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Democrats Need A Message (Matt Taibbi)

entremet

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The electoral results last November have been repeated enough that most people in politics know them by heart. Republicans now control 68 state legislative chambers, while Democrats only control 31. Republicans flipped three more governors' seats last year and now control an incredible 33 of those offices. Since 2008, when Barack Obama first took office, Republicans have gained somewhere around 900 to 1,000 seats overall.

There are a lot of reasons for this. But there's no way to spin some of these numbers in a way that doesn't speak to the awesome unpopularity of the blue party. A recent series of Gallup polls is the most frightening example.

Unsurprisingly, the disintegrating Trump bears a historically low approval rating. But polls also show that the Democratic Party has lost five percentage points in its own approval rating dating back to November, when it was at 45 percent.

The Democrats are now hovering around 40 percent, just a hair over the Trump-tarnished Republicans, at 39 percent. Similar surveys have shown that despite the near daily barrage of news stories pegging the president as a bumbling incompetent in the employ of a hostile foreign power, Trump, incredibly, would still beat Hillary Clinton in a rematch today, and perhaps even by a larger margin than before.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-democrats-need-a-new-message-w484569

I know it's fun deriding the Trump admin daily but the fact that the Denocratic Party is not capitalizing on this says a lot of their political savvy of lack thereof.

They're not appealing to wide swath of Americans.
 

Blablurn

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They need a savior. Someone who is going into the limelight. Someone young, someone tall, someone ready to fight.
 
They need to get the message out that they're gonna fix the complete and utter mess this current administration has caused, kind of like a statement, of intent, or slogan that they want to Make America Great Again.
 
I know it's fun deriding the Trump admin daily but the fact that the Denocratic Party is not capitalizing on this says a lot of their political savvy of lack thereof.
NOT capitalizing on it? How are they not? Who do you think is driving the media circus right now? What do you think the leadership is saying? Have you been paying attention to the special elections? What are they not doing that you think they should do?
 

kess

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"Fuck oligarchy"

The fact that Clinton couldn't articulate this is why she lost. She let Trump maneuver himself into a man of the people.
 
Right now they're torn between trying to win back the Pennsylvania Trump voters or run up the boards with black/Hispanic voters. I think That's part of the reason they lack a sharp message.
 

mclem

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They need a savior. Someone who is going into the limelight. Someone young, someone tall, someone ready to fight.

But where have all the good Dems gone and where's the brainy bods? Where's the modern JFK to fight these rising odds?
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Actually Be Progressive is a good slogan too. Sounds like a cheer and its simple and short.

Only appeals to people who already agree with you. Most Americans are apolitical in the sense that they have no coherent ideology and don't identify very strongly with ideological labels like progressive. Would be a surefire loser.

The best slogan would be Make America Great Again, but someone took that.
 

mclem

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Only appeals to people who already agree with you. Most Americans are apolitical in the sense that they have no coherent ideology and don't identify very strongly with ideological labels like progressive. Would be a surefire loser.

The best slogan would be Make America Great Again, but someone took that.

"Forwards, not back"
 
Only appeals to people who already agree with you. Most Americans are apolitical in the sense that they have no coherent ideology and don't identify very strongly with ideological labels like progressive. Would be a surefire loser.

The best slogan would be Make America Great Again, but someone took that.

"Make Progress" then?
 

entremet

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Lol. The article is not about slogans but a unifying and consistent message about the party itself.

"Not Republican" is failing.
 
Lol. The article is not about slogans but a unifying and consistent message about the party itself.

"Not Republican" is failing.

That's true. I can see a moderate Republican easily winning if he's charismatic and saying how we all make mistakes and get "caught up in the moment" while arguing they will bring back American values back to the country.
 

Elandyll

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One of the result of people (including the Media) refusing to call the Gop for its bullshit because "both sides", "Washington" and "but the Democrats too".

Republicans have also been great at projecting or even right now blaming Dems for things not getting done in spite of power being overwhelmingly in Gop hands.

In an interview with Jack Taper yesterday, a Gop Senator was basically saying Dems were slowing everything down implying they were forcing them to consider a 51 votes solution, and Tapper let it pass without pointing out the difference in control.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Lol. The article is not about slogans but a unifying and consistent message about the party itself.

"Not Republican" is failing.

Ah, but slogans are part of the message. A good slogan can help.

Anyway, "Not Republican" is really the only thing they got because they're a massive big tent party. We got blue dogs to socialists in the party. How do we centralize a consistent message when we're so varied in how we should move forward. It is a challenge.

It's worth reminding that the Republicans have the same message except it's "Not Democrats".

Also, on the topic of slogans, I say we go American Revolution next time. "For the People, By the People" with a left populist movement ala Bernie.
 

entremet

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NOT capitalizing on it? How are they not? Who do you think is driving the media circus right now? What do you think the leadership is saying? Have you been paying attention to the special elections? What are they not doing that you think they should do?

The Georgia race is promising, but I'm not sure how the media exposure of Trump's nonsense will have on things like State Houses and such.
 

120v

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the pendulum always swings the other way... remember in 2002 when democrats were 'extinct'... remember in '06 and '08 when the GOP was going the way of the whigs, ect

not downplaying the catastrophe 2016 was and the deep shit we're in but finding a message/leader usually works itself out
 

BanGy.nz

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Rob Quist ran on a very clear message of healthcare and land rights, so this race probably isn't the smartest place to start a 'democrats have a messageing problem' story.
 

Striek

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Republicans have a base thats pre-energised. If you are pro life, or gun rights, or limited government, you have one choice, and it doesn't matter how bad the candidate is. Republicans sell this message of limited government to the very few moderates and disillusioned democrats, people for who the system isn't working (alot due to R obstruction), and say the seemingly reasonable and simple "your life would be better if we weren't messing it up".

Democrats need to go left like the Republicans have gone right. They need to energise the voters they should already have and provide an appealing, populist policy for the small pile of fencesitters. Hillary was a shit choice. Whether or not it was based in reality, she was the epitome of business as usual for a lot of people. A broken system. Big business, big government, politics before policy or people.
 
Disagree with the premise. Dems need to not have a single message. They need to have regional messages. The biggest misconception is that Dems are only D.C./ West coast people and Republicans are the local party. We had Quist put up a campaign emphasizing land rights, Ossoff campaigning against government waste etc etc. Local candidates who can deal with local issues. Mid terms especially are where you need less of a central theme and more regional.
 

G.ZZZ

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"Take back our wealth from the rich"

But dems would never campaign on that. They'll campaign on decency and civil rights and then wonder how they lose while republicans move the US more and more toward an apartheid state.
 
Rob Quist ran on a very clear message of healthcare and land rights, so this race probably isn't the smartest place to start a 'democrats have a messageing problem' story.

Until people found out he lied on his taxes.

But it's also worth noting a single message is easier to develop in 1 state than in all 50.
 

Aaron

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Democrats need to hammer the fact that Republicans are handing over the country to big business. That the rich are taking, not earning. That by being born into inheritance and building a wall around it, they are making it impossible for average Americans to climb that ladder. That cutting taxes is just cutting the social services that the general population has rightfully earned. What we deserve as Americans is for everyone to have opertunity, and no one dying in poverty because they can't afford their medical bills. They shouldn't debate or discuss, but hammer at the truth until it finally sees daylight. Basically Bernie Sanders on a much wider scale.
 
Actually "Be Progressive" is a good slogan too. Sounds like a cheer and its simple and short.

I think this is the reason for the lack of coherence. They don't know if they should be actually progressive. Or at the least, how progressive should they present themselves as?

Caught between wanting to bring back the crossover Obama to Trump voters, or if they should try and speak to a very progressive base.

A very progressive base, would have its own problems. Lets not forget, Hillary did defeat Sanders. There's a reason for this.

But, whatever the solution, I do think a charismatic figurehead is needed. America has options. Elizabeth Warren. Even Bernie Sanders has a strong personality.
 

Crocodile

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Disagree with the premise. Dems need to not have a single message. They need to have regional messages. The biggest misconception is that Dems are only D.C./ West coast people and Republicans are the local party. We had Quist put up a campaign emphasizing land rights, Ossoff campaigning against government waste etc etc. Local candidates who can deal with local issues. Mid terms especially are where you need less of a central theme and more regional.

Agree with this. All the special elections have been about local issues. I feel like a lot of these people writing these "hot takes" aren't actually paying attention to the local campaigns and what the candidates are saying.

It would also help if maybe there were some suggestions as to what the national message should be if you don't like it?
 

G.ZZZ

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Disagree with the premise. Dems need to not have a single message. They need to have regional messages. The biggest misconception is that Dems are only D.C./ West coast people and Republicans are the local party. We had Quist put up a campaign emphasizing land rights, Ossoff campaigning against government waste etc etc. Local candidates who can deal with local issues. Mid terms especially are where you need less of a central theme and more regional.

This is obviously true, but a lack of a central identity hurt a lot perception.

Republicans are a terrorist organization, but they have a (fake) message that they sell clearly. Dems campaigning locally mean that you inevitably reach less people that you would in general imho because a lot of people vote the national party and not the local representative.
 

G.ZZZ

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"Take the american dream back" could work too. With a campaign on how social mobility died and the rich have been stealing wealth from middle and lower class americans since the '70s. Tell them how evil they really are, filth that rather get a 0.1% than save a human life.
 

Drencrom

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I thought Clinton had a great message but we saw where that went so idk.

Just her campaign's slogan "I'm with her" was awful. A campaign slogan to the masses should be about progress and what a candidate can do for society, not "You should vote me into office because I deserve it".

Her whole fucking campaign was self-righteous and up it's own ass really, she acted like she had already won throughout her campaign and she completely botched it in the end.

"Equality for All."

Not good, people will think it sounds like some communist mantra.
 
Right now they're torn between trying to win back the Pennsylvania Trump voters or run up the boards with black/Hispanic voters. I think That's part of the reason they lack a sharp message.
They cant win the presidency with the second option though. The strategy of winning requires a certain margin of Whites in each state to vote Democrat, and qinning the whute vote outright in key states as well.
 
Just her campaign's slogan "I'm with her" was awful. A campaign slogan to the masses should about progress and what a candidate can do for society, not "You should vote me into office because I deserve it".
I feel really frustrated how much this election came down to optics and marketing over policy. Some of that is her fault, but her proposals were genuinely solid.
 

G.ZZZ

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I feel really frustrated how much this election came down to optics and marketing over policy. Some of that is her fault, but her proposals were genuinely solid.

People are dumb, newsflash at 11.

Welcome to europe where people have been voting far-left progressist parties and we get large-coalition center governments which basically do little to nothing because people don't vote on their self-interest but on optics.
 

Drencrom

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I feel really frustrated how much this election came down to optics and marketing over policy. Some of that is her fault, but her proposals were genuinely solid.

You would think American politicians and political experts would already know that PR, image etc is more important to gain momentum and spotlight than policy talk when it comes uneducated Americans.
 
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