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Disney's Pocahontas is terrible
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EatinOlives
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I remember absolutely nothing about this film. It's by far the most forgettable of the renaissance movies.
Razgriz-Specter
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I guess you could but it just bothered me so much.
I recently rewatched all the main series of Disney animated movies, most of the DTVs were actually good or at least watchable
(TLM2 and the series, Mulan 2, Aladdin 2, 3 and the series)
Couldn't believe how bad Pocahontas 2 was and much it felt like it was trying to ruin the original.
I don't remember anything about Pocahontas II except for the feeling of anger I had watching it. I don't mind watching a bad movie, but something happen in that movie that just left me angry.
peaceiscloser
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Pocahontas sucks. Had a weak resolution, non-compelling characters, useless animal sidekicks; the only saving grace was the top notch illustration and the songs.
Razgriz-Specter
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the attempt at historical "correctness" is one thing that lead to 2 being awful.
John Rolfe
which is kind funny because in The New World I liked John Rolfe more than John Smith
Beaniedude
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Sandwiches! Sandwiches!
BARELY EVEN HUMAN!
BARELY EVEN HUMAN!
User 100115
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Still my favorite Disney number, god damn at that song and the imagery. WAY too much for kids to grasp, there. There is no way in hell there'd be a similar scene in a newer movie.
Monocle
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gutter_trash
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and Avatar has the same story as Disney's Pocahantas...
it is so wrong to select an historical event then spin it into a fairy tale.
the real Pocahontas first met the real John Smith when she was 10/12 years old, just to tell ya how off and different the real story was
it is so wrong to select an historical event then spin it into a fairy tale.
the real Pocahontas first met the real John Smith when she was 10/12 years old, just to tell ya how off and different the real story was
BladeoftheImmortal
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her hair would make great all-natural tampons.
foxuzamaki
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your terrible
Anticitizen One
Banned
but without it we would have never gotten Avatar
On a serious note, when Lion King and Pocahontas were put in development Pocahontas actually had more resources available to it because it was considered the next AAA film after Aladdin. Lion King was being worked on by a B-Team. It wasn't until very late in development that Katzenberg saw the potential in it and beefed up the budget but even up to release day Disney was considering this a lower tier film like "The Rescuers Down under".
On a serious note, when Lion King and Pocahontas were put in development Pocahontas actually had more resources available to it because it was considered the next AAA film after Aladdin. Lion King was being worked on by a B-Team. It wasn't until very late in development that Katzenberg saw the potential in it and beefed up the budget but even up to release day Disney was considering this a lower tier film like "The Rescuers Down under".
Yeah, it was pretty ironic.
BladeoftheImmortal
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The Lion King is one of my all time favorites.
Heard this story tonnes of times but I suspect it has been exaggerated for narrative effect, to emphasize the underdog success and the failure due to hubris.
Anticitizen One
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Razgriz-Specter
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Mulan 2 was good(though not even close to the original), TLM 2 was alright.
Actually heard that TLM2 was one of the worst ones, along with Hunchback 2 and Cinderella 2. Ones which I've heard may be decent were Cinderella 3, Lion King 1.5, Bambi 2 and Aladdin 3.
Only watched Aladdin 3, though, which indeed was decent.
Razgriz-Specter
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I guess it could technically be bad but I thought it was just meh at worst.(though there is easily alot of bad in it; the daughter is annoying, new animal sidekicks) It felt the most like a proper expanse and conclusion.
I haven't seen 3
Aladdin 2 & 3 are alright imo, 3 is better than 2 though.
Meh on Lion King 1.5 but I didn't love the original though so that might be the problem.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I'm not overly fond of any of the huge production modern era Disney movies. There's something about the computer aided tweening that always bugs me, the musical numbers keep getting sappier and more generic, and the comic relief has veered consistently into hamfisted smart talking in-yo-face territory for, what, two decades? They also feel like they're tailored to a market, whereas early Disney films had loftier artistic ambitions. Even the better of the modern ones are vastly overrated, and imo don't even scratch at the quality and vision of early Disney films like Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, etc. Then again, I think Jungle Book was the last stone cold classic, so I realize I'm in pretty firmly the minority on the subject. You don't know how defeated I feel every time someone ardently defends the Lion King as the pinnacle of Disney's output. It's embarrassing.
I'm not really sure what you mean there; I don't think Disney animation has ever included "computer aided tweening", unless you're talking about digital additions like the stampede in The Lion King or the "Deep Canvas" tech used on the backgrounds in Tarzan. Pretty sure the actual character animation is all still entirely hand-drawn.
Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone?
Fuck that. I remember shit about Hercules and Mulan
I don't remember a damn thing about Pocahontas.
....also Goofy Movie > All
I've learned to really love Hercules over the last few years. So much of that movie is a kind of weird genius, from the casting of James Woods as Hades to the mind-bogglingly left-field idea of having a gospel choir perform a lot of the songs via the Muses.
Smelly Tramp
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Have you seen Hercules? The hydra is completely cgi and looks cheap and nasty, some of the clouds are cgi around mt olympus as well, but they look decent.
Oh sure, I'm aware of the various uses of CGI in 90s Disney (magic carpet, stampede, hydra, Hunchback crowd scenes etc etc), I just thought GrotesqueBeauty was referring to the practice of using computers to automatically generate in-between frames (ala Adobe Flash) as opposed to having them hand-drawn.
Night Hunter
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I'm in the process of buying all the late 80s and 90s Disney films on BR and seriously, Mulan is fucking awesome and for me personally comes very close to the Lion King. Definitely better than most of their other films. People should actually rewatch all these movies and then come back and try to argue that film x is better than y.
And to add something to the topic: Yes, Pocahontas sucks. Actually I would say that it is the only 90s Disney movie that sucks.
And to add something to the topic: Yes, Pocahontas sucks. Actually I would say that it is the only 90s Disney movie that sucks.
Dat first post. Nothing beats The Lion King.
Aeriscloud
Banned
But the Lion King exists.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Still better than Avatar.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Lion King is still the greatest Disney animated film of all time. Fuck the haters.
entremet
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Who hates Lion King lol
Ranking time!
Lion King>Beauty and Beast>Aladdin>Mermaid>Tarzan.
Those are probably my top tier movies of that era.
Honorable mentions:
Lilo and Stitch
Hercules
Emperor's New Groove
VeryGooster
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Yeah, I was never a fan of Pocahontas as a kid and I especially hated the Vanessa Williams song.
Speaking of '90s Disney, I recently watched The Hunchback of Notre Dame for the first time since I think it hit VHS. It was okay but man that soundtrack is amazing.
Speaking of '90s Disney, I recently watched The Hunchback of Notre Dame for the first time since I think it hit VHS. It was okay but man that soundtrack is amazing.
alfredofroylan
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2 years after Poca' we got this:
The problem with Poca' and Mulan is that's really difficult to get interested on the characters for many people around the world, I remember something about the poor sales of the movie in Latinamerica for example, honestly I think that the most interesting character of the movie is the talking tree. Not to mention that the real story was very different.
peanutbutterlatte
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OUT THERE. living in the sun, give me one day out there, all I ask is one! To hold forever.
Underrated as fuck, especially the creepiest villain song ever.
teruterubozu
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Yup, beautiful film but it's basically Disney's mythical Love Triangle story for adults.
John Smith was a scary motherfucker - not the dashing blonde in Disney or the brooding Hamlet Ferrell. Dude and his bar mustache was brutal and psychotically egotistical. Pocahontas was like 10 or 11 when he was in Jamestown - there was never an affair.
Poor Pocahontas was westernized beyond recognition by the time she lived in the colonies and onto England. Nobody knows what Rolfe looked like, but I bet he was an ugly motherfucker and a lot heftier than Christian Bale.
Lee Chaolan
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Yeo, that's what I always hear.
and it makes me hungry
I remembered the toys. I remember the toys for Pocahontas more than the movie
lol Genie photo bombing.
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