gamechanger87
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Yes. It is all persistent. You can go try and destroy it even more.
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Crackdown 3: 10 minute pre-alpha gameplay demo
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Yes. It is all persistent. You can go try and destroy it even more.
i plays game lol
Banned
Yeah I assume we might see some of it but having full destruction in single player just doesn't make sense.
You can do that in Red Faction.
Pretty sure they said that the collisions are still being calculated on the rubble. I'm guessing that the only time they stop is when the pieces get small enough to not matter.
Having said that, I would have like to see them fire a rocket into one of the debris piles to see the collisions et all at play.
The Albatross
Member
I think they've said that the all-out destruction is not in single player, but I think that's probably for conceptual reasons. In multiplayer, you can blow up an entire region of a map and then when a new round stars, it's all put back together and nobody thinks twice about it. In a single player game, if you destroy a major portion of the city and it stays that way for ever, that might take away gameplay opportunities later in the story.
Also, it would mean you'd have to be online for single player mode.
The Albatross
Member
The commentator mentions that "in crackdown fashion" you could pick up a piece of rubble and throw it. Athough it looks like at some point the rubble gets too small to interact with.
He said that you "could" do that if you wanted to, but he didn't suggest that would be the extent of the game...
Presumably, there will be mobs of enemies shooting at you from all over the place and trying to run you over in their vehicles... So shooting a stationary object until the building falls is probably not something a typical user would be compelled to do, let a lone able to without interference.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Do they?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-sony-creates-custom-ps3-for-playstation-now
That doesn't sound like they're using someone elses servers, because average servers can't run Ps3 games and Sony obviously hasn't developed a Ps3 emulator yet.
It still has to store the places of the falling pieces.
Its clear he say this is x times "reserved of physic in xbox one not total power of xbone". Meaning this is x times the amount we set aside of the xbox one total "power"/storage reserves for physics for our game.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I'm finding it hard to understand what they are calling a "server". They define "one xbox" as the resources a XB1 could dedicate to physics, so some % of the total CPU FLOPS. So when they spawn a "server" it obviously is not a whole computer, but some VM with a slice of a real physical server. By defining the "server" as a piece of a real computer they are exaggerating the compute power. If they used a real physical server, then it could probably power many many more sections of the city (whole city maybe), using a real 24 core computer instead of 2 core VM for example. Great for PR though.
It's also very wasteful to persist the debris. They could easily let crap disappear and just persist the big chunks. It would look better and not waste resources just for bragging sake.
Sounds logical. /s
Nah, what this video shows is that it takes multiple servers to handle the physics in one game instance. The servers spin up on demand depending on what's happening in the game.
Sony does have servers for the purpose of games streaming, but they don't have the infrastructure to provide this type of service... The only reason MS has the capacity is because these servers were actually built for and justified by the existence of other parts of their MS' business...
I can't see Sony or any other 3rd party being able to justify building something similar to what MS has, just for the purpose of gaming... It would make $ense for 3rd parties to work with MS if they want these types of features in their games...
gamechanger87
Member
Game streaming requires a different set of hardware than what PSN and XBL traditionally use. A server can't process a game and send you the video signal.
Both PSN and XBL use traditional cloud/server providers and that is what MS is using here with Azure. PSN uses Rackspace.
PSNow is only available in US and UK. Sony would have to limit the game to US and UK. Even then I don't' believe they have enough servers in these regions. Also it ain't like these servers that are used for streaming can suddenly be switched to do what MS is doing with crackdown.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How was I proven wrong? I was never even involved in that original thread for the supposed crow eating of a PRE-alpha demo bump. And if it was a shit thread as your brother in arms suggested, then why bump the shit in the first place? Let shit die, no?
Right, wars. Forgot about that. You know, you guys are almost like a little xbox gang in here. The same 5 of you keep this shit going, started once again by Ricardo for quoting me from a thread merger post.
Funks sakes.
Yeah from the other thread someone said they say it VM clusters.
Gaikai tech is specifically built for streaming, like On-Live.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
If this is even half as good as Red Faction Guerrilla it should be great.
It's about damn time someone topped the destruction from that game!
It's about damn time someone topped the destruction from that game!
No they are just that knew what this was from the beginning and the masses just trashed them and this tech. They deserve their day in the spotlight. I was a believer because our business and millions of other businesses use it in the real world. We have just never seen it applied successfully in the gaming world.
why did you even come in this thread again?
and not almost, our gang is up and running.
This isn't entirely true. With the acquisition of Gaikai Sony inherited a fairly large cluster of servers, suitable for such cloud tasks. That they're concentrating on using them for PSNow instead of anything else, is the companies decision. They also already offer business storage and data solutions with their cloud media service. Obviously Azure has far more servers, but that doesn't really mean much. I doubt Microsoft will allocate a vast number of servers specifically for Crackdown. Ultimately Azure's primary usage is still in alternative business solutions.
No they aren't... The number of VMs doing work is irrelevant... All that matters is the amount of work being done, and how much computational power it takes to do that work...
They then relate that computational power, to how much work a single xb1 unit can do for the sake of understanding...
Sheesh, they show the shit working in real time and people are still wanting to find a way to call in PR bullshit...
Also, I don't care how 'wasteful' it is. If this tech allows them to deliver the game they want without compromising, so beat it... Gimme all my debri!
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Red faction was great for its time but it is bonkos to think it's anywhere near the same level.
You can see half of the debris falling directly through the ground and immediately disappearing. There is easily 100 times more shit going on in the crackdown demo.
Such a rad game. The multiplayer is still the GOAT.
Flightwave
Member
I think comparing the destruction in this to Red Faction is a bit silly TBH. The objects in Red Faction were made up of big pre-defined chunks. It didn't matter if you shot a certain part of a building with an assault rifle or a pistol, the destruction would always be the same.
pfff Mario was doing this in the 80s
same.
Quoting for truth.
Same.
Also MS are liars and this is fake. (Reddit /r/gaming told me this.)
tomchoucrew
Member
I don't know if it is the exact same presentation (cannot see from here since the wifi is so slow) but just in case we also have it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9ZaoJ3jbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9ZaoJ3jbY
The size and scope of microsofts existing cloud business is what makes this economically feasible. If Sony isn't going to build out a similar infrastructure for the sake of gaming alone... Unlike MS they don't have $600mil annual server business to justify the build out...
Pathfinder
Member
Looks like same video but shot by someone sitting somewhere else.
amazing, thanks everyone. this is easily my most anticipated game.
Amazing. I just wonder how much time it takes to set up a piece of geometry for this, and that building variety doesnt suffer for it
yeah exactly, no game both nails destructability and having variety in its environments so far
yeah exactly, no game both nails destructability and having variety in its environments so far
That's a strange way to look at things. Do you feel the same way when you see purely graphical improvements in games? For example, when you see subsurface scattering on the main characters face in a game, do you consider that something that's being done "just for bragging sake"?
Pathfinder
Member
I hope so too. They have a year to pretty it up, so, crossing fingers.
The irony is that the people who believed in the tech had to endure almost three years of catty comments, memes, and various other snark from people who seemed to think that "the powa of da cloud" was some unrealistic marketing scheme. Now, the naysayers have had to eat crow for a few HOURS (if they even can bear to admit to themselves what has happened) and they're already tapping out and crying foul.
You reap what you sow.
The advantage of their virtual Azure servers.
They can scale them as they please. Launch week they just double their servers and scale it back afterwards depending on players.
hikarutilmitt
Member
If it's even close to like this and plays more like 1 than 2, I'll be joining the Xbone family eventually.
So this is where we're at now. Amazing.
Presumably it will lag, like any other game... Or boot you out like any MP game does when the server goes down...
Yeah, the explicit and many numbers ms shared with us regarding this tech leads to such a statement and I can't believe how anyone can say otherwise.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
The goalposts are no longer moving, but are flying with rockets.
Yep, the one server will go down when it's hot outside. They could move the one server dedicated for this to a cold region but perhaps the internet there is too bad.
Let's hope they get the cooling right for the one server or else there will be an outrage!
If it all works like that, with minimum lag and a handful of players, it will be damn awesome to play. While destruction is not new in games, the scale of what is going on here is massive. I guess the problem is people won't know until it comes out.
I just hope MS do some open test beta to test that cloud stuff out before release.
The Splitting of servers to deal with different parts is also crazy cool. Just hope it all works!
I just hope MS do some open test beta to test that cloud stuff out before release.
The Splitting of servers to deal with different parts is also crazy cool. Just hope it all works!
gamechanger87
Member
I believe they said beta next summer.