something so generic.

The names of the divisions are terrible. Even if you aren't going to go with the obvious directional names, why go with two names that look, sound, and read almost exactly the same? Legends and Leaders? Ridiculous.
 
I could not help but laugh when I saw this pic on espn

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Here's something relevant to the bowl games: the graduation rates of all the schools involved and the disparity between "black" and "white" players. Something that gets overlooked, but should always be remembered since most college football players do not play professional ball and are playing football to get an education.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...cles/2010/12/11/12_11_10_graduation_gap_bowl/

P.S. Look at Oklahoma's numbers to get a clue why Stoops did not (in part) take the Notre Dame job.
 
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