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Do You Put Gameplay FIRST? Then PC>XSX>PS5
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davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
I LOVE Nintendo. I didn't include them because:
a- they're not really in the 'new hardware out this week' discussion.
b- they release fantastic games that are gameplay rich (and they have a good number of indies on switch) BUT for sheer volume of unique games to play, it's still hard even for Switch to beat the PC.
But yeah, Nintendo is the shit.
mejin
Member
Do You Put Gameplay FIRST? Then PC>XSX>PS5
I spent many hours playing PS5 last night (and I played it into the early morning). So, naturally, I made a video :). Here's my review of the Playstation 5, from a person who puts gameplay first and from a guy who has been designing games for 20+ years:
Clarissa
Banned
Have you played Disco Elysium yet, David? It's FANTASTIC!
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Gamepass on console has a large enough % of games that are not on PC to justify the purcase. And with more games coming from the new studios, just seemed a good thing to buy.
But yeah, if I was smart, I woulda waited a year or so. But I saw one for sale and jumped cause I've been condition to give corporations money when they convince me things are scarce and my life will be better if I fill that hole of scarcity as soon as possible. Ugh, fuck pure, unregulated capitalism :/...
bender
What time is it?
When did Jaffe start using the youtube jump cut editing style? I get such a massive headache trying to watch these style of videos.
He sounds like someone that just discovered PC gaming and has entered that annoying phase of trying to extol its' virtues to anyone that will listen as if the platform needed justification. Framing the conversation as a necessity is also weird. We don't need any of this shit, dude.
He sounds like someone that just discovered PC gaming and has entered that annoying phase of trying to extol its' virtues to anyone that will listen as if the platform needed justification. Framing the conversation as a necessity is also weird. We don't need any of this shit, dude.
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Dry_Kill_Logic_87
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only thing I know, Ratchet & Clank is coming beginning of the next year and I didn't see a game that looks like that on Xbox or PC.
to me, that's good enough reason to buy ps5 and to buy it now. and try Astro with Dualsense lol
I wanna play 60fps Days Gone and just relax in Sackboy and grind in Godfall on Christmas day after this sh*tty year.
I wanna fast UI, fast loading, stable framerate in Battlefield 1, I wanna go to stats tracking to see if I played Binding Of Isaac for 2000 hours...
Xbox has nothing at launch and IP's they have are not for me. Halo always looked like s*it to me. Gears looks good.
Doom and Dishonored are only Bethesda games that are for me.
paying 180$ (?) per year for Game Pass + Live is not something that I need.
games on Gamepass come and go and I like more when I put my ps+ games in library and play those games after a year if I want to.
sometimes I spend a month just on Battlefront 2 or World War Z working on getting a platinum.
plus, don't like the Xbox controller (sticks not on same position, batteries, size) and UI is same as before meaning ugly.
I don't get what about Series X would get me excited
to me, that's good enough reason to buy ps5 and to buy it now. and try Astro with Dualsense lol
I wanna play 60fps Days Gone and just relax in Sackboy and grind in Godfall on Christmas day after this sh*tty year.
I wanna fast UI, fast loading, stable framerate in Battlefield 1, I wanna go to stats tracking to see if I played Binding Of Isaac for 2000 hours...
Xbox has nothing at launch and IP's they have are not for me. Halo always looked like s*it to me. Gears looks good.
Doom and Dishonored are only Bethesda games that are for me.
paying 180$ (?) per year for Game Pass + Live is not something that I need.
games on Gamepass come and go and I like more when I put my ps+ games in library and play those games after a year if I want to.
sometimes I spend a month just on Battlefront 2 or World War Z working on getting a platinum.
plus, don't like the Xbox controller (sticks not on same position, batteries, size) and UI is same as before meaning ugly.
I don't get what about Series X would get me excited
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
It's only bait if you're a 12 year old fan boy who cares who 'wins' a non existent 'war'.
It's a point of valid discussion if you genuinely care about the medium of interactivity.
Thirty7ven
Banned
I put gameplay first and I give your opinion a clickbait/5.
Congrats “sir that once worked on a game people care about”, you made me click!
Congrats “sir that once worked on a game people care about”, you made me click!
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JimiNutz
Banned
Gamepass is an incredible service with great games. Such great value that could probably keep me entertained for months and months (maybe even a full year?) without having to buy a single game.
That being said, I'm drawn to those juicy 'next gen' exclusives so PS5 is gonna be my priority for now.
That being said, I'm drawn to those juicy 'next gen' exclusives so PS5 is gonna be my priority for now.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
I think people get clickbait confused with engaging or interesting.
Clickbait is when you lie about what your video, story, movie,whatever is about JUST to get people to watch it.
Writing a title that gets eyeballs and clicks isn't clickbait if the video on the other side of the click is literally about what the title is about.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I spent many hours playing PS5 last night (and I played it into the early morning).
So, naturally, I made a video.
Here's my review of the Playstation 5, from a person who puts gameplay first and from a guy who has been designing games for 20+ years:
You're not the fucking man.
/s
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
davidjaffe
I my opinion you are way to naive towards those sub services for gaming.
I don't see how thats gonna be any good for games development/ design in the long term.
Theres no incentive to produce good and valuable stuff.
Netflix has competition therefore its not comparable to gaming.
I might be wrong but I don't want gaming to degrade because of subscription services.
We see enough of that sort with Activison Ubisoft and so on. More of the same stuff in different colors.
And I do enjoy a lot of indies on PC. "Yes, my grace" was an epic game ( just as an example ). But I also want to have those blockbuster games. Judging by MS Studio output though I don't see that happening on gamepass at all.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
Guess you also mute games and listen to podcasts/music or something else while playing?
I don't understand people that don't want or hate against immersive games/media.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Y'all stop trolling the man. If you don't care about his opinion, cool, there's plenty of other threads for that. But he took the time to make a video, with great content, so respect his hustle and discuss or move on. Its annoying to see this happen to anyone, no matter if you are team red, green, blue, grey, or no affiliation to any team.
Airbus Jr
Banned
And what does Demon Souls have anything to do with his statement ?
But on a second though..
R6Rider
Gold Member
I disagree.
The controller blew my mind when I first used it with Astro's Play Room. If implemented (which it probably won't be much beyond first party titles sadly) it makes games much more engaging and fun. Even the subtleness in DS Remake from making contact with enemies adds so much more to the combat feel.
The biggest thing for me though was the triggers. The feedback from them, especially during the rocket section, was simply amazing. Imagining how this controller will be used in future titles such as GT7, Horizon 2, and GoW makes me even more excited to play them.
NewChoppa
Banned
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The PS5 is flush with third person games in which you press up on left stick and attack or jump over different enemies or platforms that get in your way as you make your way through a level.
Games the industry has been flooded with since the PS2.
I think that's an acceptable way to launch a console but Sony needs to start showing games that feel fresh in terms of design.
God of War Ragnarok probably isn't going to do that.
Games the industry has been flooded with since the PS2.
I think that's an acceptable way to launch a console but Sony needs to start showing games that feel fresh in terms of design.
God of War Ragnarok probably isn't going to do that.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Switch<PC<XSX<PS5*
Fixed it for you my man
Fixed it for you my man
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Bruno_Arrais85
Member
Cool contribution bro
M_A_C
Member
Ok... You readily admit Demon's Souls is the best looking game you’ve ever seen regardless of platform. It also plays amazing. The rest of the Sony exclusives area also fantastic. Not sure why you’d rank it 3rd because PC has Indie games you can get anywhere even on Switch but ok you do you.
Thirty7ven
Banned
The title is the definition of clickbait. You write a controversial and inflammatory title that triggers at least two quadrants of your potential audience.
The story behind the click doesn’t support the title either, as you fail to show, prove or argue why PC offers games with better gameplay. You are actually talking about quantity, which leads to your asinine assertion that... Xbox also offers a better experience to people who put gameplay first, because.. of Gamepass.
You’re all over the map. But you did it, I watched the video and I am here talking about it.
I respect your opinion, but find there’s very flimsy logic behind your reasoning. Don’t think I have to share your opinion, but wish I could comprehend it better.
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I have never really felt all that immersed by rumble or beeps coming out of the controller. Like I said before, they are nice features and I do like them. I just don’t really think it is a huge game changer like a lot of people and media folk have been gushing about. Just my opinion though!
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Because there's a looooot of people who value interesting and new gameplay design over graphics.
The PS5 is currently lacking in terms of games that provide new and interesting gameplay design.
Hopefully that changes in 2021.
Iced Arcade
Member
Thanks Jeffe. Always entertaining
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Thirty7ven
Banned
mancs
Member
I spent many hours playing PS5 last night (and I played it into the early morning).
So, naturally, I made a video
Here's my review of the Playstation 5, from a person who puts gameplay first and from a guy who has been designing games for 20+ years:
Nice enuff to play till the early hours and makes a video review.... Lmfao
kiss my bottom David
bender
What time is it?
It's clickbait. You are purposefully conflating variety in experiences with game play and then positing that PlayStation/Xbox can't provide the same game play experiences which is nonsense. Your premise would be valid if you said the barrier to entry for PC development and publishing is far lower than the console platform holders which leads to a much wider breadth of experiences but that certainly wouldn't have generated the same page/video views as what you said in your title. How droll.
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
Do you put games first?
Then PC.
Then PC.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Xbox always comes first in a gameplay thread because Asymmetrical controller
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Some consider me like one of the biggest Sony fans around here, and I'm not touching Demon's Souls, nor Persona games, even if you give them to me for free. The hype is genuine from SoulsBorne fans, Bloodborne to some is the generational game.
Also the triggers are extremely immersive, you know, you can turn everything off.
I respect his opinion because it appears genuine. He probably more of an indie fan, which is ok. To me, the mass majority of indie games are shit, and extremely rare to find something worth my time. Money isn't an issue here as they're pretty cheap.
I liked Journey, Limbo, and I think Kena, Stray and some of the new indies are stepping up their offering instead of those 8-bit BS games.
And yes, give me more massive experiences with top-of-the-industry production and quality from Sony Worldwide Studios instead of the GamePass shovelware games and bloated indie games. I would rather have indie games blocked in the PS store and have their own category instead of flooding the library with useless games.
M_A_C
Member
I’d argue Bugsnax meets all that and more and it’s free. I love games like Spelunky 2 etc that are PLayStation/PC only. I’m sure there are some games out there that you can’t get on Playstation also but seem few and far between. The logic seems extremely flawed.
MiguelItUp
Member
Imagine getting upset about someone else's opinion, lmao.
I definitely see where he's coming from and can agree with it.
AAA budget titles aren't nearly as creative and unique as a lot of AA or indie titles these days. That's because the cost of game development is so damn high in the realm of AAA that those devs and pubs usually just don't want to take any risks. Sure, you'll see them occasionally, but a lot of the time it's mechanics that are already successful with another coat of paint so that it will be alright worse comes to worse.
But again, it's just one man's opinion. Not everyone may agree, lol.
I definitely see where he's coming from and can agree with it.
AAA budget titles aren't nearly as creative and unique as a lot of AA or indie titles these days. That's because the cost of game development is so damn high in the realm of AAA that those devs and pubs usually just don't want to take any risks. Sure, you'll see them occasionally, but a lot of the time it's mechanics that are already successful with another coat of paint so that it will be alright worse comes to worse.
But again, it's just one man's opinion. Not everyone may agree, lol.
KaiserBecks
Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
PC>>> is correct. Performance/input lag+the right controller for the game+ best IQ+mods = best. Smile at anyone prizing 30fps/100+ms input lag games aiming with slow analog sticks with aim assist as the best thing.
lock2k
Banned
Just get a room with your Sony hater friend already
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Is
davidjaffe
your Nintendo friend that you told us about?Just get a room with your Sony hater friend already
Damn, seems all Gaffers are following.
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davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
It's clear you don't play on PC, which is fine. But my logic isn't flawed. It's based on experience. Here- from earlier in the thread- are 3 games (I THINK Ultrakill IS on PS4?) that you can't get on consoles:
Right now I am loving a new FPS called Prodeus. Super violent and bloody but really well paced.
There's also a very cool FPS called ULTRAKILL that blends a bit of FPS with the game VANQUISH with a touch of...hmm...no idea...when you kill enemies they bleed and you get health by being in the splash zone of their blood so there's a great risk/reward to getting close enough to get covered in enemy blood. Creates a very cool dynamic.
TEARDOWN is an amazing physics based heist game where you use cars, trucks, cranes, sledgehammers,etc...kinda ANYTHING (stuff just WORKS) to pull off crimes. It's like GTA 3 was back in the day where you could just TRY stuff. But it's way more robust than that so it feels like there are infinite ways to solve the crimes and whatever you think to try- while you may not win the level- will often times work and/or result in totally surprising changes to the play that you then must adapt to on the fly.
UNPACKING is a demo right now for a game out next year and it is- I kid you not- SIMPLY about unpacking boxes. But it's an amazing narrative where you journey with the unpakcer from childhood, to college, to marriage, and eventually- it would seem- to death. And all the things you take out of the boxes are story elements so you learn about the character thru gameplay and exploring the boxes, not cut scenes. The core game is kind of like tetris in 3D real life environments. Here's a video I made of it:
I get those looking for AAA visual feasts and such will not be into these sorts of things and I totally get that. But for me- a guy who puts the interactive aspect front and center- it's hard to go back to console gaming ONLY after you've been spoiled by PC. But as I say in the PS5 review- PS5 is great for those sorts of Marvel Cinematic Universe style games. For THOSE sorts of games? Seems like PS5 is second to none.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Xbox controllers have done that for years. Just go play Forza and press the brakes, does nearly the exact same thing.
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