killatopak
Member
False. Easy to prove with PS3, Wii, 360, PS4, XBO, VR, PC sales and all the mods especially the HD restoration on PC. Randomizers, game overhauls, story remixes and ultra hard mod livestreams.
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Crowbcat soul vs soulles Resident Evil 4 Remake
False. Easy to prove with PS3, Wii, 360, PS4, XBO, VR, PC sales and all the mods especially the HD restoration on PC. Randomizers, game overhauls, story remixes and ultra hard mod livestreams.
Sleepwalker
Member
Fair, I should've said hardcore community, speedrunners are just a part of it.
omegasc
Member
A miserable pile of secrets?
Sorry.
Ulysses 31
Member
If I had to try to give a quick description it would be something involving the vibe and the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.
Madflavor
Member
Plenty of people are aware he did it as a way to troll people. He changed the title for a whole day before reverting back to the original. But regardless if it's trolling or not, this is the first time the guy ever got any sort of backlash, especially at this scale which his like/dislike ratio hovered between 40-45% dislikes. So it undoubtedly got under his skin, at least enough for him to be petty about it.
Signal Rockets
Banned
The RE3 remake was an actual genuine travesty.
To be honest, RE4 is off the hook in the bad quality department. At least Capcom didn't screw with it as much as the previous two remakes.
To be honest, RE4 is off the hook in the bad quality department. At least Capcom didn't screw with it as much as the previous two remakes.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
havent played remake4 yet (only the demo), but seems like...
remake4 = more realistic, more of a believable world, catered to modern tastes
og re4 = more fantastical, more inspired, seems like they just had a good time making it
excited to play remake4, but my moneys on og re4.
remake4 = more realistic, more of a believable world, catered to modern tastes
og re4 = more fantastical, more inspired, seems like they just had a good time making it
excited to play remake4, but my moneys on og re4.
Signal Rockets
Banned
I prefer the 2005 game as well, but this is definitely the second best remake, with 2 being a close runner up. Although I just wasn't keen on all of the cut content, and whatnot.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
it's definitely more subdued but its still bombastic compared to say dying light and tlou2. Its still got that B movie feel. Lots of funny encounters.
I have no doubt that some might prefer the original over this game, but to call it soulless is just silly. I think something like CoD or Ass Creed Valhalla or Far Cry might be what you'd call soulless. This game aint it. The game design alone is a love letter to past RE games.
I get that people on the internet love to overreact but this aint the right way to critique this game. A better video wouldve been him sitting down after writing his thoughts down and taking us through the comparisons. This is just lazy and it undermines his point.
Ulysses 31
Member
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
A Crowbcat fanboy calling people who rightfully called out the bullshit as cringe fanboys of Gmanlives? Pass. What a joke.
Draugoth
Gold Member
stickkidsam
Member
Synthetic Man put up a pretty solid analysis of Crowbcat's video. Helps elaborate on where the comparisons weren't fair or could've been better communicated.
In Defense of Crowbcat
Edit: lol timing
In Defense of Crowbcat
Edit: lol timing
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R6Rider
Gold Member
Too bad Synthetic Man is a dogshit channel/"content creator".
stickkidsam
Member
But he doesn’t have a dog
R6Rider
Gold Member
ExactlyBut he doesn’t have a dog
stickkidsam
Member
Synthetic dog turds sound like good fun for April lol
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
He fails to disprove any of the lies that crowbcat has pushed in his video, relies on personal insults and generally antagonizing anyone who disagrees, all while saying "well it was how *I* played it". It is as shit of a video as Crowbcat's.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I don't think you understand context or irony. Criticizing RE4Remake is perfectly fine. Making shit up and purposefully being disingenuous is not.
R6Rider
Gold Member
I actually really like this cover. If it was just Leon it would be boring, but the half n half is cool.For me the only thing thats “soulless“ about RE4R is the cover art.
FANTASTIC game but it has such a boring ass cover.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I don’t know to me it looks dull, nothing striking about it.
I’m also SUPER hyped for FFXVI as well but just dont like cover art in that games as well. Very typical and generic cover.
fatmarco
Member
I didn't see anything in the video that seemed disingenuous though, that's sort of my point, maybe outside of the implication that for the things that were removed, that nothing was added to the remake.
Saber
Gold Member
For me the only thing thats “soulless“ about RE4R is the cover art.
FANTASTIC game but it has such a boring ass cover.
I kinda like it though. Its simple, smooth and deliver the message.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I guess I'm alone on that opinion.
Edit: Then again I'm also type of person who really likes hand drawn cover this is why I wish FFXVI this type of cover...
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Madflavor
Member
I don’t know to me it looks dull, nothing striking about it.
I’m also SUPER hyped for FFXVI as well but just dont like cover art in that games as well. Very typical and generic cover.
Count me as someone who loves it. For a few reasons I'll shoot off:
- At the heart of FFXVI is the story of two brothers, which are the only two people on the cover.
- Clive being enveloped by flames is a representation of his rage, and the story's theme of revenge.
- The position of Ifrit's head and horns blends in with Clive's shoulder and almost looks like his pauldron.
- In general I like the color scheme of white, orange, and gray. This is gonna be a dark tale.
I love the handdrawn art you posted, but I feel like this cover does a good job getting across what FFXVI is all about.
Draugoth
Gold Member
For me the only thing thats “soulless“ about RE4R is the cover art.
FANTASTIC game but it has such a boring ass cover.
The original one isnt a big deal either
Madflavor
Member
Sleepwalker
Member
Crowbcat: Mikami has no soul
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stickkidsam
Member
He's not there to disprove the "lies" in Crowbcat's video; he's offering constructive criticism while dismissing the butthurt mob. I'd say that has more value than trying to disprove unproven claims. Claims which can easily be chalked up to incidental differences in player set ups. Like Crowbcat or not, he doesn't have a history of doctoring footage.
So Synthetic Man dismissed the topic and instead tackled other issues with Crowbcat's video. If flinging some shit while he did it invalidates his whole video then this entire controversy belongs in the can.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
He *is* the butthurt mob. No self respecting person would immediately dive into strawman arguments and insulting anyone who is criticising Crowbcat. He clearly has a stick up his ass when it comes to GManLives and their audience. This is less a "constructive criticism" video and a more a fanboy whining that others are calling out someone for the BS.
SkyHighTrees
Member
why did dude alter the audio tho? fuck em for that fuck em
March Climber
Member
After playing the original again, I can comment on what he did that was disingenuous.
1. He cherry picked the enemy A.I. footage to make the OG RE 4 appear better. One easy way to compare this situation: When in the castle, get to the room that has the cage fall above you and you're locked into it with the wolverine claw blind guy. Go through the lock behind you, exit, and circle around the cage. The enemies will try to chase you through cage walls and won't even consider the fact that they can leave the entrance behind them that you've just created in order to fight you. You can easily shoot them or mess around with them from there. There are more examples but this is a much more obvious one.
2. He mixed the audio improperly in multiple sections and cherry picked the OG's audio at times. If you play the remake with music off, there are ambient sounds where there should be. He turned off/turned down the music where there should be music in certain moments. Also the mixing for the original was only built for mono/stereo speakers on 4:3 TVs and had very little to no 3D audio, so it has been boosted since inception. To say this as nice as possible, 'boosted audio = good' is a very level 1 brain take when it comes to audio. Who knows, maybe Crowbcat also likes soundcloud artists who are terrible at mixing too as long as it's loud
Also, Crowbcat shows a few rooms of the castle to imply that the eerie humming noise is ambience, but it is not. That noise/music is when you are in an enemy encounter. He left one enemy alive, off screen, and let the music play to imply that the combat theme is ambience. When if you play the original, the rooms in the castle are extremely quiet once out of combat and all you can hear in 95% of them are Leon's footsteps. He even proves this(against his own video title) later on in some of the rooms, for example where you grab the goat head after fighting the knights.
3. The Krauser section is extremely disingenous and cherry picked. His footage makes a large implication that there is no actual knife fight gameplay in the remake and that the OG has quick time events. The remake fleshed out the entire fight into a full on knife fight with added QTE's and dialogue(that he conveniently skipped). He also conveniently skipped the second Krauser fight and the Mike/Helicopter guy fights which were both done better in the remake. Honestly, he skipped entire parts in the remake(including additions) to only showcase what he felt was worse.
This is why people are saying this is a bad video. The problem is that everyone who's pointing this out is being called a 'Resident Evil 4 Remake fanboy' or worse, but most of the people like myself just want a fair 1:1 comparison and not whatever lazy pointed edits these were. He is capable of better and he shows it in his past videos.
Even in this video for example: He is right about the cut content. You could argue it was for creative purposes, lore purposes, or maybe will be included in the DLC for Ada. However that's fair, what's cut is cut. The same goes for some of the little extra animations including death animations, gross leaking out of the more bug-like enemies, etc. That's fair to criticize because it was left out or edited differently. If this were a more honest video, it would be an amazing comparison piece. As it is now, it needs a ton of work and the tons of people looking from the outside in who've never played the Remake are getting a very, very biased comparison shown to them from a youtuber who's usually better at this.
bender
What time is it?
I'm not sure crowbcat is where you'd go for a fair comparison as he will lean into things for comedic effect. Did he cross too far over the line? Maybe. Do the transgressions wipe away the valid points? Probably not but as you pointed out, it has seemingly diminished them. I might be off base but I doubt many people look to crowbcat for purchasing decisions.
March Climber
Member
He didn't used to do this when it came to his comparison pieces. Check out his Dark Souls vs Dark Souls remastered, Far Cry 2 vs Far Cry 5 details, Dead Rising 1 vs Dead Rising 4, etc. He would go into full detail of nearly each and every part of both games as comparison pieces, unbiased, and let the commenters decide. He didn't make odd cuts or edits to backup a biased opinion and would instead let the work speak for itself.
There is a very distinct difference between those videos and this one.
I don’t think he crossed any lines. Again, my posts aren’t about the game. This is about Crowbcat. I just think that he was sloppy. He released this video way too soon before it was fully ready to be released, probably because he has strong feelings on the game due to the video title and the fact that he edited the description. Because of that, the content feels a bit rushed and more biased, comparative to his other works.
I mainly added that final part because unlike his other videos where he waits 6 months to a full year or more to make a long detailed comparison, this one particularly came out much closer to a game's release date than usual. That feels like it could influence purchasing decisions since he is a YouTuber that can get millions to watch him.
Wildebeest
Member
I don't know what to think about this. On one hand perhaps some character was lost, but on the other hand this is all Millennial nostalgia overdose to a sickening level. As a Gen-X I can only be bitter because we were always told that everything from our past was bad, and we have rose-tinted glasses. We didn't get coddled when we talked about games losing character for much bigger changes than this.
bender
What time is it?
He's one of my few Youtube subscriptions so I've seen all of his stuff. You may very well be correct, but I don't ever remember another one of his videos being picked apart like this one. That could be for a lot of reasons:
-He's never exaggerated before.
-He exaggerated far more this time around that it was obvious to his audience.
-The target in his sights has been received far better than the subject of his past videos leading to the additional scrutiny.
-Some combination of all the factors.
I doubt this is his first time exaggerating to prove a point mostly because he rarely releases videos anymore so this doesn't seem like it would be an attempt at views for cash or fame. It feels like he just creates videos these days when he's inspired. Yeah I know, that's a lot of assumptions on my part.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
To add to my prior comment I thought about this game after release and asked myself if I would play through it again on professional and I think so later on.
With RE4 original I jumped right back in for more and came back to it often. Idk if I’ll keep coming back to it or remake now. Time will tell.
IMO I think the original is what I’ll play again when I’m in the mood but there is so many things about remake I enjoy like the less annoying Ashley sequences and amount of themx, bosses here vs original, and furthermore all of Krouser is top shelf.
With RE4 original I jumped right back in for more and came back to it often. Idk if I’ll keep coming back to it or remake now. Time will tell.
IMO I think the original is what I’ll play again when I’m in the mood but there is so many things about remake I enjoy like the less annoying Ashley sequences and amount of themx, bosses here vs original, and furthermore all of Krouser is top shelf.
TheDuskwalker
Member
When compared to OG 4 NA boxart, that's fine. Could be worse.For me the only thing thats “soulless“ about RE4R is the cover art.
FANTASTIC game but it has such a boring ass cover.
I even used to have a shirt of the OG 2 cover.
March Climber
Member
fatmarco
Member
After playing the original again, I can comment on what he did that was disingenuous.
1. He cherry picked the enemy A.I. footage to make the OG RE 4 appear better. One easy way to compare this situation: When in the castle, get to the room that has the cage fall above you and you're locked into it with the wolverine claw blind guy. Go through the lock behind you, exit, and circle around the cage. The enemies will try to chase you through cage walls and won't even consider the fact that they can leave the entrance behind them that you've just created in order to fight you. You can easily shoot them or mess around with them from there. There are more examples but this is a much more obvious one.
2. He mixed the audio improperly in multiple sections and cherry picked the OG's audio at times. If you play the remake with music off, there are ambient sounds where there should be. He turned off/turned down the music where there should be music in certain moments. Also the mixing for the original was only built for mono/stereo speakers on 4:3 TVs and had very little to no 3D audio, so it has been boosted since inception. To say this as nice as possible, 'boosted audio = good' is a very level 1 brain take when it comes to audio. Who knows, maybe Crowbcat also likes soundcloud artists who are terrible at mixing too as long as it's loud
Also, Crowbcat shows a few rooms of the castle to imply that the eerie humming noise is ambience, but it is not. That noise/music is when you are in an enemy encounter. He left one enemy alive, off screen, and let the music play to imply that the combat theme is ambience. When if you play the original, the rooms in the castle are extremely quiet once out of combat and all you can hear in 95% of them are Leon's footsteps. He even proves this(against his own video title) later on in some of the rooms, for example where you grab the goat head after fighting the knights.
3. The Krauser section is extremely disingenous and cherry picked. His footage makes a large implication that there is no actual knife fight gameplay in the remake and that the OG has quick time events. The remake fleshed out the entire fight into a full on knife fight with added QTE's and dialogue(that he conveniently skipped). He also conveniently skipped the second Krauser fight and the Mike/Helicopter guy fights which were both done better in the remake. Honestly, he skipped entire parts in the remake(including additions) to only showcase what he felt was worse.
This is why people are saying this is a bad video. The problem is that everyone who's pointing this out is being called a 'Resident Evil 4 Remake fanboy' or worse, but most of the people like myself just want a fair 1:1 comparison and not whatever lazy pointed edits these were. He is capable of better and he shows it in his past videos.
Even in this video for example: He is right about the cut content. You could argue it was for creative purposes, lore purposes, or maybe will be included in the DLC for Ada. However that's fair, what's cut is cut. The same goes for some of the little extra animations including death animations, gross leaking out of the more bug-like enemies, etc. That's fair to criticize because it was left out or edited differently. If this were a more honest video, it would be an amazing comparison piece. As it is now, it needs a ton of work and the tons of people looking from the outside in who've never played the Remake are getting a very, very biased comparison shown to them from a youtuber who's usually better at this.
I think for the first point regarding AI, you probably should have chosen something to compare that wasn't cut from the remake lol.
I agree with the comparisons of the combat audio playing, like in the water room in the OG but not in the remake footage though, that's a genuine fuck up / intentional misrepresentation.
I wouldn't say the final Krauser fight or Helicopter Mike bits were better in the remake though, they were extremely similar to the original.
And yea definitely agree that if you're going to show what was cut, probably should show what was added, like the castle wall section, the extended Luis narrative etc. which were all cool stuff.
I would just say though, there are still a lot of things that the remake, often bizarrely, does worse and I haven't seen it being called out on it enough (and I think, even comparisons to the other remakes would make it come across worse, especially in regards to animation), so maybe it was good to have a reversed biased take to counter the launch period high of the remake.
Madflavor
Member
I feel like it's those two points. It's just a weird target to go after, especially since he did nothing with RE3R, which if we're gonna talk "Soul vs. Soulless", that game was an obvious rush job with the staggering about of content from the Original that wasn't in the Remake.
Also there's a great deal of people within the "Original is superior" crowd that don't seem to get that the Remake is clearly taking a very different approach to it's tone. It's a Remake that offers a different take on the story, which reinforces the sentiment that both the Original and the Remake can co-exist because they offer different experiences. Some of the complaints toward the Remake really just boil down to it not technically being "worse", but just different. With CrowbCat's video it's very clearly edited in a way to make the Remake look inferior with every comparison made, and a lot of people saw right through it.
It was just a miscalculated move by CrowbCat, because I don't think it's going to be the same for him after this. Once that critical eye is on you, it never goes away.
March Climber
Member
I was wondering if you could expand more on this part. I’m not seeing the positives to creating counter pieces to a good game that’s generally being received well.
fatmarco
Member
Just purely to contain the hyperbole. I was thinking more that there is this period when a new cool game is out, and people start dismissing the old game as being mostly inferior, but then maybe 3-6 months later, or even a year later it turns, and it starts to become common to dismiss the recent title and isolate and target ways the older title was always better, which ends up consuming the conversation and skewing the perception of the newer game.
One side of the argument is biased by contemporary hype, and the other either nostalgia or a narrow perspective.
The point being that it might be better to have that conversation sooner, where we can have that discussion while we are still infatuated with the new game and can still vouch for the things that it did well, equivalently, or what it added to the overall experience. Then again, you could also argue this sort of content "doesn't let people enjoy things in the moment".
ParaSeoul
Member
Gman lied,imagine my shock