CambriaRising
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It was this way on ps3 as well. It's a small jump cut.
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Digital Foundry vs. The Last of Us Remastered
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It was this way on ps3 as well. It's a small jump cut.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Sounds pretty solid.
Naughty godrays confirmed
Naughty godrays confirmed
HORRORSHØW
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gundamkyoukai
Member
Just what i expected 60fps most of the time with some drops can't wait to get my hands on it.
funking giblet
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Critical Path code for these types of games is usually highly optimised for one platform and might have to be replaced to build on another platform (APIs are different, might not contain the same calls). The replacement might not be as efficient as the old path on the new hardware, or might have some unintended side effects.
Replacing this code with more optmised code isn't feasible in a short time frame, especially when the platform isn't mature yet. It might turn out that the old way of doing something has no alternative on the new platform and a slower workaround was used. For example, jobs that might be delegating to a queue on the PS4 were handed in threads on the PS3, migrating that code might be extremely hard or impossible without a rewrite of a large chunk of code. Writing the code with this in mind from the start would mean the maximum benefit of the new hardware was realised.
I'm really impressed, given that those 48fps drops don't last longer than a second. Naughty Dog really did a good job at maintaining the 60fps goal.
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Edit:
There is really no such thing as a "locked 60 fps" with how modern realtime graphics works so that's a weird choice of words, but yea it seems fairly stable but not perfect.
Sounds like it's turned out pretty much exactly how I expected to when it was announced. Great stuff and glad I held out on my 2nd playthrough.
The only area I think they dropped the ball on is the shadows thing and even putting a 30fps option in there really. This performance analysis shows clearly didn't need it for technical reasons and I'd personally prefer a developer of this pedigree and influence to use an opportunity like this to encourage gamers to embrace 60fps as the objectively better experience for every game.
The only area I think they dropped the ball on is the shadows thing and even putting a 30fps option in there really. This performance analysis shows clearly didn't need it for technical reasons and I'd personally prefer a developer of this pedigree and influence to use an opportunity like this to encourage gamers to embrace 60fps as the objectively better experience for every game.
Dragon1893
Member
Oh, since they're pointing it out I figured it was bigger than in the PS3 version. The way they say it makes it seem like an issue that is exclusive to this version, if it's the same as on PS3 it's barely noticeable for fuck's sake, taking nitpicking to another level, I've never heard anyone complain about that.
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blackdevil
Member
What about the "better shadows" with 30fps option? was that true?
travisbickle
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Dragon1893
Member
When a game is tailored to the strenghts of a specific piece of hardware to the point TLOU was, it's not as straightforward as you seem to think. It's not a matter of just throwing raw processing power at it, the code just wasn't written to make use of the PS4's architecture. Uncharted 4 wont have that problem since it's a PS4 game from the start.
That being said, don0t expect a locked 60fps for uncharted either. Some crazy stuff tends to happen in those games, having it maintain the 60fps in absolute worse case scenarios with the kind of visuals they are pulling off would be insanity.
Better to allow slight dips in very specific situations than sacrificing visual quality across the whole game just to maintain the 60fps in those instances.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Like expected. I imagine it's not exactly a piece of cake to rewrite that highly Cell-optimized engine for a more traditional architecture. You don't just copy the code over. I'm sure they'll achieve much greater things in the future, starting with Uncharted 4.
Why are people suddenly talking about Infamous as if it's a game that tries to achieve 60 fps but fails? It has never been that, it was always a 30+ fps game with an unlocked framerate that was later optionally locked to 30.
Why are people suddenly talking about Infamous as if it's a game that tries to achieve 60 fps but fails? It has never been that, it was always a 30+ fps game with an unlocked framerate that was later optionally locked to 30.
They tested the game without the Day 1 patch, which the shadow improvements are part of. They'll update their analysis later.
Dragon1893
Member
It just hit me that Richard Leadbetter hadn't played TLOU before. That's really weird, he's usually all over games that push technical boundaries on their hardware and he has said that he's a fan of ND's work.
Besides, with all the praise the game got and having easy access to it it's kinda surprising he didn't check it out.
Besides, with all the praise the game got and having easy access to it it's kinda surprising he didn't check it out.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Looks marvellous. A tiny fluctuation to 48fps in a hectic fight isn't going to bother anyone...
...who am I kidding, this is GAF.
...who am I kidding, this is GAF.
Dragon1893
Member
Wasn't he aware that the 30fps shadows are a day 1 patch? It has been known for a while. Or is he saying that there's no improvement even with the patch?
Glorified G
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tripleWRECK
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Pretty much, even Ghosts doesn't stay at a solid 60fps on next-gen rofl.
Summer Haze
Banned
48fps is the minimum it dipped to, and in one of the most intense scenes in the game, for no longer than a second?
I can deal with that
I can deal with that
how about: oh yes, there is!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-23-digital-foundry-vs-forza-motorsport-5
now if some people want to accept "its 60hz, unless there is shit happening" as 60hz locked,
thats their prerogative.
exactly the same goes for "yeah, sure, eye candy to the max and locked 30hz" when under load it dips too.
their prerogative to accept as "locked" also.
and like your post, I am also not referring specifically to this game, but in general!
Well he did say modern realtime graphics. ;-)
So have the Uncharted and GoW games. It's really nothing new.
Technically that's not locked either. It just never goes under 60, but you can't "lock" the minimum fps.
Make that 2 hands
Rayman Legends
New Super Mario Bros. U
Super Mario 3D World
Nintendo Land
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Mario Kart 8 (insert 59fps joke here)
Sonic Lost World
(and I won't mention all those 60 fps Wii games)
It's quite sad. Naughty Dog managed to create a really beautiful and rock solid 60 fps game on PS2 called Jak & Daxter despite PS2 being awfully hard to code for.
Oh, I know there are certainly tons of games with a stable or constant 60fps, I'm just commenting on the term "locked" and "unlocked".
You can cap it so it doesn't go over 60, but you can't really lock it to a maximum frame time, unless you just stop drawing stuff after a certain point like the NES with it's flickering sprites (which still dipped below 60fps a lot because of the CPU load). All you can do is to allow for a large safety margin, and through testing try to ensure that it never dips.
Summer Haze
Banned
Sorry to go off-topic, and be extremely nit-picky....but Forza 5 technically doesn't have a 100% locked framerate. If you drive/crash off track and onto the gravel and kick up dust, the frames will dip.
I'm just sayin' XD
Haven't read that article but if they're claiming there's no framerate dips in Forza 5 at any time in it then lol because I encountered a few when I was playing the game and I don't know about GAF, but on other forums I frequented at the time there was much discussion on the matter, so clearly it wasn't just me.
"Locked 60fps" is a term that console gamers should maybe just stop using for anything other than a small number of downloadable and indie titles imo. Never played a console game that was truly locked at 60fps the entire time.
Err, Uncharted has always been 30fps. Never 30fps +
TheLaughingStock
Member
Richard Leadbetter said:
A bit disappointed that 30 fps could have looked dramatically better. Good work otherwise. Congrats to ND!
Watching that video, looks like the frame rate is a solid 60fps the vast majority of the time. Which is my preference over a locked 60fps (which has to drop graphical fidelity in order to make leeway for otherwise very rare occurrences).
Forza 5 = retro realtime graphics confirmed.
BTW didn't ND said that they locked the frame-rate? maybe a patch will be released to iron out the frame drops.
That's the first time I see someone say that.
They render the scene normally, then have to rotate it 180 degrees. So it is extra calculation and can cause drops.
I have no idea
I'd be curious if is it close enough to 60 often enough to get the Dark10x seal of approval.
What is unreasonable about that? (I mean unless you only read until the bolded and ignored the rest of his comment and context of this thread.)
well if there are only a few occurences where it drops below 60, and the reasons for that are known (eg lots of alpha effects in bloater fights), then arguably ND could have tweaked some settings down a bit in those areas to keep the framerate higher.
HORRORSHØW
Member
sounds like me.