So how come I had more fun and sense of accomplishment working on Drakensang (full fledged PC RPG) than on any iOS/facebook game I have worked on? Am I not creative enough?
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David Jaffe leaving Eat Sleep Play for new studio (Browser games?); ESP->iOS/Android
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So how come I had more fun and sense of accomplishment working on Drakensang (full fledged PC RPG) than on any iOS/facebook game I have worked on? Am I not creative enough?
Pai Pai Master
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Twisted Metal is casual? Have you seen that control scheme?
Riposte
Member
This thread is getting too ugly for me.
Calling either God of War or Twisted Metal casual is very misguided. Like most uses of the word casual. The term is best used on players (the less dedicated ones) and when you saying a game is so simple/bad only casual users could like it (which I personally don't do often, I'd just call them simple and bad). I think God of War on the harder difficulties and Twisted Metal in general/in multiplayer will only alienate casual players - no matter where they fall in quality compared to the best in their genres.
I'm still really bummed about what this means to Twisted Metal, but I'm going to see where this goes.
If Jaffe has in mind the type of thing that Double Fine has been doing the last few years, maybe it's not all bad.
And as a lot of developers age and realize their lives and careers aren't permanent, a lot are coming to the realization that it'd more fulfilling to be able to create say, 15 more projects each taking a year before retirement rather than 3 or 4 each taking 3 to 4 years.
That wasn't necessarily an insult at all. Just that his greatest stuff is a decade old and the things he does outside of development seem more interesting at this point. I still always check in to see what he's up to, but the expectations of greatness are kind of mellowed.
He's more interesting as a person than the works he creates, basically.
Let's not say things we can't take back now.
Because not everyone is the same? And as i said im just talking by personal experience! dont take it personal man!So how come I had more fun and sense of accomplishment working on Drakensang (full fledged PC RPG) than on any iOS/facebook game I have worked on? Am I not creative enough?
Hey i would pay to work on a fighting game ... and those arent short projects at all.
Yup i know some cases.
I haven't played the new one. The old ones were fun games when you had friends over.
God of War bored me to death. I'd rather play a puzzle game on iOS than that series.
The_Darkest_Red
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Fair enough. I feel much the same way myself, I was just arguing against the idea of someone finding no entertainment in any iOS/mobile games.
damn. this is fairly accurate for me, personally, in that the work he's famous for appealed to me when I was 16 and not so much anymore.
Whatever he works on next, I hope it's something he feels inspired by.
so much anger. Some people just have different ideas of what casual is. That should be obvious by now.
Sounds to me like Jaffe is straight up denying that he's going into casual games development. He's paraphrasing a common misquote of Mark Twain: "Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated" (which was turned into a song, I think). The actual Twain quote was a response to reports of his dying at sea, and his actual response was: "The report of my death was an exaggeration." Long and short, Jaffe is having fun at our expense.
I responded before your edit. No worries, guy!
Cerebral Assassin
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Of course it is, it took a existing genre & tried to make it more accessible by changing the focus from mechanics to spectacle.
Wait till Michael Pachter starts running Nintendo.
"More casual than before" doesn't mean "casual." Regardless of your personal pet ideas of what constitutes a "casual" game, sometimes you have to speak to a wider audience and use the popular definition whether you want to or not. God of War, to the vast majority of people, is in no way shape or form considered or labeled as a casual game for casual game players.
Riposte
Member
More like it took the mechanics and spiced it up with spectacle and didn't bother to match the depth and quality of better games.
Calling All Cars was anything but hardcore. If anything hes already been on that casual bandwagon before it was cool.
Barkley's Justice
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The "AAA" market won't disappear but you'll see fewer and fewer of those kinds of games as the competition and budgets get so incredibly fierce. It's unsustainable. A few things need to change in Console World:
- MS & Sony need to ease control of their online networks and allow publishers to control their digital pricing and sales.
- Games need to be sold day-and-date with their retail counterparts on these networks
- The "$60 game" needs to disappear, developers and publishers should be allowed to price their titles at what they expect them to sell at
- MS & Sony need to ease control of their online networks and allow publishers to control their digital pricing and sales.
- Games need to be sold day-and-date with their retail counterparts on these networks
- The "$60 game" needs to disappear, developers and publishers should be allowed to price their titles at what they expect them to sell at
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
SmokyDave said:
I've worked on published, commercial titles on both C64 and iOS. Its a very different situation now compared to then.
While the smartphone market will develop long-term in some ways comparable to the way the 8-bit scene developed (big companies will push out the indies/amateurs through sheer marketing muscle), the nature of the product -insofar as what sells in volume- are pretty much polar opposites.
Helscream
Banned
This. I have been anxiously awaiting for Twisted Metal since its reveal at E3 2010. Hearing this shit really knocked the wind out of me. For the Short-Term concerns I wounder how this will affect support for the Twisted Metal community.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Double Fine achieved what Eat Sleep Play was supposed to become. Rather than committing to those smaller sized game projects, the lure of another TM has seen Jaffe kinda botch that and now he's bailing out?
Not really. I have a lot of respect for him because when I was younger I really liked TM 2 and Black, but god of war is where he really hit the big time for me...but then he left. Even though I think GOW2 was better I wish I could see some alternate universe where he made the whole trilogy, because I think it would have been better.
But to get back on track, even though him going to ios would upset me, I can't say it would be a huge blow to my current gaming. I don't have too much interest in the new TM, so really to me he hasn't done much for me since the first god of war. It's not like this is Obsidian going to ios (which btw if that ever happened you would probably see an epic meltdown from me).
I was just going to ask this too. Anybody know? Because looking at Sony's past deals, usually it's a three-game first look deal.
series of tweets from @davidscottjaffe formatted for your convienence
I have zero plans to make games like FARMVILLE and ANGRY BIRDS. I never said what I was doing post TM (and I'm still on TM along with ESP for the next months as we launch it and balance it in real time and make sure it's a perfect game and continue to support it.
At the same time I will be opening a game studio here in San Diego because I really miss internal game development. Happy to share more details later
but rite now: kids need they damn waffles!
But if I may clear this up: I was not laid off. I co-own the company. There were a few lay offs and they were very painful to do for all
involved. I'm leaving because- again- games are just getting2big to direct from 300 miles away&I miss the day2day of working direct w/team.
Yeah, not sure if this was mentioned, but Eat Sleep Play is in Utah and Jaffe lives in California. I'd bet after this experiment he'd rather live where his studio is instead of teleconferencing and traveling to Utah all the time.
Ninja Scooter
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If true, TM will be the last Jaffe game I ever play. So it ain't so
Way to keep an open mind. And people wonder why developers are straying away from making games for "hardcore" gamers like you in favor of casuals.
A little more reassuring.
Again, no denial it is iOS gaming, just not traditional casual gaming of the likes like Farmville/Angry Birds.
I may have misunderstood, but I don't think that conversation was focused on market or sales.
That's a very good point. Sounds like that might be the genesis of this whole thing.
Risk Breaker
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Son, I am disappoint
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Well the "vast majority" of Gaffers seem to think a "casual game" is a game that isn't aimed at them, which is not a particularly useful definition. I believe a "casual" game is one that can be enjoyed by someone casually picking up the game without needing to know any deeper mechanics that may or may not be in the game.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that Jaffe had no intention of competing with those games on those levels (also the influence of GoW did spread back to those games, Ninja Dog mode(NG), Easy Automatic(Bayonetta) & DMC).
Jaffe has said numerous times that he would love to make DLC if the game is successful. This move was probably planned for a very long time and I doubt it effects any plans concerning their current title.
Kazuma Kiryu
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you didn't know gow and tm were casual games? where have you been? they're like the wii fit or kinect of ps3!
Riposte
Member
It seems he wanted to be more hands on games, but didn't want leave/move his family. I like the guy, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he'll make games which at least interest me. I pre-ordered TW because of his attitude and I wasn't disappointed with the demo in the slightest.