Melchiah
Member
I was just about to post the same. One plus point outweighs two?
I'd definitely choose 1080p and 25fps minimum over anisotropic filtering, if I had to.
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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
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I was just about to post the same. One plus point outweighs two?
I'd definitely choose 1080p and 25fps minimum over anisotropic filtering, if I had to.
Frayne Daddy
Banned
plagiarize
Banned
no. just no. 1080p vs 900p is easy to distinguish on native displays. however, on certain surfaces you can see more detail in the Xbox One version because of the texture filtering. it's still obvious that the PS4 is 1080p and the Xbox One version is not. I don't disagree about 20 and 24 both being 'shit' though. both are below the level I am prepared to tolerate.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The GPU in the XB1 isn't as capable as the one in the PS4. It's also going to be much more fillrate limited due to having less render output pipelines.
Kinda sad that some people are writing the game off because it has an "unacceptable" sub-30s frame rate. "B-b-b-b-b-but this is a thread about specs and technology!!!!" Suck my fucking dick. If the game is fun, play it. Apparently it is a great stealth game with loads of customization options, something we don't usually see in this industry.
Maybe your browser is broken, this is how it looks for me:
Correct context given. Only thing one can complain about is that the first issue is better demonstrated using an animated image.
DirectX-Style wrapper for libgnm
I have read the thread. I asked what the "news" was. Digital Foundry's debatable verdict is not news.
Yup ok thanks for that, so there is a difference in texture filtering. PS4 seems trilinear indeed.
Problem is that people in the thread are posting the texture loading problem screens as a demonstration of the texture filtering difference LOL
But now it's clear.
I'd like developers to comment on the matter.
Anisotropic filter shouldn't impact performance in a meaningful way and if the assets are loaded from the HDD there shouldn't be texture loading issues as well.
Haven't seen the Order 1866 or Infamous Second Sun I guess?
Syphon Filter
Member
lmao word. Would i rather eat from the garbage or a nice homemade meal.
plagiarize
Banned
when I say a framerate is unacceptable, I am talking about myself and myself only. I am merely saying that I cannot enjoy a game that runs so choppily. I wish I could because it means I occasionally miss out on great titles like The Last of Us and GTA5 as the most recent examples.
we don't know how many problems they have yet
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I agree. I'm already seeing those pics being posted on other forums as if they represent how the game looks at all times.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Here's my problem with this line of thinking or alluding. It's extremely ridiculous on BOTH ends. One side shouldn't have to deal with the game being crappy on one system visa versa.
This isn't exclusive to Sony either so stop right there. If a Sony game looks better than an Xbox game (ie. The Battlefield COD controversy) there were people coming out the wood works saying the same thing about DF when some people didn't want to accept the PS4 version being the better of the two, however this discussion and thread isn't about that.
It is plainly about the texture methods being different and WHY this could of happened.
This BS..
"Guys just deal with the results and stop trying to see around the truth that the Xbox Won a game"
... is stupid because there's a technical reason to why it did. So please don't feed into this notion that this thread is about losers not trying to accept their lost when there is nothing to win or lose. It's about the technical differences. The true lost is the game still runs crappy on both regardless of resolution and framerate and textures and the game kind of sucks all the way around as well. So essentially it is $50 too much for what your getting. Just buy the game if you want it and enjoy it. Why be bothered by analysis.
Ok fine. But when the Xbox has a shitty port and it's pointed out, I hope we should all accept it instead of talk about the inefficiency of the methods used to make it a shitty port. Bye, with this garbage.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Whats with the crap performance on both consoles?AF aside, sub 30fps? The game doesnt look anything special. Winning this DF analysis is like coming in second in the dumbest kid in school award.
Zombie James
Banned
DF is losing whatever credibility it had, one article at a time.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I would need to both versions running side by side to see if the texture filter problem really does make the difference, which I can't on my phone
I haven't really seen it in my play through( the texture filtering problem) so I'll have to keep a look out when I play it next, but it does look and sound like their Crysis 2 comparison but with a different end result.
So while I recognize that it's in favor of the Xbox One( in which it's a good win if it does make that difference)but it don't really make sense to me due to how they usually decide which to recommend untill I see the difference that overrides the better framerate and higher res and how they usually decide things like this with my own eyes
Hopefully Gamersyde will upload some footage from both versions.
It only natural to question it given the circumstances, wouldn't you say?
But by DF's usual metric, no it don't make sense.
I can imagine that performance on both consoles is crap as long as you don't parallelize your game well enough to take advantage of the 6-7 cores that are available to it. Maybe that's an issue here.
plagiarize
Banned
The lack of AF on the rollercoaster track of the 'buy snacks and don't smoke' offline rendered video that plays before movies at Regal Cinemas bothers me every time I go. Trust me, I wish I didn't notice this stuff sometimes.
Dictator93
Member
You know, I always noticed this too and found it hilarious.
He isn't. This is "The Order is Sony's Ryse" guy.
The worst one for this is the aliasing in the Lost logo.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
late to the thread but I could swear the final fantasy beta didn't have anisotropic filtering either and I preferred my PC at 1600x900 to the ps4 at 1080. then again, I could also swear the latest ps4 update improved the graphics. framerate is could still be improved though. but I can't imagine any reason why you would use anisotropic on xbone but not on ps4. it costs almost nothing in terms of performance right.
Threads like this make me feel embarrassed to prefer the ps4!... :/
The way some people talk in these threads is borderline insanity to me. La noire was better on ps3. Sometimes the other console gets the nod. It's not as big deal as people make out
I think both consoles are going to be fine and it proves there's more to an image than just resolution. I would give a nod to a the game with better af. Your going to notice a drop in fps no matter what from 30. 24 to 20 isn't that much difference if it's already juddering. I can't believe people are calling df biased again. Grow up
The way some people talk in these threads is borderline insanity to me. La noire was better on ps3. Sometimes the other console gets the nod. It's not as big deal as people make out
I think both consoles are going to be fine and it proves there's more to an image than just resolution. I would give a nod to a the game with better af. Your going to notice a drop in fps no matter what from 30. 24 to 20 isn't that much difference if it's already juddering. I can't believe people are calling df biased again. Grow up
Krusenstern
Banned
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
ITT: People are giving DF shit for a subjective verdict. Both versions look like they're shit, but it's really up to the individual user on which is worse since they're shitty in different ways.
Yea it's just typical DF. Last gen plenty of PS3 had better texture filtering than the 360 version but DF typically just ignored it or gave some passing 1 line comment and that's it. Hilarious all of sudden texture filtering is higher priority than framerate (which they aslo championed last gen) and resolution (guess what...)
LookAtMeGo
Member
Is there more than strider and thief?
Krusenstern
Banned
I only meant those two. Blame my english.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Sounds like they're both terrible.
7DollarHagane
Banned
damn, those shots look like unloaded textures.
I don't know what's going on here but I wouldn't put it past a certain company to pay a certain "trusted source" of comparisons to make them look in their favor.
I don't own the game and probably won't until its like, $20 or less and will probably play on PC, but if PS4 looks like THAT, I don't know what to say, it's not the system, its the port job.
I don't know what's going on here but I wouldn't put it past a certain company to pay a certain "trusted source" of comparisons to make them look in their favor.
I don't own the game and probably won't until its like, $20 or less and will probably play on PC, but if PS4 looks like THAT, I don't know what to say, it's not the system, its the port job.
Frayne Daddy
Banned
LOL
the b-b-but stuff is so annoying lol this kills me lol.
I agree game does look fun and I do miss the stealth games.
Chobel
Member
OK, so PS4 is using two APIs.
One them being buggy could explain why Thief and Strider are using Trilinear filtering instead of AF.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I wouldnt worry about it untill it becomes more of a trend. 2 games so far have been missing it. Other games have had it so its not like the PS4 can't do it.
Edit: so i guess Yakuza Ishin doesn't either.
That's because those images are showing that.
This is conspiracy nut nonsense.
Reallink
Member
Krusenstern
Banned
Heh. What's going on?
I think that really depends on the size of your TV and how close you sit to it. 1080p Vs 900p on a 60" is absolutely noticeable for me. Upscaling sticks out like a sore thumb.
I think the AF issue is being seriously overblown. With how the environments in Thief are built and laid out you don't notice it a whole lot in normal play. AF has the biggest effect in open areas where you have a good amount of distance to view things. The thing is, most of Thief is spent in tight, cramped areas where AF doesn't come into play much. That doesn't excuse AF not being there, it absolutely should and it's stupid that it's not, but in a game like this absence of it has minimal impact.
They also clearly overstated the texture-pop in for some reason. It seems to be a non issue for most people and doesn't happen at all if you have a faster non-stock HDD.
So I think DF's assessment is rather silly. If it were a game with wide open environments it would be blatantly apparent and I'd agree with them hands down, but it's not that. It's a very claustrophobic game and the PS4's higher resolution, slightly better framerate, and use of POM, etc win out imo.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I thought it is true, if you have higher resolution you should see sharper on texture.
e.g. random flat view on texture from OP's link. I'm sure that both are same texture file but the end visual is different due of rendering resolution are not the same.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Yeesh!
TrojanBlade
Member
Really DF?
The Xbone having shittier framerate even at lower res is the bigger issue and they gave it the better version? Nice job 'experts' at DF
This actually shows the devs incompetence rather than PS4
The Xbone having shittier framerate even at lower res is the bigger issue and they gave it the better version? Nice job 'experts' at DF
This actually shows the devs incompetence rather than PS4
Chobel
Member
Shit, even Yakuza ishin is not using AF.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
The glorious redemption of misterxmedia.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
this makes sense to me and is in line with what I notice on PC titles.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
'Some' sounds better than 'two'.
plagiarize
Banned
that you were the first reply to my post in a pretty fast moving thread has made me feel a lot more normal about this stuff. so, thank you!
Please. There's always a certain subjectivity to these calls. It's funny to see people dismissing DF on the basis that they apparently don't give reductionist analysis along the lines of "collect all the advantages this or that platform has over the other, and give the win to whoever has the most," as if that would actually be the slightest bit worthwhile. I mean, in this case one of those advantages is being 5 FPS less bad during slowdowns. It's not surprising DF thought the filtering issues would be more impactful to the experience than either that FPS difference or the resolution difference.
Quadraphonic
Member
It started with the 'improper' capture of Battlefield 4.
There, it was basically a single red flag.
When people caught on to the insanity that happened, they apologized but changed nothing.
I said we would have to wait and see if DF would fuck up again in favor of the Xbox One, and this is pretty much it. They saw an opportunity to control the narrative and took it.
Regardless of if there's a texturing issue, they know damn well that showing those pop-in pictures would be misconstrued.
Found the old post
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87933253&postcount=2702
