Noisepurge
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Goddamnit, has to be Hayter 
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David Hayter not reprising his role as Snake in Metal Gear Solid 5? Statement
- Thread starter Mr. RHC
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
He was great and iconic in the original, pretty good in 2, serviceable in 3, and an outright blemish on the games in the others. I have huge respect for the dude as a person but his acting wont be missed. It wouldnt have made sense for Old BB to have his voice anyway when we had Richard Doyle in 4 and Solidus (who was a perfect genetic clone) played by Cygan in 2.
keltickennedy
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
That doesn't seem like a Kojima level secret.
Remember for this Phantom Pain stuff people figured out the MGS5 connection day 1. and Kojima was directly commenting about it numerous times prior to today hinting at the connection.
If this was a secret I don't think only Hayter himself would be in on dropping the hints lol
Again.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY???
People are just coming up with scenarios that allow Hayter to still be in the game with no logical basis.
Why would they do something like this? To put it in perspective Ohtsuka is still reprising his role as Japanese snake. No bullshit involved on that end at all. It doesn't make sense that they'd be saving Hayter for "the real Snake" while Ohtsuka is playing the fake one parallel to Sutherland.
Why would they go through all this effort for an ass pull that is nothing more than "GOTCHA HERES HAYTER APRIL FOOLS".
It was inevitable.
Yeah like I said earlier I'm sure script quality and voice direction are also a factor.
but it's also pretty hard to portray any level of convincing drama with such a comically overdone voice as Hayter's Solid Snake.
I have no idea how they got him in the first place.
but I mean if it works out it's weird to imagine hypothetical scenarios preventing him from returning in future games.
I don't think your examples really disprove my point...
but what you're saying is fair enough. I'm probably being more harsh than I need to be trying to play devil's advocate in this thread.
Welp. not anymore I guess. lol
So hopefully he'll be able to pursue those other potential roles now that he's not so tied up
DarknessTear
Banned
I'm not a fan of Hayter's acting. He has the voice, sure. I've cringed at some of his acting though. If Sutherland can do it right, then I'll be pleased. Though, if he yells "get down!" in his usual Jack Bauer fashion, I'm gonna be so mad.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
This will be funny if they are playing with us and theirs a reason why he aint featured in the trailer
It is very minor ... And its missed placed sympathy for a guy who was lucky enough to have such a recurring job. Reading scripted dialog and very little "acting".
That's my opinion.
Vampirolol
Member
Bandages, phantoms, Kojima... What if the Snake voiced by Sutherland is a fake?
blainethemono
Member
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Wait a sec, Kiefer Sutherland is doing the voice for Snake? I'm lost.
Snake isn't Big Boss. In the beginning it made sense, but it always rubbed me wrong how how they kept the bandanna and kept calling Boss 'Snake' throughout the PSP games. It's about time they made him distinct.
ZanzibarBreeze
Member
If it really is Sutherland playing Snake, I'd rather have Sutherland. More range.
Yeah exactly.
See, I've never had a problem with it being "comically" overdone because from day one he was very obviously channeling Kurt Russel's similarly overdone, growling badass tone from the Escape from New York/LA movies; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed6Yr81jZ6g
I'm just saying that getting somebody like Sutherland is cool, but film stars have all sorts of scheduling issues and if he has to choose between VA for a video game or a movie/TV show (and he made $40 million for just three seasons of 24 and was the highest paid actor in TV at that point), he's gonna go with the bigger paycheck.
brianmcdoogle
Member
It is so rare for a "Hollywood" actor to give a good voice performance in a video game. If they want to change voices, fine. But, don't just get a name for the sake of having a name. Get a voice actor.
If it was minor (leave alone very minor) this thread wouldn't even exist...
He has been the voice of the character for 15 years and for this he is somewhat tied with the character. It's like when here where i live recently have decided to change for the first time since it started the voice actors of Bart and Marge (and some other) from The Simpsons. After you give the voice to a character for such a long time even the most similar voice will result to your ear someone totally different.
Again if can enjoy with other voices i can't say nothing more that good for you but don't act like if it's good for you then should be for everyone else.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah but I think Metal Gear has evolved beyond being a parody of Escape from New York after 5 games.
Well to my understanding now we don't even know if Sutherland is confirmed as Snake. So this could be a non-issue.
We just know it isn't Hayter
Ugh most generic voice actors are horrible .
Even the avatar guy was better than most in black ops 2.
Original Man
Member
disgust @ at all the hayter hate. he was great in all the titles he's been a part of. also don't agree that he's not in the game at all.
FormerShirts
Member
Voices come and go. We will endure.
WrenchNinja
Member
He's French Canadian. There's a difference lol
Also, man you guys are really harsh about Hayter's performance. I'll miss him. I hope they'll reconsider.
Edgy people gonna edgy. Contrarian-on-the-internet is the new hip.
Yea I'm with you. Hayter has always been good.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
Shame for David Hayter to be unceremoniously cut out. I'm kind of sad to say that I'm not sad to see him go, but I feel like the writing was on the wall ever since MGS3 and Twin Snakes.
MGS3 for the most part he was great. It was the strained readings of "Boss!!" that completely didn't gel with what was going on in the cutscene that bugged me. Compare the cutscene 5 minutes into the beginning of Operation Snake Eater, in the original Japanese Snake is yelling for his freakin' mentor, whereas it sounds like English-voiced Snake is just trying to get her attention while he strains to think up arguments for how CalorieMate really is great food and tuxedos are perfectly valid clothing for a stealth agent. It happens again right before the final boss fight! Sure the Japanese side can sound hammy, but better hammy and full of heart than a complete tonal disconnect that breaks the experience.
Twin Snakes it felt like an exercise in excess for both his acting where he actively tried to put on a Snake voice, and the fact that they were retreading the same lines with rewrites here and there for no good reason. I do mean "put on" that voice; no matter what your thoughts comparing original MGS1 and Twin Snakes, there's a clear difference in delivery.
MGS4, it's been a while since I played that in English but from what I remember, he gave it a good shot at busting up the voice. Whether it sounded realistic, well I'll leave that up to you because I certainly haven't met anybody who prematurely aged into a badass grandpa. Peace Walker, all right for the actions and battle cries, but again he couldn't hit that range in MGS3 where he had to seriously emote with the voice and instead it came out off. (Specifically the scene in the end where
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I know these anecdotes come across as petty because they're either little parts of the whole game or a style choice. After phenomenal work in MGS1 and 2, it bummed me out to watch the voice slowly diminish in that way. We'll always have the games that David Hayter recorded in. It's not like Konami is going to rerecord the lines in those old games and pretend he never existed.
MGS3 for the most part he was great. It was the strained readings of "Boss!!" that completely didn't gel with what was going on in the cutscene that bugged me. Compare the cutscene 5 minutes into the beginning of Operation Snake Eater, in the original Japanese Snake is yelling for his freakin' mentor, whereas it sounds like English-voiced Snake is just trying to get her attention while he strains to think up arguments for how CalorieMate really is great food and tuxedos are perfectly valid clothing for a stealth agent. It happens again right before the final boss fight! Sure the Japanese side can sound hammy, but better hammy and full of heart than a complete tonal disconnect that breaks the experience.
Twin Snakes it felt like an exercise in excess for both his acting where he actively tried to put on a Snake voice, and the fact that they were retreading the same lines with rewrites here and there for no good reason. I do mean "put on" that voice; no matter what your thoughts comparing original MGS1 and Twin Snakes, there's a clear difference in delivery.
MGS4, it's been a while since I played that in English but from what I remember, he gave it a good shot at busting up the voice. Whether it sounded realistic, well I'll leave that up to you because I certainly haven't met anybody who prematurely aged into a badass grandpa. Peace Walker, all right for the actions and battle cries, but again he couldn't hit that range in MGS3 where he had to seriously emote with the voice and instead it came out off. (Specifically the scene in the end where
Peace Walker can't shut off its fake nuke signals and Snake's banging at the AI drum desperately to stop it, going "Boss!!" but it coming out as "Boss..."
I know these anecdotes come across as petty because they're either little parts of the whole game or a style choice. After phenomenal work in MGS1 and 2, it bummed me out to watch the voice slowly diminish in that way. We'll always have the games that David Hayter recorded in. It's not like Konami is going to rerecord the lines in those old games and pretend he never existed.
creationtheory
Member
His Snake voice was getting dangerously close to Christian Bale Batman territory so I'm OK with this.
Angry Fork
Member
Voices come and go. We will endure.
The point is though that Elmo is meant to sound the same, voice actors attempt to emulate the original.
With Snake if that were to happen I don't think there would be that big of a freak out, disappointing, but not awful. It becomes awful when you have someone doing something that sounds nothing like Snake at all.
legacyzero
Banned
Voice actors change. Silent Hill went through this shit, but there were reasons for it.
But to Snake? To Metal Gear?
Kojima is up to something. He usually doesn't do something without reason.
And if he is, SHAME. Hayter IS Snake. Love him or hate him (although I just dont see why anybody would not like Hayter as Snake. It's beyond me.)
But to Snake? To Metal Gear?
Kojima is up to something. He usually doesn't do something without reason.
And if he is, SHAME. Hayter IS Snake. Love him or hate him (although I just dont see why anybody would not like Hayter as Snake. It's beyond me.)
Pachterballs
Banned
Razgriz-Specter
Member
If he isn't in it i'm not buying.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Never liked Hayters VA work. One of the main reasons why I didnt bother with picking up the US versions just to collect also.
This. Really disliked his portrayal the more the series went on.
Discotheque
Banned
Well he did peak with 2 as did the series. But different actor for big boss is good
I just don't want it to be so recognizable like kiefer Sutherland.
I just don't want it to be so recognizable like kiefer Sutherland.
Chip N Chance
Member
Well he wasn't Big Boss in 4 so it makes sense. Boss is getting old. Personally all the voice acting ove heard so far for MGSV has been top notch and less cartoony compared to past games. They were always so theater like. Especially Liquid.
TryHardShounen
Banned
He probably got too expensive for them to reprise him.
Keifer Sutherland is more expensive than David Hayter
I can't imagine Keither Sutherland being cheaper. Plus Hayter is a fan of the series, I'm sure he's very amenable
Ingueferroque
Banned
There has to be a surprise twist involved with this.
What are you talking about? Peace Walker takes place in 1974, and Ground Zeroes takes place immediately after.
Walkmen were invented in 1979, as were the helicopters used in the Ground Zeroes trailer.
The Omega Man
Member
We'll have to wait for a Japanese trailer to see who is voicing Big Boss, if Okio Otsuka is till voicing him then we can rule out the theory of "it's not Big Boss that's why Hayter is not voicing him"
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Snake had a Walkman in Peace Walker though so I don't think they give a shit.
Walkmen were in peacewalker
I was kinda trying to forgive him but peace walker really draw the line.
That game's voice was just...holy shit bad.
Well to me he is just a voice actor? (shrug) I thought voice actor X character obsession was only in Japan. They are the one who usually do 'This voice actor better do this character or I will commit seppuku! type of craziness.
I'm surprised to see this type of devotion here.
I'm a fan of metal gear and solid snake not david hayter.