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[HAL-01]

This game already has RT in PC.

This version is just a new patch specifically for RTX cards... so it can take better use of the RT features in theory.

But it is really just that... nothing more.
It is not a new game or either a new RT push... it is just a better RT push specifically for some cards.

The base, assets and everything else is still the game with the game already launched on PC. It is not a game make from the ground for RT.

For once I agree with VFX, please watch the video

The difference between the old and new version is huge, and most of these features are also coming to the console version of the game

 

[ethomaz]

You seriously did not watch the video .. like AT ALL.

You have no clue dude.

Yeap lol

It is a free upgrade for the game owners.

 

[Haggard]

Once you go real accurate bounced lighting, everything else is fake garbage.

I hate that you are right on this because it will be at least until the next console gen until RT really becomes THE standard
After playing with a decent RT implementation anything else with the usual trickery just looks..."wrong"

 

[Lethal01]

I'm not going to get into with you dude. It's objectively true that a all RT lighting pipeline will make the game look better than it's rasterizing equivalent with everything else being the exact same.

It's not objectively true for all games. Especially ones with a hint of stylization. Even for movies, I've gotten better-looking scenes by using a rasterized pipeline at specific times.

But hey I'll put it aside, this is a time for celebration and this specific game along with MANY others definitely looks better with raytracing.

 

[ethomaz]

For once I agree with VFX, please watch the video

The difference between the old and new version is huge, and most of these features are also coming to the console version of the game

I did not say anything about not being better... in fact I said it is a better implementation of RT specific for RTX cards.

 

[Mister Wolf]

4A games the only ones that saw the big picture.

 

[Lethal01]

Spend that graphics budget on something else, like geometry, textures and what not.

Because frankly i can barely tell them apart.

Put your eyes in the trash.

 

[Mister Wolf]

THIS is IT!!!

No other game compares. Now we are in the offline rendering realm.

I hope most of you guys pay REALLY close attention to how the difference in lighting is. That is what I'm used to seeing. Once you go real accurate bounced lighting, everything else is fake garbage.

4A has just jumped to the most technical graphics gurus in the videogame world. They are true wizards!

True story sir.

 

[Shai-Tan]

It *IS* better looking. You can take ANY game right now and then do the entire RT lighting pipeline and it will look significantly better than it's rasterizing trick 2D screenspace crap.

I think this is true overall, however because RT requires optimizations that then require significant noise reduction there are tradeoffs that will reduce clarity; it's definitely worth it here in my opinion but not a free lunch

 

[reksveks]

I don't get the people whom can't tell the difference, you might not think the performance sacrifice is worth the visual quality difference but you surely have to admit that it's there.

 

[cromofo]

That's a huge leap, damn.

 

[Black_Stride]

I’m confused here. Wasn’t Spiderman a AAA game with ray tracing? Prior to the release of Metro with Ray Tracing added?

Ah! Sry my bad they are purely talking about PC here.

Metro Enhanced has pure RT, no raster or baking so its RT only.
Everything prior is basically a Rasterized game with RT pasted on.
As for QRT and MinecraftRT they arent AAA titles.

And for those that think Metro isnt AAA "sure".

 

[Ulysses 31]

RT seems like an improvement most of the time but they're still using tricks with the contact shadows. When a light source is moving like in the flash light example at around 8:10, the chair shadows should be moving too, not just get darker or blend into the environment shadow.

 

[DemonCleaner]

great stuff!

but woah energy conservation seems much to high for the diffuse lighting. i hope they turn that down a little till release.

 

[Jigsaah]

Doesn't BFV only have ray-traced reflections? A WW2 game with ray-traced reflections doesn't really benefit from it much visually, especially when you take the performance hit into consideration.

But any game that strives to be realistic graphically, will look unmistakeably better fully raytraced.

Yea I thought about that after the initial post. You are fast my man. I edited it shortly after.

 

[VFXVeteran]

RT seems like an improvement most of the time but they're still using tricks with the contact shadows. When a light source is moving like in the flash light example at around 8:10, the chair shadows should be moving too, not just get darker or blend into the environment shadow.

That is not how RT GI works. You are thinking the chair should cast a "chair" shape on the ground. But the chair isn't being directly lit by the flashlight. The wall behind the chair is being hit by the direct light. The shadow underneath the chair is coming from bounced light off the wall and should be blurred and barely visible. Try this at home. It's how the real world works. And yes, that soft shadow is moving exactly like it should.

 

[Lethal01]

I think this is true overall, however because RT requires optimizations that then require significant noise reduction there are tradeoffs that will reduce clarity; it's definitely worth it here in my opinion but not a free lunch

It's often very true especially in games going for pure photorealism. But other times you switch from using RT to typical game rendering and then you see that the inaccuracies of that lighting give what you were working on far more charm. Then you try to modify your scene to have a bit of that charm and often you just can't reach it. But yes, for tons of games the constant nonstop inaccuracies are an absolute blight that does nothing but hurt the look 90% of the time.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

I hate that you are right on this because it will be at least until the next console gen until RT really becomes THE standard
After playing with a decent RT implementation anything else with the usual trickery just looks..."wrong"

what about when indies start using an hdrp dxr pipeline this gen? could lead to some really, really exciting stuff ito game visuals.

 

[Black_Stride]

I did not say anything about not being better... in fact I said it is a better implementation of RT specific for RTX cards.

They literally tested a 6800XT.
Watch the video before posting.

 

[ethomaz]

Metro Enhanced has pure RT, no raster or baking so its RT only.
Everything prior is basically a Rasterized game with RT pasted on.
As for QRT and MinecraftRT they arent AAA titles.

And for those that think Metro isnt AAA "sure".

It is still a rasterized game with RT.
What are you talking about?

 

[ethomaz]

They literally tested a 6800XT.
Watch the video before posting.

Yeap because it supports RT duhhh

It can’t run in card without RTX.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Wow that's insanely impressive.

I wonder how the consoles will compare - there is still noise in the PC RT and it will surely be way lower resolution in the consoles.

 

[Black_Stride]

Yeap because it supports RT duhhh

It can’t run in card without RTX.

Are mixing up DXR with RTX?

 

[Jigsaah]

I haven't played this on PC yet. I just got a 3080 last week so I am really stoked for this. I been looking for a game to really take advantage of the upgrades.

I think I might use the recommended settings for the 6800xt to see if I can get a bit more FPS out of the game with minimal trade off to the quality.

 

[Elias]

This will be a separate release, you'll still be able to play the original.

That's obvious????? Why do people feel the need to bring this up.

 

[Shai-Tan]

It's often very true especially in games going for pure photorealism. But other times you switch from using RT to typical game rendering and then you see that the inaccuracies of that lighting give what you were working on far more charm. Then you try to modify your scene to have a bit of that charm and often you just can't reach it. But yes, for tons of games the constant nonstop inaccuracies are an absolute blight that does nothing but hurt the look 90% of the time.

When I was playing Exodus I did notice turning RT on and off how some texture detail was disappearing in RT too - that was the point. But yeah, in many scenes it's amazing to me how much of a difference it makes. Looking forward to playing Sam's Story with the new pipeline.

 

[Haggard]

what about when indies start using an hdrp dxr pipeline this gen? could lead to some really, really exciting stuff ito game visuals.

Highly doubt that would be widespread as it would shrink the ever so important target audience considerably.
Judging from the Steam hardware surveys RT hardware is still pretty rare among the mainstream audience.

 

[HAL-01]

Wow that's insanely impressive.

I wonder how the consoles will compare - there is still noise in the PC RT and it will surely be way lower resolution in the consoles.

Given how “infinite bounce” tech usually works we’ll probably see very similar results, but the bounces will have to accumulate over more frames. Environments will look fine but sudden changes in lighting may have a delay to them

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Yep. Officially it would be the first real next-gen game.

Quit talking dumb.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I haven't played this on PC yet. I just got a 3080 last week so I am really stoked for this. I been looking for a game to really take advantage of the upgrades.

Yup. I'll definitely play this all over again. I actually didn't finish it but was fairly close before I quit.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Quit talking dumb.

People around here throw 'next-gen' on everything with no basis in fact. I should be allowed to do the same. Especially since it actually is a feature that can't run on last gen systems.

 

[Jigsaah]

Yup. I'll definitely play this all over again. I actually didn't finish it but was fairly close before I quit.

Yea I was very very early in the game on Xbox. Not that I didn't like it. I'm just more of a multiplayer competitive gamer...so the CODs and Apex's of the world take up most of my gaming time. Next week it'll be time to put all that aside for a few days to really get into this.

 

[Stephen Curry]

Wow. Best lighting I've ever seen.

 

[rsouzadk]

Awesome work by 4A.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

Highly doubt that would be widespread as it would shrink the ever so important target audience considerably.
Judging from the Steam hardware surveys RT hardware is still pretty rare among the mainstream audience.

that's absolutely true. yet, would an indie game that offered this feature garner more attention from a smaller audience versus offering a game to a much larger audience without this feature? kind of the whole 'lost in a crowd' idea. who knows, would still like to see the indie devs use this, i'd support it.

 

[Ulysses 31]

That is not how RT GI works. You are thinking the chair should cast a "chair" shape on the ground. But the chair isn't being directly lit by the flashlight. The wall behind the chair is being hit by the direct light. The shadow underneath the chair is coming from bounced light off the wall and should be blurred and barely visible. Try this at home. It's how the real world works. And yes, that soft shadow is moving exactly like it should.

Rewatching the clip, the light is coming from her headlamp and she barely moves except for the minor rations she's doing with her head so that would explain how the chair shadows seem to stick to one place and only get darker/lighter.

If she had the lamp in her hand and was swinging it around, then it would be expected that the shadows would be moving noticeably more.

 

[Snake29]

I have the game since it's launch on the PC. While the lighting in this game looks great, a lot of the environmental textures look really awful.

 

[Portugeezer]

Yep. Officially it would be the first real next-gen game.

Those textures though.

 

[Dampf]

Hoooly shit.

 

[Dad_Of_Chicken]

While a great technical achievement for sure and a symbolic one at that, I still think this is nothing more than some unneeded lipstick. It's not like the vanilla version of the game was flawed in its graphics department, quite the opposite. This is a 2 year-old game that unfortunately was met with mixed reception regarding its level design. I personally enjoyed it and the last chapter is an absolute work-of-art (if only the whole game was like that... ). Let's see if this will drive sales. Love you 4A games.

 

[Tqaulity]

See PC fans get love too. VFXVeteran does it look better than a PIXAR movie too? (j/k)

I've had the pleasure to see the prerelease version of this PC update a little bit ago and yes it's great work from 4A games. It's also great to see a dev spend the time and resources to go all in on ray-tracing including optimized for PC and consoles.

I haven't seen the consoles versions at all yet and I would be curious to see how it compares. Their vision was that it would be generally equivalent (except for the RT reflections) and if so that's a great win all around! We shall see soon....

 

[fatmarco]

I swear, sometimes I can't tell if some posters are parodying themselves/ getting in on their own meme or actually being genuine.

This is a crazy difference. I thought Metro's initial RT was good but this makes it look horrendous hahahah.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Hoooly shit.

Holy gay sailor guy Batman!

What's the last pic?

The new stuff manages to make the great looking 2019 image flat.

 

[Rippa]

They obviously meant to title it first triple A “third-party” game with ray tracing.

 

[Black_Stride]

They obviously meant to title it first triple A “third-party” game with ray tracing.

What other AAA title has pure RT lighting?
Cuz there arent even many titles with RTGI, let alone a murderers row like this:
Global Illumination from All Lights
Ray Traced Emissive Lights
Unlimited Light Bounces
Ray Traced Reflections

 

[Jaxcellent]

Great game, awesome animations! Nice lightning tech. Diden't finish the vid, i can only listen to Alex for max 6 minutes.

 

[Dampf]

Holy gay sailor guy Batman!

What's the last pic?

The new stuff manages to make the great looking 2019 image flat.

It's also Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition. It was taken from the last part of the DF video!

 

[Ulysses 31]

What other AAA title has pure RT lighting?
Cuz there arent even many titles with RTGI, let alone a murderers row like this:
Global Illumination from All Lights
Ray Traced Emissive Lights
Unlimited Light Bounces
Ray Traced Reflections

Did they mess with the Depth of Field setting? I hope they just forgot to turn it on in this comparison.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Hmm, I am preferring contrast and atmosphere of non ray traced version.

 

[geary]

Yep. Officially it would be the first real next-gen game.

Is Next Gen 2.0