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Console and handeld unit sales and market share numbers for 2005 (NPD)
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Mook1e
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jarrod said:
the PSP's actually selling at a faster pace than the PS2 did, the PSP reached 10M in less than a year, took the PS2 a little over a year to do that
jarrod said:
that's ok cause Sony systems aren't as brand dependent as Nintendo systems, of course there's always gonna be a few mainstays like MGS or FF, but lots of brands that were popular on the PS1 (like RE, Tomb Raider, Crash, Spryo, etc) were replaced by new or different brands on the PS2 (like GTA, DMC, J&D, R&C, etc)
xaosslug
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I <3 Katamari said:
I thought most Nintendo fans and XBox fans alike count Nintendo sticking with cartridges as chief among the reasons N64 came up short against PSX way back when... please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Let's ignore the past and blaze ahead to a bright new future where Sony has to start from "scratch" because as Jarrod pointed out; Sony has basically no brand identity--oh, wait... *ROLLS EYES*
To count Sony out, and not put even the smallest amount of blind faith in them this early on is stupid, IMO.
Unfortunately, action based spinoffs don't amount to much. Just look at Crystal Chronicles.xaosslug said:
It's a misquote, the 10 million figure only came from NOA PR which went into NA & JP sales. Perrin never said "10 million Nintendo DS systems, including about 1 million in Europe" though, they're using different figures from old PR. Unless you can find me a direct quote?Mook1e said:
10 million consumers still don't own a PSP, much less by mid December. PS2 was severely supply constricted for nearly it's entire first year, which has never been the case for PSP barring small stretches (less than 8 weeks) immediately after launch in Japan and the UK.Link316 said:
Sure it is, PlayStation's built up it's own brand by this point. It's when a platform fails to live up to that brand identity though that things start falling apart. Look at the shift from Super Famicom to Nintendo 64.Link316 said:
thestopsign
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If advertised right. I think that Metroid Prime Hunters could skyrocket the DS's sales. It fits the US market perfectly. FPS + Online = Happy Casual and Hardcore gamers. Then I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo announces a new Zelda for the DS during E3. That would round out all their major franchises except Donkey Kong. Then hopefully we will also get some knew IPs that aren't just like Nintendogs, but more like what Golden Sun was for the GBA. A exciting new IP that can appeal to us as gamers.
sonycowboy
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Fuzzy said:You're probably right, you're the one that gave us bullshit NPD Canada numbers unlike the US numbers that we've gotten here that match exactly to what Nintendo has given and credits NPD. Damn us for believing credible people.
I said "might be wrong" about Dean's numbers. As Heian-kyo said, Dean is an unimpeachable source and almost certainly got his numbers directly from someone at NPD as I don't believe that the Mercury subscribes based on comments made by Mike Antonucci when the whole 57k DS sales in May caused Nintendo fans a conniption. The info I've gotten is that there is certainly a discrepancy, but at this point I wouldn't consider either one of them to be gospel at this point. Although, the Nintendo PR certainly seems to match what the running totals suggest, which seems like too much of a coincidence.
Of course, this would have to happen on Friday afternoon, so that no official report will be forthcoming until Tuesday because of the holiday.
It could go either way folks, but IMO, it doesn't make a damn bit of diffrence. They're real close and the DS has a slight lead either by 20k or 180k, but neither number is a clear or even safe lead. It's almost impossible for these two systems to continue to selling neck and neck and I'd say that by mid-2006, we might start to see some seperation one way or the other.
Also, I don't think I've ever seen such a fuss about numbers as I have from DS fans for 2005. I've seen so much crying, calling numbers wrong, accusations of number hiding, and vehement arguing that it's gotten tiring participating the NPD threads. I looked back in threads for this over the past year and in just about every NPD thread, DS fans are arguing about the numbers being incorrect or that folks are making up numbers. Yet, I don't see any of that about the GCN, Xbox, PS2, GBA or even the PSP (minus DS fans decrying Sony was hiding the numbers).
I have to admit that I'm not as intense about the NPD numbers as I used to be (really, I've actually lost some interest), and I recognize that the DS vs PSP is of great interest, but the bellyaching has gotten a little old.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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I'd like to know some SW numbers rather than reading a few pages about DS-PSP difference...
DQ8, SotC, RE4...you know...interesting stuff...
DQ8, SotC, RE4...you know...interesting stuff...
Earthstrike
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I state what my assumptions are, as opposed to presenting them like facts.
Version 3.0
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sonycowboy said:
There's been as much noise on the other side, as always...except for that nutcase that doesn't speak English these past couple of days. That's why I generally lurk in these threads (the bickering, not the bad English).
Version 3.0
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Hero said:
You can never--NEVER--look at an upcoming games list and count everything out. A franchise could take off at any point (a la GTA3), or an original IP could become the next big thing (a la Pokemon).
Just because PSP versions of PS2 hits aren't driving the thing the way they were 'supposed' to doesn't mean it has no chance of having a mega-hit. The system is selling well even without one, everywhere, and its software is doing well, too, outside of Japan.
That's not a direct quote, probably becasue there is no actual quote. MSNBC misquoted, they used old PR figures mingled with old quotes, they fucked up. Get over it.Mook1e said:
Basic math really. Unless you expect 1+ million sold in the first 2 weeks of January?Mook1e said:
Well, I'm not blinded by faith. Japan's always been central to any PlayStation's success, not just within the region but because of the unparalleled varitey it's software brings to PlayStation's worldwide portfolio. If things don't change quick, and PSP software starts selling, JP support is sure to dry up and PSP's software portfilio will start looking more like Xbox than PlayStation.Izzy said:
Also, nerding >>>> spinning.
You've cobbled together a Frankenstein's monster of an analogy from various small bits and pieces and stopping before doing the same with bits and pieces of PS, PS2 and GB is just arbitrary on your part. Your analogy resembles nothing more than the reality you wish to create.jarrod said:It bears strinking similarities to Genesis, Xbox and GameCube. Much moreso than it does PlayStation, PlayStation 2 or any Game Boy.
This has been part of the PSP doomsayer's mantra for the better part of a year now - since this is your reality distortion we're dealing with here, maybe you can tell us what you define as "quick"?
This is always a crapshoot, and don't let anyone tell your otherwise. Don't believe any cost estimates unless they have an audit sheet to accompany them. Some comments from Sony early last year pointed at profitability coming over the summer. Some think they're still losing money. Some think they've always made money. I think it doesn't matter a lick. Money is no doubt being made on the device. It's the rest of Sony Corp. that's been having financial problems. PEACE.Bud said:
WrathOfOtaibah
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Why are DS fans disputing the PSP? Its a success and outsold the DS this year, bottom line. It might be $120 more than the DS but look at the visual and audio differences. The PSP packs in a lot of features, something that the DS does not do. Built in online gaming, MP3 and movie playability, etc. There's no reason to think that the PSP wouldn't be successful. The media likes it because its a true evolution of gaming, not the archaic approaches Nintendo does like with the DS.
PSP will do well in Japan because Japanese developers can count on successful sales in Europe and America. Its not like the PSP is flatlined over in Japan either, going by the Media Create sales. The PSP will hold its own, even if it never does outpace the DS in total sales numbers worldwide.
PSP will do well in Japan because Japanese developers can count on successful sales in Europe and America. Its not like the PSP is flatlined over in Japan either, going by the Media Create sales. The PSP will hold its own, even if it never does outpace the DS in total sales numbers worldwide.
I've just made some broad comparisons in terms of general market penetratction and performance in comparison to competition. Why does "Sony's GameCube" bother you so profoundly?kaching said:
It's really only been since this fall that PSP software's dropped entirely off the map. Launch was excellent, spring had some high notes, summer was slow (as usual) but the lack of pickup in the fall is simply alarming.kaching said:
I'd define "quick" as in needing to change immediately. How do you define "a year" though?
Mook1e
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Multiple sites quoted NINTENDO (Perrin Kaplan, vice president for marketing @ NOA) who used 1 million units sold for Europe in their 10 million announcement specifically. Get the fuck over it already. Nintendo fucked up and reported the wrong numbers. Then NINTENDO EUROPE came across and said NOA made the mistake. This is old news and your damage control and spinning will not change it.jarrod said:
All i'm saying is that if you want to point blame for the mistake, look to NOA and not the AP.
Show me your basic math with no numbers outside of the USA, JP and the UK.
If you don't have the rest of the world's numbers, you can't say you know shit.
PhoenixDark
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I agree with you about the PSP's success, although I wouldn't call Nintendo's approach archaic.The Experiment said:
Many Nintendo fans dismissed the PSP when it was announced, just like they did the PSX. When the PSP was released it should have been clear to everyone that it would be very popular in the US; imo Sony aimed it directly at the US, while the DS seemed more aimed towards Japan's tastes.
As a fan of videogames, I am glad both systems are doing well. Nintendo fanboys need to stop trying to be elitists and acknoledge that the PSP is here to stay, at least in the US. Two years ago Nintendo owned 100% of the handheld market. According to these numbers, it's down to 65%. Now, to be fair the only way they had to go was down anyway. But the point here is that Nintendo has competion, and it's not going to be easy. I think the DS will outsell the PSP this year due to Pokemon, but it's not like it's going to be the blowout Nintendo fans expected.
It's still a misquote, the 1 million figure was outdated and never used by any Nintendo rep in relation to the 10 million figure. Can you link me to these "multiple sites" who's sources are different from this article, yet give the same information?Mook1e said:
I can arrive at a good idea, given the markets you mentioned account for ~80% of the world market.Mook1e said:
JP~ 2.6 million
US~ 3.6 million
UK~ 0.8 million
Most estimates placed PSP around roughly 9 million sold through by the end of 2006. These figures would jive with that.
It's not the comparison that bothers me. Its inaccurate so it lacks merit in large part and isn't really worth worrying about on its own. Its the intent behind the comparison on your part that just causes me to lose respect for you each time you utter it.jarrod said:
Your previous tune about launch has been that none of the PSP launch games could score the high sales that Nintendo handheld software could or the sales some of the existing franchises had previously achieved on other Playstation hardware. No reference to "excellent" sales and certainly no reference to spring having some "high notes".
That PSP software sales in JP have been low without significant upward or downward change is objectively clear, but this situation has been described as dire and in need of quick/immediate change almost since it started by yourself among others. Still waiting for the hammer to fall, "immediately".
I define a year as 12 months. I define the "better part of a year" as anything greater than 50% of that.
Listen Jarrod, I like Nintendo and I think the DS is a superior product to the PSP from a gamer's perspective but don't be too quick to discount the PSP's slow growth LTD. Most of the issue in NA is due to price, IMO. When the PSP is $149USD it will be a whole different story.
Nintendo's market share has no where to go but down in the portable space. Hopefully they can grow the market and maintain the sales figures they require to keep profitable, and continue making the world's best software. My two bits.
Nintendo's market share has no where to go but down in the portable space. Hopefully they can grow the market and maintain the sales figures they require to keep profitable, and continue making the world's best software. My two bits.
You seem to worry if it an awful depite that. Why exactly is so wildly inaccurate? Why exactly would PSP's market prefromace have more in common with PS/PS2/GB rather than MD/GC/Xbox?kaching said:
I mentioned PSP launch sales being somewhat dissapointing compared to PS2 sales for the same brands. But I never mentioned sales being so dramatically dissapointing as to potnetially dry up support until this fall/winter when we saw high profile bomb after bomb. Katamati, Irregular Hunter X, Sengoku Musou, MG AC!D 2... these games are selling between 10-30k here. During launch and spring brands of this caliber were pulling 100-200k. It was games like Puzzle Bobble or Rengoku that were manaing in the teens, not Rockman and Metal Gear... this ship is sinking, no question.kaching said:
Well then, it's simply your evalutions, not your definitions, that are incorrect.kaching said:
As I already said, it's got nothing to do with that - it's your motives, which are shameful for someone who pointed out just a little earlier that nerding >>>> spinning.jarrod said:
I didn't suggest it had more in common with one group or the other. Your attempts to compare market performance of the PSP to previous game devices are based on comparisons of single facets which don't form a complete whole, even after you've strung them together. If you have to try to cobble together a comparison of market performance for one device against an aggregate of several, warning bells should be going off, unless you're intent is disingenuous.
Good, so we both remember that "excellent" was never a word you've used with JP PSP software sales up until this thread where it seems to suit your argument.
Now, what are the "high points" you're thinking of from among JP PSP spring software releases? Because I don't think there was anything released outside of the launch period performing notably better than what we're seeing now since the fall.
Looking at CVX's thread about up to date tie ratios for PSP and DS in Japan, software sales for the PSP increased 82% from the first half of the year to the second half of the year.
Not looking like it so far.
Earthstrike
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I hope people don't actually believe Sony will maintain that 35% market share.
Yes PSP is here to stay but it will not stay with such a high market share because Sony will not re-achieve the launch sales of march and April. Period.
Yes PSP is here to stay but it will not stay with such a high market share because Sony will not re-achieve the launch sales of march and April. Period.
WrathOfOtaibah
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Earthstrike said:
If anything, it will increase. The PSP will get more games and that means it will appeal more to gamers. Its almost a guarantee that Sony will drop the price of the PSP this year. Maybe it will be $229 or $199 but the PSP is here to stay and will not do worse over time, it will do better. When it gets to be 2007 and it will be $149 or less, it will sell in the hundreds of thousands a month. Going by the 2006 release lists, the system has a healthy future...and that means lots of gamers' dollars will go towards hardware and software.
Please Nintards, get over yourselves. Just be glad the PSP isn't the DS destroyer people thought it might have been in 2004 or better yet, get a PSP. Its a good handheld.
Questioning motive? On GAF? Isn't that sort of like asking a shark why it hunts?kaching said:
May I ask you then, why do you feel the need to continually question me? Where's the exact motive in that? Searth for truth? Defending mother? What exactly?
You did when you called my statement "inaccurate"? Or were you not actually questioning the accuracy of PSP having "similarities to Genesis, Xbox and GameCube. Much moreso than it does PlayStation, PlayStation 2 or any Game Boy."? Where exactly would be the inaccuracy in that statement?kaching said:
Ah, so this isn't isn't really about motive or accuracy, it's really about method. Well, feel free to question that... just try not to get sidetracked in "motive" or "accuracy" next time.kaching said:
Not that exact word, though any notion that I've adjusted my opinions on PSP's software performance to suit this argument would be "incorrect".kaching said:
Tales of Eternia, PoPoLoCrois, Sarugetchu, Namco Museum, Bleach... all games that were selling 90 to 200k total, and outside Tales none of these are big league brands. Plus launch games like Mingol and Shin Sangoku Musou were still hanging in the top 10 well into February. PSP had a solid launch and resisted the post launch drought DS suffered, things really didn't slow until the summer. Which in itself isn't such a big deal, most platforms slow then.... but then most platforms tend to pick up where they left off again in the fall.kaching said:
That increase isn't proportional to the accelerated release schedule though. These days there's more PSP games selling worse than in the first half. And if you added the 3 weeks of launch to that first half, there'd likely be no increase at all.kaching said:
Fact of the matter is that high profile brands are selling peanuts on PSP in Japan. There's a few exceptions here and there (Monster Hunter, Winning Eleven), but 6 months ago had anyone predicted franchises like Metal Gear, Sengoku Musou or Rockman moving under 50,000 units on PSP, they'd have been laughed at.
Please, you're not even sure what you're questioning exactly. Something about "Sony's GameCube" seems to just hit the right button is what it's really looking like.kaching said:
But, jarrod, I haven't been questioning your motive at all. Its clear that your intent is to heckle the PSP's performance via these half-baked comparisons. I know you're capable of more meritous conversation on the topic but if you want to hide behind the lame duck defense that "It's GAF" for marching to the cliff like too many others here in doing more to shitcan rather than elevate the conversation, that's just begging to be called out.
Kaching, there's no hidden defense here. What's the point in a gaming forum if you can't have a little fun here and there. Sports-like rivalries brewing in sales threads seems like the perfect outlet for that... if you're seriously looking for "meritous conversation" or "elevated conversation" I'd suggest looking in other sorts of threads. You know full well what you're getting into in here.
Ignatz Mouse
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That jarrod's a tool should be news to nobody by now.
VeryHungryCaterpillar
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I'm new here, but why the dumping on Jarrod? He is pro-Nintendo, but not being any more obnoxious than the pro-Sony people in this thread. Enlighten me why he is a whipping boy here.