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Dark Souls II should allow invasions during Boss Battles
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RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Some of the things you people want would just end up with me going offline before going to attempt a boss.
And the ones wanting to invade even hollowed people would just have me going offline altogether until I figured out an area. I became that way for a reason, leave me alone!
And the ones wanting to invade even hollowed people would just have me going offline altogether until I figured out an area. I became that way for a reason, leave me alone!
Of All Trades
Member
I'd be ok with it so long as they went all the way and implemented severe penalties for dying while gravelording in a boss fight. Like character permadeath and a month-long lockout from the entire game. There's no way that From can QA the game to prevent some sort of bizarre, unnatural player behavior from unbalancing the battle so they may as well go the other direction and make it so invaders have to really want to do it.
ShadowgeistX
Member
Sounds ok, as long as the invader gets friendly-fired from the bosses too. If Smough can crush my head while I'm fighting him, the same should apply to the invader too. It would make for some funny situations as well.
ArkkAngel007
Member
No one here is against a harder Dark/Demon Souls. What they are against is having their experience ruined in a fashion that (at least in my consideration) is apart from the core gameplay.
Invasions is a great concept that is marred by Dark Souls' system being easily taken advantage of by the wrong sort of players.
Edit: There needs to be more risk when invading. Right now it's all reward and neglible risk for the those focusing on invasion runs, which is a large part of the problem.
InfiniDragon
Member
This would suck.
Boss battles are about skill, not whether you get jumped by someone hiding behind a boss and waiting like a vulture. And let's not kid ourselves, that's exactly what would happen.
The only way this would be kind of feasible is if it was back to Demon's Souls style where mobs attacked and killed ANY player character indiscriminately, Darkwraith, Sunbro or host.
Boss battles are about skill, not whether you get jumped by someone hiding behind a boss and waiting like a vulture. And let's not kid ourselves, that's exactly what would happen.
The only way this would be kind of feasible is if it was back to Demon's Souls style where mobs attacked and killed ANY player character indiscriminately, Darkwraith, Sunbro or host.
ihearthawthats
Banned
it would become the equivalent to camping in fps, but worse.
maybe if they design a specific boss around it, sure. but for any boss, it would be just an unbalanced mess (if they're anything like ds1 bosses). even in a 3vs2, bosses just have way too many aoe attacks they could hide behind.
maybe if they design a specific boss around it, sure. but for any boss, it would be just an unbalanced mess (if they're anything like ds1 bosses). even in a 3vs2, bosses just have way too many aoe attacks they could hide behind.
Deified Data
Banned
Sounds like a broken mess, no offense OP (it's a fun discussion to have anyway).
Improvements, specifically to online...well, I wouldn't mind seeing different "tiers" of PVP covenants, with rewards that scale with punishment. Imagine a very basic Darkwraith-esque covenant that features zero risk if you lose an invasion, with a relatively small reward (like souls) if you win. Alternately, imagine a covenant that offers great rewards if you win (like top-tier enhancement materials or gear), but if you lose the battle you lose whatever souls/humanity you're packing permanently.
Improvements, specifically to online...well, I wouldn't mind seeing different "tiers" of PVP covenants, with rewards that scale with punishment. Imagine a very basic Darkwraith-esque covenant that features zero risk if you lose an invasion, with a relatively small reward (like souls) if you win. Alternately, imagine a covenant that offers great rewards if you win (like top-tier enhancement materials or gear), but if you lose the battle you lose whatever souls/humanity you're packing permanently.
I'm pretty sure you can be invaded at a bonfire. It literally forces you to stand up and away from the bonfire as you're being invaded.
MMaRsu
Banned
Already fixed in dsii
Infinite_Daremo
Member
Im all for it. Just remove the ability for invaders to use healing items. Sucks when you beat them and they just run away and spam humanity!
That sounds great! It would be a beefed up risk/reward system, very good idea!
This is a bit better idea but I'm not a fan of invasion at all (not a big PVP player) I feel like if I'm human, I'm asking for it, being hollow offers some advantage.
Still, if they come to gank, I go to yank.
BibiMaghoo
Member
The most abusive message I have ever received in my gaming life came from invading someone who was trying to kill a dragon.
So no, I do not think this is a good idea.
So no, I do not think this is a good idea.
I could get behind this idea if it was only for players in new game plus and beyond (much like how gravelord invasions work), and only if you also have a summon. I love playing Dark Souls co-op with buds but it's easy to wipe out everything on the first try after beating the game once. Invading in boss battles shouldn't happen in solo play, hollow or not.
The bosses also have to be extremely well-balanced and constantly tweaked if bosses could summon, making sure there aren't any crazy exploits.
That actually sounds pretty awesome.
The bosses also have to be extremely well-balanced and constantly tweaked if bosses could summon, making sure there aren't any crazy exploits.
That actually sounds pretty awesome.
Deified Data
Banned
Yep. Dark Souls' P2P system is garbage.
Another thought on the subject...as others have said, I think the idea proposed in the OP could work, but only for a specific boss designed around the concept, like the Old Monk. I imagine a sort of minion master-type boss that summons a team of invaders. If you're offline it would summon a NPC party like lautrec's group when you invade his world.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
This made me laugh pretty hard. That must have been a doozy of a message!
This, it's rage inducingly frustrating as it is. It could work if the boss can fuck the phantoms shit up too, but honestly I can't see the point in this at all.
Imagine taking on Smough & Ornstein, getting them to 10% then a phantom enters and ganks you from behind... Dark Souls is popular for being difficult but within reason and fairness. It's never been unreasonably difficult, there is always a logical solution to every encounter.
Deified Data
Banned
You'd be stuck with a skeleton's rather limited moveset, though...
Risk Breaker
Member
LOL, invasion during boss fights with permadeath and/or loss of all items.
Yeah, no.
I'm all for it being harder than Dark Souls, but I don't want it to be MMOish. I lost enough items to assholes in the worst situations possible in Lineage II thank you very much.
Assholish NPCs/situations/boss fights sure, human assholism (?) no please.
Yeah, no.
I'm all for it being harder than Dark Souls, but I don't want it to be MMOish. I lost enough items to assholes in the worst situations possible in Lineage II thank you very much.
Assholish NPCs/situations/boss fights sure, human assholism (?) no please.
This sounds like it would really promote one type of play. When I played Dark Souls, and being wholly unfamiliar with the game format, I'd created a character that was great for taking out bosses but complete ass against invasions.
I'd rather not have to reroll and follow a specific build to just play the game proper.
Permadeath is the silliest suggestion I've seen. Why not go the full mile and say if you die the game wipes your hard drive? I'd rather the difficulty arise from monster/level/boss design.
I'd rather not have to reroll and follow a specific build to just play the game proper.
Permadeath is the silliest suggestion I've seen. Why not go the full mile and say if you die the game wipes your hard drive? I'd rather the difficulty arise from monster/level/boss design.
QuickSilverD
Member
Like many of you have said, invading in Boss Battle should only work if the one being invaded already has a phantom with them, otherwise it wouldn't really be a challenge, but a massacre. Another thing they could do is only allow invasion after a Boss fight has started or after the boss is at 50% health or something (This way we prevent camping in the Boss Room and then attacking from behind the door by surprise or something)
By the way, what does everyone think of my other idea, of a Battle Arena?
This was definitely a problem and I hope that they find a way to fix it, probably will have to change the way upgrading equipment works so low lever players cannot become so powerful
I once invaded someone in the Bridge where the Red Dragon is, my phantom was summoned right in the middle of the flames from the Dragon and I was insta-killed
yeah, maybe this could only work well with some Bosses and not others.
By the way, what does everyone think of my other idea, of a Battle Arena?
Deified Data
Banned
I think permadeath would go against the spirit of the Souls franchise even more than an easy mode. Experimentation and determination would be out the window.
Just_myles
Member
Well yeah I always hated it in both games where you invade and they somehow make it to the boss. I say eliminate that. Go in.
Your pvp ideas however sound a lot like smash bros tbh and I wouldn't welcome that kind of addition.
QuickSilverD said:
Your pvp ideas however sound a lot like smash bros tbh and I wouldn't welcome that kind of addition.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
I like what DS2 talk has went back to, focusing on what comes from the freedom that not avoiding offending delicate sensibilities brings. *tear
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Nice avatar, too.
Hell yeah!
Only if bosses can be Gravelorded too.
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Nice avatar, too.
Hell yeah!
QuickSilverD
Member
Since no one has mentioned it so far, how about a Boss Rush Mode , not one you select from the Main Menu, but how about it we have a locked room near the starting Bonfire that to open requires an item dropped by the last Boss, once you enter you cannot leave until you clear every Boss or you die. If we combine this with the Battle Arena idea they could make so that the Battle Arena can only be reached after completing a Boss Run (and then opening a shortcut to it)
That sounds pretty awesome actually. You'd have to gimp the invader though. Maybe he just has the life and abilities of the skeleton.
This man knows what he's talking about. Listen to him, not the OP.
QuickSilverD
Member
Can't say I have played much Smash Bros, but do you find the ideas themselves bad or are you put off by the fact that another game has something similar?
What was wrong with the farming? I like the idea that there were farming areas in the game.
InfiniDragon
Member
So two things.
One, based on the gameplay video there may not be Hollow form in DSII, so people wanting invasion/summons at all times may be getting their wish.
Two, they already said DSII is server based like Demon's, so no more P2P.
One, based on the gameplay video there may not be Hollow form in DSII, so people wanting invasion/summons at all times may be getting their wish.
Two, they already said DSII is server based like Demon's, so no more P2P.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Ah yes, I remember going into that boss area for the first time. Needless to say it involved a scraping spear and I wasn't the one using it.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
The game should also shove a baseball bat up your ass everytime you die, and your console should spontaneously combust after dying a set number of times.
You know, so the game becomes more hardcore and stuff, and I can brag about it on GAF and belittle others.
You know, so the game becomes more hardcore and stuff, and I can brag about it on GAF and belittle others.
That's dangerous, what if the game caused a rectal prolapse?
Riposte
Member
As nice as that sounds, it is pretty much also fanfiction given they've show no indication that they see farming and grinding as a bad thing. Dark Souls isn't ever going to be that game I'm afraid.
I can't help but laugh when someones shows signs of letting their inferiority get to them. People clearly wouldn't just want a hard game, no, that doesn't make sense, hard is bad, they are trying to bully me!
dude fuck that I think I'd cry if I fought some boss alongside some of the phantoms I was encountering
i had the most intense phantom encounter once. i think it was my first in Dark Souls. I was in that area with a wide area of forest you can climb up a ladder to go to by the waterfall. And as I got up to the area, I got the phantom is invading message. Dude was clearly stronger than me, so I started out running. But then I found out the hard way you couldn't leave a certain net around the area. And I was in an unfamiliar area, because at the time I hadn't been there yet and all the enemies were much higher level than me. So on top of being chased by the phantom, I was dodging high level enemy swipes too. So we ended out just slugging it out slowly, hit by hit, over the course of a half hour. I barely beat him with like the slightest sliver of health only to almost immediately be killed by some creature in the forest the second after I did lol
i had the most intense phantom encounter once. i think it was my first in Dark Souls. I was in that area with a wide area of forest you can climb up a ladder to go to by the waterfall. And as I got up to the area, I got the phantom is invading message. Dude was clearly stronger than me, so I started out running. But then I found out the hard way you couldn't leave a certain net around the area. And I was in an unfamiliar area, because at the time I hadn't been there yet and all the enemies were much higher level than me. So on top of being chased by the phantom, I was dodging high level enemy swipes too. So we ended out just slugging it out slowly, hit by hit, over the course of a half hour. I barely beat him with like the slightest sliver of health only to almost immediately be killed by some creature in the forest the second after I did lol
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
That just means you've become part of the DS H4RDCOR3Z.
Schweinehund
Member
I'll allow it if the boss attacks that person and if that person dies he loses like 5 soul levels.
Moral Panic
Member
Boss rush mode is a major addition I'd like to see.
I'd also like to see more benefits for playing online/as human, rather than just summoning guys to rush the boss with. Covenant system needs to expanded, invading people as a Blade of the Darkmoon to punish them for invading people as a DarkWraith was awesome and there was a real rivalry system there. But most of the covenants didn't do much and the nature of the game made it harder to get involved with your faction.
I'd also like to see more benefits for playing online/as human, rather than just summoning guys to rush the boss with. Covenant system needs to expanded, invading people as a Blade of the Darkmoon to punish them for invading people as a DarkWraith was awesome and there was a real rivalry system there. But most of the covenants didn't do much and the nature of the game made it harder to get involved with your faction.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
It means that the game is technically never hard because you can potentially overcome any situation by grinding for souls.
This isn't really what he meant, but personally I want rare drops to go away. They add nothing to the game. If I want a bonewheel shield or dragon torso stone, I should be able to get one if I know where to look and have the ability to get there instead of having to kill hundreds of wheel skeletons or drakes and pray for a .001% drop chance. That's my least favorite thing about these games.