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[EdibleKnife]

Everyone can play the anecdote game, dude...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...camera-video-showing-shooting-of-unarmed-whi/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

I'm not saying racism isn't a factor in police shootings. Just that taking individual cases and comparing them is pointless, the only thing that matters is statistics of all police shootings.

I'm not sure why you posted those since I'm not really interested in seeing white people getting shot for the sake of equality. I'm interested in seeing better police work. If a shotgun wielding brute can still get captured alive, if several hour standoffs can occur with armed suspects, I expect better from every situation and holding officers accountable when they display shoddy work.

 

[Alcotholic]

You know, typically after you tazer someone, they aren't an immediate threat anymore.

 

[JoeBoy101]

I'm not sure why you posted those since I'm not really interested in seeing white people getting shot for the sake of equality. I'm interested in seeing better police work. If a shotgun wielding brute can still get captured alive, if several hour standoffs can occur with armed suspects, I expect better from every situation and holding officers accountable when they display shoddy work.

The point he was arguing against was racial disparity in police shootings and using anecdotes to try to prove a case, when some research says otherwise.

That said, I totally agree with what you say here.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Everyone can play the anecdote game, dude...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...camera-video-showing-shooting-of-unarmed-whi/

I like this link because the rest of the stories are black people getting gun down

not to mention the guy was walking toward them with his hand behind him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

I remember the thread we had about this I also remember her being exonerated of all wrong doings

 

[captive]

So you're telling me cops hate black people, but have a soft spot for Arab terrorists? Come on. They shot at that guy, too. The only difference is the bullets grazed him instead of hitting vitals. You can't just take different situations and treat as if they're comparable... Difference circumstances, different cops. They're not a hivemind.

Ahmad Khan Rahami was shot 7 times and was in critical condition.

Yeah

They didn't go in guns blazing. If you look at the video it is almost a minute of them yelling at him to drop the gun before you hear the shots.

The point is he SHOT at police. But in this case and a number of other cases black people are shot and killed just for having a gun, sometimes a toy gun or no gun at all.

No police don't hate black people, however, it's called institonal racism. I shouldn't need to educate you on this shit. There's a number of posts on this board with resources for you to read that explain this shit to you.

And yes white people get shot and killed by the police, however, per capita POC are disproportionately shot and killed by the police.

 

[Henkka]

I'm not sure why you posted those since I'm not really interested in seeing white people getting shot for the sake of equality. I'm interested in seeing better police work. If a shotgun wielding brute can still get captured alive, if several hour standoffs can occur with armed suspects, I expect better from every situation and holding officers accountable when they display shoddy work.

You guys were posting anecdotes of white men not being shot by cops even though they brandished guns, and implying those were somehow indicative of how cops treat white people differently in general. So my anecdotes are just as relevant as yours, that is to say, not at all.

But yeah, I agree, there needs to be better policing all around. The videos I posted are baffling, totally unnecessary losses of life. I don't know about the other case, but the female cop was cleared of all charges, btw.

edit: Not questioning institutional racism. Just that you can't use anecdotes to prove it, only statistics like POC being disproportionately shot like you said.

 

[remist]

And yes white people get shot and killed by the police, however, per capita POC are disproportionately shot and killed by the police.

There's no doubt our justice system has problems with institutional racism but when you look specifically at the data on shootings you find that per encounter they are roughly proportional. The fact that black people interact with police at a disproportionate rate than white people is a problem, but it's separate from the question of whether given any individual encounter with police you are more likely to be shot based on your race.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/upshot/police-killings-of-blacks-what-the-data-says.html

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Not sure where you get that idea.

The police will most definitely stop you and make sure you are legally allowed to carry a weapon if you are displaying it openly.

You can look it up in GA under HB60 (line 18-22) the police cannot stop you for carrying a weapon, or ask if you have a permit. Since this is an NRA agenda I assume in most open carry states this is the norm.

 

[Javaman]

You can look it up in GA under HB60 (line 18-22) the police cannot stop you for carrying a weapon, or ask if you have a permit. Since this is an NRA agenda I assume in most open carry states this is the norm.

Can they if they smell pot or see you rolling a doobie?

 

[Zoe]

You can look it up in GA under HB60 (line 18-22) the police cannot stop you for carrying a weapon, or ask if you have a permit. Since this is an NRA agenda I assume in most open carry states this is the norm.

In Texas they call that "constitutional carry", but police were able to shoot that down making it legal to ask.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

You know, typically after you tazer someone, they aren't an immediate threat anymore.

 

[formasymphonic]

So tragic. From the blurry videos, it does seem that he had a gun. But it was a legal carry weapon wasn't it? Guy had done nothing. Just chilling in his car. Cops always approach every _____ person like they are a suspect and guilty of something. Their utter inability to approach _____ people without aggression is what killed this man. If I was him, and a bunch of yahoos randomly attack me in my car and start screaming and waving a gun at me, I'd be defensive too. But since it's cops, he was a suspect and probably a serial killer or some shit.

ftfy. feel free to fill in the blanks as necessary

Why would I want black friends?

Man I wish guys like you would open with this stuff instead of your critically-analysed-only-by-myself "opinion."

Rather than a ban, this should be his tag with a link to the thread so we know we know what we are dealing with upfront.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Rather than a ban, this should be his tag with a link to the thread so we know we know what we are dealing with upfront.

That'd be useful.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Why would I want black friends?

Gutter trash..

 

[FreedomFighter]

I give a damn about facts, not cherry picking individual cases. Whether it has to end a certain way is irrelevant when you look at the bigger picture here. The accusation is that police are killing people because they are black. What evidence is there for this? Pointing out specific cases that have made the news is not a good way of getting to the facts about statistical data. The little research that has been done points to the fact that when it comes to police shootings there is no racial bias involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

Oh, please. If an entire ranch of armed Black people (or Brown Muslims) was pointing weapons at law enforcement and threatening them with harm if they move on their property, cops would've called in an airstrike. Let a group of armed Blacks or Muslims take over a government facility and watch the Army Rangers come in and run an operation to eliminate the "terrorists". You need to stop with this shit. Like race doesn't matter in policing, but keep your head in the sand. It probably just doesn't affect you so you think it's not a problem. You're wrong.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

So you're telling me cops hate black people, but have a soft spot for Arab terrorists? Come on. They shot at that guy, too. The only difference is the bullets grazed him instead of hitting vitals. You can't just take different situations and treat as if they're comparable... Difference circumstances, different cops. They're not a hivemind.

Not a hivemind? Then what are police unions?

 

[AlphaSnake]

Can they if they smell pot or see you rolling a doobie?

Yes. If they see an illegal substance and a weapon, that is a crime and a public safety hazard and the carry permit has to be revoked.

 

[Blueingreen]

sigh..has civil disturbance ever achieved anything worthwhile ?

 

[LionPride]

sigh..has civil disturbance ever achieved anything worthwhile ?

...yes

 

[Enzom21]

sigh..has civil disturbance ever achieved anything worthwhile ?

Is this a serious question or sarcasm? I am going to go with the latter, because it is too stupid to believe it is real.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

sigh..has civil disturbance ever achieved anything worthwhile ?

You should have paid attention in school.

 

[Blueingreen]

You should have paid attention in school.

You're comparing peaceful protests, to looting stores, community homicide, mob violence, attempting to burn reporters alive, and flat out anarchy ?

...yes

Is this a serious question or sarcasm? I am going to go with the latter, because it is too stupid to believe it is real.

I am an advocate of peaceful civil protests, not flat out anarchy, violence, and community suicide as Dr King would agree, or am I just a moron?

 

[Slayven]

You're comparing peaceful protests, to looting stores, community homicide, mob violence, attempting to burn reporters alive, and flat out anarchy ?

Stonewall was peaceful?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

You're comparing peaceful protests, to looting stores, community homicide, mob violence, attempting to burn reporters alive, and flat out anarchy ?

The Boston tea party? When you tar and feather tax collectors..that's not homicide, mob violence, burning a person alive or flat out anarchy?

 

[AlteredBeast]

The Boston tea party? When you tar and feather tax collectors..that's not homicide, mob violence, burning a person alive or flat out anarchy?

Gordo, you have to understand, those were white people being violent. Totally different scenario.

 

[Lyn]

Seeing some new stuff pop up in my Twitter feed this morning so thought I'd post it here for those who are still following this. Police released the full length body cam footage that we originally saw a snippet of previously. There should also be a 2 hour dash cam video appearing shortly, unless it is already up and I've missed it somewhere.

I'm heading out soon so I wasn't able to check it out in full, but there is a definite warning that the video is graphic. Not so much in outright blood, but it consists of them rolling him over to try to communicate with him, doing CPR to revive him, etc.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/33317293/cmpd-additional-police-videos-from-keith-lamont-scott-shooting

Edit: Dash cam at the local NBC affiliate:
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/keit...cott-shooting-media-release-pending/328977994

 

[thenight11]

DA is talking about charges right now, he has spent 10 minutes pretty much laying out the case .

 

[Downhome]

DA is talking about charges right now, he has spent 10 minutes pretty much laying out the case .

It sounds very, very good for the officers involved as well.

A very crappy situation, where Mr. Scott was truly in the wrong place, doing the wrong things, at the wrong time. One of those little things that just unfolded by tiny little things happened to be in place in just the "right" way" for a tragedy to occur.

 

[gamechanger87]

It sounds very, very good for the officers involved as well.

A very crappy situation, where Mr. Scott was truly in the wrong place, doing the wrong things, at the wrong time. One of those little things that just unfolded by tiny little things happened to be in place in just the "right" way" for a tragedy to occur.

Yep. Definitely a tragedy, but he was officially armed.

 

[Audioboxer]

I don't like how people lie and then run with it (book, not a gun). That does not help. Nor does the masses of citizens who just believe anything they are fed pre-investigation.

However as I say often about American police forces, too many are trigger happy. To be an officer should entail patience and good decision making. You live in a country where sadly (IMO) there are guns everywhere. You can't just shoot everyone with a gun. Heck it's bad enough police force members are killing people who are unarmed. At least with armed people there is a heightened threat to safety. However you shouldn't be brought into the forces unless your natural tolerance for stressful and dangerous situations far exceeds that of an average citizen. You should have to be in the top 20% so as de-escalation, patience and good decision making come out on top in 9/10 cases.

Taking someones life has to be the last call possible in every situation.

 

[thenight11]

.@CharMeckDA: Officer Vincent "acted lawfully" when he shot #KeithScott. https://t.co/apZsZKrHhF

 

[Downhome]

.@CharMeckDA: Officer Vincent "acted lawfully" when he shot #KeithScott. https://t.co/apZsZKrHhF

Yep, and given the information it was absolutely the right decision to come to.

 

[Lime]

.@CharMeckDA: Officer Vincent "acted lawfully" when he shot #KeithScott. https://t.co/apZsZKrHhF

of fucking course.

 

[Downhome]

of fucking course.

Did you watch the news conference and see everything laid out in pretty indepth detail? It was pretty thorough.

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

of fucking course.

His DNA was found on the gun The police saw him carrying/holding

 

[Glix]

You're comparing peaceful protests, to looting stores, community homicide, mob violence, attempting to burn reporters alive, and flat out anarchy ?

You truly have no fucking clue as to what you speak about.

And you're doing the thing where white ppl make MLK a saint so that they can compare current black leaders to him.

Guess what. He wasn't.

 

[Timedog]

You guys have to realize that there are like 13 years posting on GAF and trying to argue with adults. I did it when I was a kid.

 

[Jmanunknown]

It sounds very, very good for the officers involved as well.

A very crappy situation, where Mr. Scott was truly in the wrong place, doing the wrong things, at the wrong time. One of those little things that just unfolded by tiny little things happened to be in place in just the "right" way" for a tragedy to occur.

Seriously how many tragedies/accidents involving black males being killed by police have to occur before things change? Keith Lamont Scott gets added to the list joining Tamir Rice,John Crawford etc.

 

[The Last Wizard]

Seriously how many tragedies/accidents involving black males being killed by police have to occur before things change? Keith Lamont Scott gets added to the list joining Tamir Rice,John Crawford etc.

You're assuming something is wrong with the intended setup of the country when in all actuality it's working as planned. Why do you think black lives don't matter?

 

[Forerunner]

Nothing will happen to the officers. He had a weapon, he wasn’t complying, and I also believe he wasn’t allowed to be carrying. I don’t agree with how the officers handled the situation, but it is what it is. Police need better training.

 

[Jmanunknown]

You're assuming something is wrong with the intended setup of the country when in all actuality it's working as planned. Why do you think black lives don't matter?

Oh no I am not assuming anything this country just elected a xenophobic, racist, alleged serial sexual assaulter, and con man president and a good chunk of the country is proud so no I am not assuming anything I know what the country is like.