DangerStepp
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I remember some old friends that could lend some insight to this discussion....
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Consoles are just like PCs now, why bother with consoles then?
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Lionheart1337 said:
So basically a console gamer is a moron breaking his controller every month that bought an arcade version Xbox 360? There are other options. Listing the worse possible conditions someone can go through doesn't make for a fair comparison. Your PC is also quite extreme, most people will pay a shiton more than that for one. And if you don't pay for more games you mean that you are pirating them...
Taking me in anecdotal evidence against yours, I own a launch PS3 wich did cost me 300$, I don't buy controllers each month and I also don't pay for online or an hard drive there. I do pay for games however. As for the PC side, I bought a completly new machine 2 years ago, 64bit rig with a cheap video card (Radeon HD4860) and those whole thing did cost me around 2200$ Can. This is the price of my PS3 + 30 full priced retail games...
Not exactly related and probably not worth its own thread but here's something I saw on reddit just now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Hf4i7XtSs
Figured you guys here would enjoy it since some of the points in that video were probably brought up in this very thread
How did you get a launch ps3 for $300??
Also how did you blow $2200 on a PC?
Figured you guys here would enjoy it since some of the points in that video were probably brought up in this very thread
Ranger X said:
How did you get a launch ps3 for $300??
Also how did you blow $2200 on a PC?
Canada pay roughly similar prices for hardware to Australia (dollar to dollar, not converting currency), and I paid about $1200 for a system with a Q9550 (best quad at the time) and 4890 (best single GPU ATI at the time) two years ago. With good components too, Seasonic PSU, aluminium case, full sized mbd, etc. I have no idea how you could burn an extra $1000 and end up with something worse.NIN90 said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
NIN90 said:
He got robbed. I built a completely comparable machine to Ranger_X's for $800 in 2008 in Canada, and I paid to have it assembled and shipped.
NIN90 said:
What's so hard to get? For example, You and I play on a 360 game "X"..we both have the same experience. It looks the same. All in the same resolution. Plays the same. Sounds the same. You're not going to go over to your friends house and go "Oh wow this looks so much better on your XBOX than mine!" unless you play on a crappy TV.
Same thing for the "as intended" you don't get. Unless it's a port, the developer goes "OK..we're making a game for 360. Here's the spec sheet. It never changes. This is what we can do. Now go at it."
On the PC, the one with the bigger wallet has the better experience. There's nothing wrong with that. In the context of what the OP asked my answer makes sense.
It's not an argument for or against anything.
MoFuzz
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Our dollar is just fine. I think some people just buy off the shelf towers from Best Buy or other big box stores and get shafted as far as getting bang for the buck.NIN90 said:
I built a secondary rig in August of 2009 for roughly $450 CDN. That gave me a dual core intel chip - E5200 with 4 gigs of RAM, 500GB Hard drive, and a GeForce 9600 GSO (which only cost $40 after rebate BTW) that plays just about everything at 1440x900, using mid to high settings. 60 FPS for many games, otherwise at the bare minimum 30 for the most demanding titles.
PC's, like many things in life, benefit from research before buying.
another late comer here. But to me the one thing that PC master-racers forget is that many people just don't want to deal with another computer. As a programmer I see a computer and automatically think "work" I see a TV and a controller and think "Fun".
As much flack as consoles get the reason they largely succeed is because they're brainless. And it's great when you just want to sit down and veg. I don't want to have to worry about installation, or perf specs or a zillion possible settings. I just want to sit down and play. That's where consoles succeed and why they will continue to succeed.
As much flack as consoles get the reason they largely succeed is because they're brainless. And it's great when you just want to sit down and veg. I don't want to have to worry about installation, or perf specs or a zillion possible settings. I just want to sit down and play. That's where consoles succeed and why they will continue to succeed.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Q1 2009 invoice, Canada:
Lionheart1337
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Ranger X said:
Well I can only speak for my personal experience and experiences that I've witnessed. I think I can definitely assume from this that console gamers spend WAY more than they think they are in comparison to ma-members of the PC community...and these expenses are inherent to non-PC gaming.
Most people will pay a shit-ton because they can. I'm far from whiping my ass with money so I had to go with a budget build. And this shit performs well beyond my expectations and then some. I was so shocked because I had it beat into my head (by clueless folk) that I needed to spend break the bank to make an adequate PC.
Regardless of piracy, emulation and the like, PC games are still WAY cheaper. Two words - Steam sales. I used to get like a game a year on console, how much that has changed since I went PC is insane. And this isn't just a price argument the games I find are actually of a higher quality as well, but that's just my opinion...and although it's an opinion, no one can argue the higher tech capabilities of a PC...just sayin'.
You def got me on the PS3 point what can I say some people get lucky. I personally never cared for the system as it has no games that I care about. I`m not even going to tackle that $2200 PC.....you got money to blow obviously. I could have built like 5 PCs more powerful and reliable than any console with that....XD.
edit:On another note those saying there's no real commercial opp. in PC need to check the figures, seriously.
Faxanadu said:
you sound like you envy this guy.
it's actually one of console's shortocomings for me. If I have money and I can get a better perfomance, resolution and etc. I can have it on PC. On consoles I stuck with moronic developer's decisions like "ok, this scene has drops to 15 fps, this won't hurt player's experience at all" or "ok, fuck vsync, nobody cares about it anyway lol".
And even if all games on consoles had mandatory 30 fps or bust requirement I'd like an option to have 60 fps experience. And if some guy had it better than me then it's good for him. Actually may be I could make/save more money and improve my experience too, hmmm?
ronito said:
I can see why people don't want to play on a PC when the work all day with one.
But I just can't understand why people think it's such big deal actually play the games.
Installation? Steam does it for you.
Driver updates? You can roll with the same drivers for months. I update my drivers like twice a year.
Performance settings? 95% of all games automatically configure the settings for optimal performance. The other 5% have a "Set Optimal Settings" button.
I don't understand how you're not able to separate "work pc" and "home pc". I've worked in IT for around 15 years. Almost every work day in that time has been in front of a PC, and the ones that weren't were in data centers in front of servers or other equipment. Every day, the first thing I do when I get home is switch the PC on and check the news or play a game or whatever. It never "feels" like work. I'm not saying it doesn't for you, but I don't get that mentality at all. I can't see it as anything other than a deliberate choice to see a keyboard as "work". It's not like coming home to play Team Fortress 2 in any way resembles coding at work. Did it feel like "work" to type your post?ronito said:
NIN90 said:
The OP asked why bother with consoles if they are like PC's...
I offered a reason of why one would choose a console. It a legitimate reason of why people or developers would still consider consoles.
It has nothing to do with how you, me or any bleeding edge tech warrior feels about anything.
Gully State
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Fredescu said:
If all my computing experience was based around my "work" PC, I'd hate PC too. Thankfully my PC setup at home makes even work on that machine fun and enjoyable. A second monitor at 1200x1600 makes reading papers/writing/analyzing data infinitely more productive than hunching over my 13 inch monitor at work. Gaming serves as just another benefit..
I have to install updates for firefox fairly regularly. If you're talking about the work you have to go to get a game working, in the way that you don't for consoles, I get that. That's completely understandable and something that the hardcore PCmen try desperately to downplay, and then talk up in the next breath. The way you worded it sounded like it was just the act of using a PC for anything that felt like work, which is a common enough statement, and is also completely irrational.ronito said:
iam220 said:
NIN90 said:
Ok, I think you deserve an explanation. I exposed my situation in contrast of the other guy because I think they are both "anecdotal evidence" of very small value as a true argument. I bought my 60gig PS3 at launch but using an EBgames trade in deal that removed like 300$ off my bill.
As for the PC, I bought a completely new machine from head to toes. It was when the Core I7 just came out and the CPU alone was like 800$. Add the motherboard (300), 21 inch monitor (200), power supply (60-80), dvd player/burner (150), 6.5 gig of ram (200), keyb + mouse, Vista64 home Premium (200) and a RadeonHD 4860 (150). Add tax to this all and the bill is climbing extremely fast. I wish I would still find my bill to give you precise prices that's roughly what I paid here.
Gully State
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NIN90 said:
I feel as though almost everyone getting into building a PC makes these kinds of mistakes. My first build was relatively expensive as well (nowhere near Ranger's budget) and it was because I didn't pay enough attention to benchmarks etc... It's one of those you really need to do your research first before jumping into your build.
lol, If I find my bill I will show it to you guys.
What's worse is that I went through ALOT of stores in Montreal and really really got the cheapest PC parts I could find. And I wanted a Corei7 right away because I needed power to render stuff and didn't want to buy a MAc...
What's worse is that I went through ALOT of stores in Montreal and really really got the cheapest PC parts I could find. And I wanted a Corei7 right away because I needed power to render stuff and didn't want to buy a MAc...
MoFuzz
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For future shopping purposes, particularly on electronics/computer parts, shopbot.ca and pricecanada.com are your friends.Ranger X said:
Or just pop into the "I need a new PC thread" on GAF and get some opinions on whether or not you're getting a good deal.
That goes for all would be buyers.
Orellio said:
Thing is, I remember checking online stores too and they were on par with Microbytes (where I bought my PC parts). It was either I buy a set/kit that wasn't necessarily what I wanted or either I build it myself but paying more. I chose the "paying more" in the end because I knew exactly wich PC I wanted to build.
Gully State
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Ranger X said:
You could've gotten comparable performance with different hardware at significantly less if you absolutely had to have it by a certain date or you could've waited slightly longer for prices to drop. Either way you paid way too much for what you got... This is why you shop by budget/performance rather than specific parts..
DennisK4 said:
Just looking at my fairly small PS360 game collection and most of them (which I've listed below) aren't actually available on the PC, and a few of them are best in class.
Alan Wake
Bayonetta
The Beatles Rock Band
Final Fantasy XIII
Ikaruga
Katamari Forever
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time
Rock Band 3
Uncharted 1 and 2
Wipeout HD Fury
For Canada:Ranger X said:
www.directcanada.com
www.newegg.ca
www.ncix.com
www.canadacomputers.com
www.memoryexpress.com
www.tigerdirect.ca
Memory Express, NCIX and Canada Computers have a few physical locations. And I think they all price match.
Find a part. Look through those sites. Buy from the cheapest one. Or price match at a local shop.
evil solrac v3.0
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bluestuff said:
well first off, Blops is a shitty game coded shittily. sounds to me like you didn't spend wisely. but to put in perspective, my girlsfriends 2007 dell XPS 410 witha GTX 8800 ultra can still run 90% of games at 60 frames and the punishing ones, (metro 2033, STALKER : COP are 25-30 and under) it's not bad at all when you consider PC tech advances quicker than console tech.
Gully State
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evil solrac v3.0 said:
That and 25-30 FPS is nothing to scoff at if it's still at better than 720p resolution.
gutter_trash
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games that are unavailable on PC + sitting on the coach comfort