A much better statement than inkblot's celebratory post. I hope FGC leaders do a lot to educate the community about how hurtful this kind of harassment can be, even if it's in jest. There's a difference between competitive mind games and making someone sexually uncomfortable, or completely unwelcome at a live event.
Well, that still leaves Miranda who claims that it didn't stop and that people were ignoring the problem. I don't know what to think anymore.
Well, Sunday definitely happened, but it could be that any even mild teasing could have been perceived as harassment by Miranda after what happened.
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys participated in local/major tourneys and have you ever felt uncomfortable?
I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.
Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.
The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.
Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.
What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.
Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.
All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.
I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.
I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys participated in local/major tourneys and have you ever felt uncomfortable?
Honest question cause I've never been to a tournament, how many people attend a typical tourney? How bout the biggest ones? Roughly how big is the hardcore FGC scene across the US? 10,000 - 20,000 people? More?
Not like it makes any difference considering the serious accusations and issues brought up in this thread, just curious.
Outrage is easier to manufacture than good writing.
I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.
Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.
The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.
Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.
What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.
Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.
All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.
I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.
I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys participated in local/major tourneys and have you ever felt uncomfortable?
Good shit Sp00ky. A true leader of the community right here.
I'm sure the gaming press will ignore this, though. "Fighting game scene full of sexual predators" is a much flashier headline.
@Toronto tourneys nobody swears really IMHO maybe we Canadians are just nice naturally
@Toronto tourneys nobody swears really IMHO maybe we Canadians are just nice naturally
I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.
Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.
The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.
Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.
What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.
Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.
All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.
I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.
I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.
But Rea thinks the company could go farther. "I think it would be in [Capcom's] best interest to say to these guys 'Hey, if we're going to give you money, if we're going to sponsor your event with cash, you'd better keep it relatively clean.' It's in their best interest as a sponsor. That's kind of in the sponsor's responsibility."
Do we go to the same Toronto tourneys? Have you met RDK? lol
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys participated in local/major tourneys and have you ever felt uncomfortable?
Someone should Tweet it to Klepek.
What? The only way to get to the top is to be an absolute soulless bigot pig that's a straight shooter telling it as it is and only seeing green and caring about the bottom line.
Thank you for taking the time to write a response here Spooky. Very much appreciated and I completely agree.I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.
Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.
The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.
Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.
What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.
Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.
All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.
I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.
I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys participated in local/major tourneys and have you ever felt uncomfortable?
Capcom definitely failed in handling this issue. Just on the fact that they actually allowed Aris to stay on the show. If he wanted to apologize for it then that's fine, but they should've removed him to show that there's zero tolerance toward that type of shit.
True. The Street Fighter side of things was pretty much flawless.
#esports
I just want to say that I'm really looking forward to seeing Aris being a part of the FGC in the future as well. He's actually a pretty entertaining guy.
You're FallingEdge from EFL/Colorado, right?
I've been to a couple of EFL's tourneys, and although I felt intimidated by the sheer skill some of the dudes had at first, it just felt right and the matches that I had gave me the hype back that I lost from playing online/with friends to improve myself. I moved to Centennial this past fall, so I haven't been able to attend any other tournaments since then, but I think I'll hit up Payback 3 just so I can be beaten back down and get into ze grind mode again.
Support your local fighting game scenes, kids.
Capcom definitely failed in handling this issue. Just on the fact that they actually allowed Aris to stay on the show. If he wanted to apologize for it then that's fine, but they should've removed him to show that there's zero tolerance toward that type of shit.
Capcom definitely failed in handling this issue. Just on the fact that they actually allowed Aris to stay on the show. If he wanted to apologize for it then that's fine, but they should've removed him to show that there's zero tolerance toward that type of shit.
What's really getting me here is Jared. He's really coming off as an opportunist here. He's on record as not liking how the Spooky/IPW streams run, and he basically baited Aris into saying what he said. Then he gets in contact with all these people in the gaming media, and these articles about how the community is terrible go up.
I really don't like the guy.
Thank you for taking the time to write a response here Spooky. Very much appreciated and I completely agree.
What's really getting me here is Jared. He's really coming off as an opportunist here. He's on record as not liking how the Spooky/IPW streams run, and he basically baited Aris into saying what he said. Then he gets in contact with all these people in the gaming media, and these articles about how the community is terrible go up.
I really don't like the guy.
Yo I just moved out to Denver. I'm at Thornton to be exact.
Any chance you could PM me some details on the scene here, when sessions or tournaments might be, if it's 360 set ups, etc?
Great post Sp00ky. Much respect.I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.
Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.
The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.
Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.
What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.
Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.
All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.
I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.
I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.
Wait, Jared is the one who got in touch with the publications? Is that confirmed somehow somewhere?
Also, how did he bait Aris? Did I miss something?
I mean I'm not a fan of Jared's or anything, but I don't exactly hate him. I dislike some of what I've been reading/hearing of him, but if the above is true, then I may have a new opinion on him altogether.
What's really getting me here is Jared. He's really coming off as an opportunist here. He's on record as not liking how the Spooky/IPW streams run, and he basically baited Aris into saying what he said. Then he gets in contact with all these people in the gaming media, and these articles about how the community is terrible go up.
I really don't like the guy.
Wait, Jared is the one who got in touch with the publications? Is that confirmed somehow somewhere?
Also, how did he bait Aris? Did I miss something?
I mean I'm not a fan of Jared's or anything, but I don't exactly hate him. I dislike some of what I've been reading/hearing of him, but if the above is true, then I may have a new opinion on him altogether.
What's really getting me here is Jared. He's really coming off as an opportunist here. He's on record as not liking how the Spooky/IPW streams run, and he basically baited Aris into saying what he said. Then he gets in contact with all these people in the gaming media, and these articles about how the community is terrible go up.
I really don't like the guy.
Wait, Jared is the one who got in touch with the publications? Is that confirmed somehow somewhere?
Also, how did he bait Aris? Did I miss something?
I mean I'm not a fan of Jared's or anything, but I don't exactly hate him. I dislike some of what I've been reading/hearing of him, but if the above is true, then I may have a new opinion on him altogether.