LurkerPrime
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Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
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I don't how long thread titles can be, but this is perfect.
zephervack
Member
Its the other way around my friend, now you can see everything, it was REALLY dark before, amazingly atmospheric.
pretty done
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Honestly if I have to use a torch in the PC version I'm gonna be upset. Sounds like an infuriating mechanic in this game where normal mobs are harder than most the bosses, and torch forces you to not 2hand or have a shield.
zephervack
Member
The solution to that is to put slightly easier mobs in dark parts to balance the fact that you cant equip a shield.
The bad solution is to "lol, lets throw away our amazing atmospheric darkness and torch mechanic"
My definition of mission was exaggerated. I hope that the assets use them more frequently for the PC version.
Forces you to, briefly, change up your play style. Keeps you on your tows and keeps games from becoming monotonous.
It also looks like there are sconces speckled throughout the level. Lure the enemies back to those to fight as well.
From the demo, it seemed like they balanced it with slower mobs that would be easier to maneuver around.
At least, the textures seem to be similar. At this point, I'll gladly switch to pc and take the TGS build.
Is it the same build we played during the network test?
pretty done
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I haven't found anything like the helmet, no. Maybe it exists.
Everything that I've read or heard about Dark Souls 1 was that for all intents and purposes that game was at parity for both consoles. There wasn't a huge gulf between them in terms of performance. They've already did a multiplat game with relative parity.
CadetMahoney
Member
ugh. PC build better not having any of those things missing. . . I expect superior geometry, original superior scenery and all the other stuff missing. not just simple things like resolution increase.
Dark Souls II |OT| Prepare To Cry
Cast Light, Skull Lantern, Sunlight Maggot.
Surely there is something like that in DS2?
I really see no way that the scenes which had a complete artistic redesign will feature the old design in any version. That doesn't make sense.
CountAntonius
Member
Because the game was developed on PS3 and it's easier to port to the 360. This was a PC game ported to the cell.
zephervack
Member
Speaking of the items to light the darkness in DS1.
Is there even complete darkness in DS2, anything like Tomb of the Giants??? Just say yes or no please, no spoilers.
Is there even complete darkness in DS2, anything like Tomb of the Giants??? Just say yes or no please, no spoilers.
Pyramid head
Banned
Up until a few weeks ago, no other version of Dark Souls 2 existed as far as we knew. Were you in every thread telling everyone that the game was never going to look anything like what we were seeing? Everyone who preordered or planned to buy DS2 had no reason to expect the massive downgrade we got.
The version we didn't get would have been a top looking PS360 title, the retail version really, really isn't.
So what do the grey areas look like when you cast light?
This item was featured early on for me in a loading screen.
More importantly: how is the performance?
Someone should try using torches in every grey area to see if performance is awful in any of them.
Lighter grey.
Don't you mean downgrade?
jimmypython
Member
It gets darker every time you use a
bonfire ascetic
floatingcoffins
Member
I've been lighting torches in all the areas that I can. The light/shadows looks pretty good. No slowdown issues (PS3 download version).
Just for fun, I turned the lighting adjustment almost all the way down in one area that wasn't lit and it's really dark with no light source.
Just for fun, I turned the lighting adjustment almost all the way down in one area that wasn't lit and it's really dark with no light source.
Maybe they decided it wasn't that amazing.
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Haunted
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Dark Souls II PC |OT| Durante pls
That is the best use of this .gif I've seen yet.
Seriously WTF
CountAntonius
Member
Could be. A ton of people complained about the mechanic from the beta build. I know I personally wouldn't have wanted it in more than one zone. That + performance issues probably spelled it's doom.
CountAntonius
Member
People just have a fire lit under their ass.
Indeed.
The difference between the reveal and the TGS demo is not really that jarring - The reveal was probably want they wanted the game to be like, TGS demo is probably what they managed to get it looking like.
The more baffling difference between TGS demo and Retail is the lighting. I would argue that they couldn't get a smooth framerate for the entire game with the lighting effects turned on, so they just turned it off and made the entire world brighter, which brings attention to things like the repeating textures you weren't supposed to see.
If that's what really happened, I don't see a reason why the PC couldn't have the new lighting. However, I still think it won't have it.
The more baffling difference between TGS demo and Retail is the lighting. I would argue that they couldn't get a smooth framerate for the entire game with the lighting effects turned on, so they just turned it off and made the entire world brighter, which brings attention to things like the repeating textures you weren't supposed to see.
If that's what really happened, I don't see a reason why the PC couldn't have the new lighting. However, I still think it won't have it.
PixelHorror
Member
Sadly, I agree with you, when journos asked FROM about the lack of options in the first port they said something like "we want everyone to have the same experience". It wouldn't surprise me.
CountAntonius
Member
Well I'm sure they don't want the two games to play differently depending on how much the torch mechanic changed the game. I would still like improved lighting though just not the full blown so dark you need a torch lighting.
DarknessTear
Banned
To all the people crying about the graphics, I'd like to say that I'm having so much fun actually playing the game right now. Are you jealous?
YOU AGAIN
No, jealousy is pretty childish and the only reason people aren't playing is because it's not out on PC yet.
Yes.
I've been crying about the graphics ,I've been playing the game and having so much fun actually. The graphics and torch downgrade are still worth complaining about. Also, I bet I have way more Awestones than you. Are you jealous?
What the fuck was the point of your post anyway?
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Gameplay > Graphics i guess
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Not as jealous as you will be when I'll play the superior PC version with superior lighting.
#PCMasterRace
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Some people have no standards.
Yep. Can't wait for the PC release. I don't want my first experience with a game I will probably play for years to be tainted by glaring graphical issues and screen tearing.
I had that experience with Wind Waker HD, where the lighting would become unmistakably hideous every time a chest was opened. I'd rather wait a month and a half to experience a version where I can focus on the gameplay.
allgamespc
Banned
haha kid please. Jealous of what? your 30 fps 720p resolution? please
@DarknessTear: Seriously?
In any case, I was going to wait for the PC version anyway, but if said PC version have the same graphics as the console versions, then I guess I won't buy Dark Souls 2. Not because I fear the game won't be good (by all accounts, it's still a wonderful game), but I'm not giving my money to a company which pulls out stunts like this. This is false advertising, a total lack of respect towards the consumers (since it's pretty obvious that they hid this downgrade on purpose - seriously, the game looked fine two months before its release!), and this kind of bullshit is just unforgivable (not to mention probably illegal).
In any case, I was going to wait for the PC version anyway, but if said PC version have the same graphics as the console versions, then I guess I won't buy Dark Souls 2. Not because I fear the game won't be good (by all accounts, it's still a wonderful game), but I'm not giving my money to a company which pulls out stunts like this. This is false advertising, a total lack of respect towards the consumers (since it's pretty obvious that they hid this downgrade on purpose - seriously, the game looked fine two months before its release!), and this kind of bullshit is just unforgivable (not to mention probably illegal).
I work in the industry and it worries me the amount of faith some of you guys are having on the pc build.
If the Steam size of 14gb is right it would probably be a LOT bigger to re enable the tech you're seeing from the TGS Demo.
It's more likely to be higher res textures and uncompressed audio unfortunately.
I hope I'm wrong but experience says otherwise,altho I have all the faith in the world for the modding community to bring out the potential of the PC release.
If the Steam size of 14gb is right it would probably be a LOT bigger to re enable the tech you're seeing from the TGS Demo.
It's more likely to be higher res textures and uncompressed audio unfortunately.
I hope I'm wrong but experience says otherwise,altho I have all the faith in the world for the modding community to bring out the potential of the PC release.