Kai Dracon
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New Game+ revelation just shot my hype through the goddamn roof.
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Dark Souls II |OT| The Dark Souls of Dark Souls
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CountAntonius
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This sucks. Really cuts down the number of players for PvP and the gear one can use for it. If that means to have optimal gear you are forced to go into NG+ with every PvP character I just find the change stupid as hell.
Indeed. That little morsel alone will go a long way in making it even better than the first one.
Necromanti
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I wonder if the "visual downgrade", so to speak, that we're seeing is due to the different path of development Dark Souls 2 has taken. The first game was specifically developed for consoles in mind (and probably used some visual tricks around that), optimizing it for their performance, while this game is using a new (next-gen oriented) engine with the PC version as the lead platform. Maybe the game didn't downscale as well to the console versions as much as a game specifically tailored to them.
In case anyone else didn't notice, it seems that the running attack while dual wielding will attack with both weapons.
I captured that from a YT video, and in it, I could hear two "hit" sounds in a row from that move.
I captured that from a YT video, and in it, I could hear two "hit" sounds in a row from that move.
Metroid-Squadron
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I guess we'll have to wait until the PC version is released since I don't see FROM doing a PC exclusive trailer.
One thing I had wished for was selectable difficulties. Not much of a fan of the forced higher modes upon clearing the game. One of my biggest gripes with the Souls series has been how pointless equipment has felt on new game+ cycles. Every time I ran Demon's Souls I would dress as lightly as possible and stay in hyper mode because of how much fucking damage you take on higher cycles. They sort of fixed that shit with poise in Dark Souls, but I still feel like you're getting decimated by shit even with some of the best armor. Equipment has always felt more like costumes instead of actual, you know, protective armor.
I've had numerous arguments with a buddy of mine over this and he continues to bring up the fact that Souls is more about player skill and that you shouldn't be able to "get by" with good armor. I somewhat agree, but I believe there's a middle ground that From hasn't found yet with this series regarding equipment. I'm in the camp that believes that the looks of an enemy (their size, what they're physically wielding, etc) should play a role into how powerful they are. I find it really dumb that a grunt zombie can almost kill me nearly as fast as the gaping dragon when the dragon is like 10X the size of that zombie. Stuff like drives me nuts in RPGs.
I've had numerous arguments with a buddy of mine over this and he continues to bring up the fact that Souls is more about player skill and that you shouldn't be able to "get by" with good armor. I somewhat agree, but I believe there's a middle ground that From hasn't found yet with this series regarding equipment. I'm in the camp that believes that the looks of an enemy (their size, what they're physically wielding, etc) should play a role into how powerful they are. I find it really dumb that a grunt zombie can almost kill me nearly as fast as the gaping dragon when the dragon is like 10X the size of that zombie. Stuff like drives me nuts in RPGs.
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QisTopTier
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What if it's new game plus that has the updated visuals :lol I mean it's already a different game so to speak
Let's hope the PvP isn't about getting optimal gear then. Those changes sound excellent for single player. NG+ in Dark Souls was a huge waste of time. The enemies just didn't scale hard enough.
Clarkus Darkus
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cheers squire :d
That's really cool.
Cloud Strife
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Regardless, it's a huge step in the right direction for replayability value, and FROM could build on it in future titles.
FUUUUUUCK I'm stoked!
It's really not that uncommon in the genre to have new enemies at harder difficulties or ng+. In Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden Black you'd run into guys you won't ever have seen in lower difficulties, or enemies from later on will appear in earlier parts of the game.
Going by the Reddit post, it seems all weapons are viable due to the change in weapon scaling. I don't know how practical that is yet, but I don't think what you're saying is clear cut.
Interestingly, they mentioned this in the "Making of" videos on IGN. They said they didn't want players to feel cheated because they tried going after a (relatively) non-imposing enemy but still ended up crushed.
I have no idea how well they handle this in Dark Souls 2. That said, there's something you have to take into account. Theoretically, a monster like Gaping Dragon should be able to kill you really easily. However, it can't be expected for every enemy to scale perfectly as the game still needs to be challenging when you're not fighting a boss. So both smaller enemies like the undead dudes and big monsters like Gaping Dragon still need do a good amount of damage to you.
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Curious_George
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Since you can't PvP against NG+ players unless you're in NG+ I'm not sure how gear is an issue. Either you stay in your first playthrough and use the gear there and face people with the same gear or NG+ and get whatever "optimal" gear becomes available then. I'm sure the PvP community will decide where the action should be at.
Considering I'd happily pay $15 for DLC that just took DkS 1 and gave me all new enemy combinations/layouts even with 0 new designs, that NG+ is different in any way from NG is read-my-mind wish fulfillment.
I'm remembering the difference between Ninja Gaiden difficulties: Crossbows vs six-barrel rapid-firing rocket launchers that can shoot through walls.
Or was that Ninja Gaiden 2?
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CountAntonius
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Depends on what the gear is. If It's gear that can be upgrade further that's one thing. But if it's a sword or piece of armor that you can't get until NG+ that pretty much makes it completely necessary if you want that specific moveset.
You are forced into the decision of getting the weapon you want and losing out on a huge number of players. I hate this decision.
Like I said before if this was better versions of existing weapons I don't mind but if it's completely new weapons and armor then yeah I have a problem with that. I also despise anything that shrinks down the pvp player pool and this does it in a big way.
Well, they pretty much are in Dark Souls already. Though I wouldn't expect anyone to know shit about the PvP balance before the game is even out.
The example I was thinking of was the black robe ninjas and cat demons. Those two enemies either don't show up at all on lower difficulties or are end game enemies.
Huh I can't think of any enemies that only show up on harder difficulties in Bayonetta. Encounters are changed though.
razgriz417
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wait I thought pvp was gated by the amount of total souls you've collected right? Not soul level in Demon's and Dark Souls?
It's something I would never want to figure out/balance, lol! There's ways to make "grunt" enemies interesting/challenging without straight up giving them a high damage output/value. I guess that's where status ailments, enemy positioning/"troop" sizes, etc. come into play. I fee like neither of the Souls game have figured this out yet. I had some of the best physical reduction gear in Dark Souls and little ass enemies were still wrecking me on new game "whatever" and it's just not cool and definitely not fun. Hoping the directors/producers or whomever is in charge hired some new programmers or had a chat with those guys, hah! I guess I'll see when I play it.
Clockwork5
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So it looks worse than it did in development. Is anyone surprised? Does this not happen with every single high-profile game?
Attention Gaf: every single screenshot or "gameplay" trailer you have seen of an unreleased game is bullshit. They are all bullshit. Games are never released at the resolution or fps that the developer stated before (and usually after) release. You will never get the product you were shown at e3. There, you don't have to worry about this any more.
You are welcome!
I can't wait for this beautiful game, thank you FROM.
Attention Gaf: every single screenshot or "gameplay" trailer you have seen of an unreleased game is bullshit. They are all bullshit. Games are never released at the resolution or fps that the developer stated before (and usually after) release. You will never get the product you were shown at e3. There, you don't have to worry about this any more.
You are welcome!
I can't wait for this beautiful game, thank you FROM.
CountAntonius
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Whoa
This is very cool.
BTW I always wished for a Guild Wars style PVP Arena where all players were locked to a soul level completely unrelated to your single player character.
There will be an arena at launch and it will be available near the beginning of the game.
This is very cool.
Supposedly. If this is the case what happens when PvP players stay locked to say level 100. I collect a ton of souls that I never use does this mean the game will be matching me with guys who have collected the same amount but put them into stat points? Seems like From wants to force you to keep leveling up but that's kinda against what the PvP community tends to do. It's gonna be interesting to see what how all these changes end up effecting fight clubs and such.
BTW I always wished for a Guild Wars style PVP Arena where all players were locked to a soul level completely unrelated to your single player character.
Did not know this. Holy shit this game is going to be great.
Grinchy
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So it looks worse than it did in development. Is anyone surprised? Does this not happen with every single high-profile game?
Attention Gaf: every single screenshot or "gameplay" trailer you have seen of an unreleased game is bullshit. They are all bullshit. Games are never released at the resolution or fps that the developer stated before (and usually after) release. You will never get the product you were shown at e3. There, you don't have to worry about this any more.
You are welcome!
I can't wait for this beautiful game, thank you FROM.
This wasn't bullshots released a year before release. This is footage from 2-3 months ago that ran fine being completely downgraded for mysterious reasons.
I'm as excited to get this game as the next guy, but I will never understand this weird, strong desire to come on the forum and be such an apologist.
I haven't watched any streams, but yes bows and crossbows are supposed to be way more useful now. I can't wait to see builds that focus on those range weapons, it will be very interesting.
razgriz417
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ah ok thanks, yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens
AKingNamedPaul
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So with the restrictions on invasions and such would it be harder to get a friend into your game as well? To assist you or to pvp, it seems like a more complicated task, right ?
CountAntonius
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Nevermind they say the range is still relevant so you will be matched with people in your SL level range who have acquired around the same amount of souls. So PvP players will probably end up only fighting each other after awhile. =/
I think it's only for invading right? Why should the number of souls attained matter if you are trying to help a person.
These changes personally all sound like care bear shit. They don't want players running into more experienced players at all. I could understand the twinking at low levels but if you are past say level 40 that souls level bs should go away. I want to be to invade anyone in my soul level not just other pvp players.
Garcia
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Neither will I, although it's only fair to assume that it's just a symptom of being completely poisoned by the hype machine.
Psycho_Mantis
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NG+ and Arena news sound awesome. Though I think once again the arena will be empty unless it gives you souls for winning.
So the more you pvp the more skilled players you encounter.
How is that a bad thing?
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GodParticle
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NG+ having new enemies and items is awesome. Did the last games do that? I never did NG+ for them
No, last game NG+ was pretty pointless, I did it once, it's pretty much just values are higher on enemies and.. that's it.
Dragon Puncher
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Nope, only stronger and more aggressive enemies.
CountAntonius
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That it continues to make your player pool smaller and smaller every single day? Also I don't think an experienced PvP player at level 100 is griefing another level 100 player. The gear you have at that level should be good enough to take on any level 100.
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