I agree with a lot of points here. Not all but lots of them. Sony needs to fix their marketing. Simply put it sucks ass. Honestly tho this isn't really news.
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Does PS Vita exist / Lack of Vita games at E3
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cj_iwakura
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PSP only lasted like it did because Japan kept buying it.
Vita doesn't even have that going for it.
The future is bleak unless they do something drastic.
Gamescom isn't even in the same league with E3 when it comes to media coverage and public interest. And you know Europe isn't performing that well with eurocrisis and all that going on.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I'm a Vita owner from before the US launch and the coverage they gave it today (or didn't give it) was shameful. They spent more time on that crappy book thing. I've loved my Vita so far but it's hard not to get the impression that Sony doesn't give a fuck about it. Used as a controller for LBP2? AMAZING.
What kind of company releases a machine - which is selling poorly - then doesn't even feature it for more than 5 minutes in the largest gaming press event of the year, months later? Why do issues STILL exist like being unable to download PS minis to my Vita from my account, when I already paid for them? Why are Sony acting like this thing hasn't even launched and refuse to promote and support it like they should? It's baffling.
I bought my 3DS for RE:R, and it delivered. I didn't expected much for KI, but I was blown away. Anyway, this list wars have no meaning on a thread about Sony's E3 2012 conference. Vita presence there was very limited, no other way around it.
cj_iwakura
Member
Soul Hackers, SMTIV, Etrian Odyssey IV, the new Fire Emblem, 999-2, etc.
The first two alone are enough for me, really.
Do those games have US release dates? Serious question as I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
E3 by far and away gets more coverage than Gamescom. I think the industry was looking for a signal from Sony about Vita and the conference delivered it. Having games on the floor isn't much in the larger context of hype.
Whatever. I'm glad people like Vita. I'm just shocked how it was ignored. I truly believe it's going to be a bumpy road for Vita and it's lifespan will be limited. Like I said, I doubt it lasts 2 more years.
There's a separate 3DS conference on Wednesday.
cj_iwakura
Member
Only one of them. I took a gamble.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I bought the Vita on day one expecting the first 6-12 months being extremely low on must have titles. Thats fine. But Sony went into this conference knowing the Vita is doing absolutely horrible in terms of sales and hype. Nobody knows about the Vita and those who do know about it aren't interested. What does Sony do? They basically ignore the system during arguably the BIGGEST show of the year for gaming on the biggest stage.
All stars, Ass Creed, Little Big Planet aren't going to cut it. Nintendo had the big hitters, we all knew that, but Sony should have hammered home what we should expect the next 9-12 months. They should have made it possible for PS1 classics to be available TODAY. They should have even made it possible for PS2 classics to be available this year. They should have announced some really awesome features/games for Playstation + on Vita starting TODAY. They should have gone crazy with bundles. They should have paid for some big time exclusive for the system, be it Borderlands 2, Bioshock, or even a GTA announcement. Instead? We're left with three announcements of games that are not going to sell hardware.
If Sony couldn't care less about their own hardware then why the hell should the public? Sony
All stars, Ass Creed, Little Big Planet aren't going to cut it. Nintendo had the big hitters, we all knew that, but Sony should have hammered home what we should expect the next 9-12 months. They should have made it possible for PS1 classics to be available TODAY. They should have even made it possible for PS2 classics to be available this year. They should have announced some really awesome features/games for Playstation + on Vita starting TODAY. They should have gone crazy with bundles. They should have paid for some big time exclusive for the system, be it Borderlands 2, Bioshock, or even a GTA announcement. Instead? We're left with three announcements of games that are not going to sell hardware.
If Sony couldn't care less about their own hardware then why the hell should the public? Sony
Why in hell are you blaming the 3DS? Blame yourself and your taste instead for not picking up games like RE Revelations, Mutant Mudds, or the incredible Kid Icarus Uprising.
Dunno, find out Wednesday when they have the 3DS games conference.
I remember when everyone said the same thing about the 3DS. Seriously people never learn to stop with all the doom talk. Nothing in this industry is ever considered good enough. Last year the 3DS was going to be canceled I going by forum talk. Fast forward a year and now it's amazing and has the holy trinity in Japan. Jesus effing Christ people! When will you ever learn. Has anyone ever been right about their doom talk?
Sometimes gaf is worse than pachter
3DS was never selling 6k a week in Japan, just saying...
frAntic_Frog
Member
im sorry
but since your speaking for me, a Vita owner, can you also tell me which apps i should use the vita for? Foursquare and Twitter? great
can you also tell me what fkin food and color i should like as well as a vita owner? im seriously lost here, and i need inpu
If they projected millions Vita sales this year, they will have the mechanism to push it. E3 would be a great platform to launch something but perhaps the work-in-progress is not ready yet.
For what it's worth, I'm happy they confirmed YouTube and Hulu Plus. Also happy about SoundShapes. Don't really care for PSOne games, but I love the PSP library. I still have a backlog of 4 Vita + PSP games, not counting Gravity Rush. For other folks to jump in, Sony will need to provide other values, or better values. But that depends on whether they can lower the cost first. As for dev support, they will continue to keep the devs warm as usual, until their next tier plan is in-place.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
This is not remotely like the 3DS situation.
Nintendo always had the Mario card up its sleeve
Nintendo always had the Pokemon card up its sleeve
Nintendo always had the Zelda card up its sleeve
Nintendo always had the Metroid card up its sleeve
Nintendo had the price reduction
Sony has...
Thats the difference. Do not even try and compare the 3DS situation to that of the Vita. Nintendo also spent a good time of their E3 conference last year making announcements, BIG time announcements. They also included a price cut. They included ambassador games. They got Monster Hunter Tri and 4. What about Sony?
Hey hey, the PSP had Dissidia. It is redeemed by that aspect alone. Amaaaazing game.
And Nintendo dedicated way more than 5 minutes during E3 2011, which is the main concern against Sony in this thread.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Completely different scenario. The 3DS' success didn't just happen. Nintendo...you know...did stuff.
jimmypython
Member
still no type-0.................
They showed CoD ? All i saw was a logo. Or did i miss it ?
Forgive me if I'm not exactly keen on that sort of logic. It wouldn't be the first time Sony made a bad initial forecast for a fiscal year.
Dreams-Visions
Member
^truth.
Sorry Vita early adopters.
glad I cancelled my pre-order.
Sorry Vita early adopters.
glad I cancelled my pre-order.
Father_Brain
Banned
3DS always had guaranteed multimillion-selling first-party franchises, and significant exclusive support from the major Japanese third parties before it even launched. Vita had, and still has, neither.
It's quite ironic how the people who want so badly to believe that Vita's situation is perfectly analogous to 3DS' early struggles are constantly accusing Vita sales skeptics of "forgetting" 3DS' situation, when they're the ones who are engaging in selective memory.
Nothing Sony has done with the Vita should give you any reason to have such faith in them. Every single month we have people saying "WAIT TO THE NEXT *INSERT EVENT* FOR NEW GAMES", and the big announcements never come.
I know, I was just pointing out a difference between the 3DS situation last year and the Vita one now.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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I think proprietary memory sticks really hurt the sales. Sony should've gone with internal memory with two skus, 16GB/32GB, with memory sticks as optional instead of the 3G/non-3G models. The 16GB should've been at $250 and 32GB should've been $300.
I still love the Vita but I'm kind of regretting my purchase especially with the 32GB memory stick. It's my fault for buying into it, but I was willing to invest in one. But most people won't.
I still love the Vita but I'm kind of regretting my purchase especially with the 32GB memory stick. It's my fault for buying into it, but I was willing to invest in one. But most people won't.
Sony is stuck in "we need to beat Apple!" mode on the mobile front. The Vita almost seems like collateral damage in that context.
Nintendo put a significant amount of effort into announcing titles and support for the 3DS in the 2011 E3. Granted it was probably not enough: sales didn't pick up, and they did the major price drop. The thing to remember here though, is that for them the focus of E3 2011 was the 3DS.
Couple hours ago we saw Sony's E3 2012 briefing. Vita was sidelined for a wonderbook. Do you seriously believe they're going to pull out all the stops to save the thing, when they'd rather appeal to the casual userbase with some AR book on the most important conference of the year with everyone watching? It takes serious effort to turn things around, and they didn't even pretend to show that they cared. With their bottom line hurting, you could very well have a situation where they call Vita another 'experiment' like they did with the Go and call it a day.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
3DS had a huge price cut and major first party exclusives. What big first party exclusives were announced for Vita today?
I honestly felt the same way. P4G is pretty much the only upcoming game I'm hyped for. I'm enjoying working through a bit of PSP back catalog, and my fiance is stoked to play FF7 for the first time with the Vita PS1 classics (even though I've always owned the PS1 version... she just prefers portable and had been waiting for the chance). I know I'm in the minority though--this kind of stuff won't hold too many people over. Sony's lucky I only owned a PSP for like 6 months or I wouldn't be playing the Vita at all right now
I'm not sore about my Vita purchase yet, but I'm surprisingly happy about 3DS purchase. When I got the Vita, I ignored my 3DS for a long time while I reveled in the glory of the OLED. Starting to pick my 3DS up more again these days, though. It's a shame Sony couldn't convince me that I'd have a reason to keep picking up the Vita in the more long-term.
CamHostage
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Without the traditional sizzle reel sets, not a lot of games in total were shown by Sony. Their development list wasn't superlong though.
This light showing is typical of E3 for portables, though. Was that way for GBA, DS rarely had more than one big game showcased outside of a sizzle reel, PSP hardly ever got a spotlight, and except for the hardware, neither have closed a show with a big portable title. Handheld games tend to be behind the console releases in development (traditionally the development time was much shorter so a GBA game would be announced at E3 even if a line of code hadn't been written... obviously that has changed, but affording a walkthrough E3 demo is still probably not scheduled by the publishers for most portable game designers.)
I expect Nintendo to have a few key titles, and I was equally underwhelmed by the Vita presence here, but it wasn't really a surprise and after decades of being a portable fan watching E3 coverage, I know not to take this show as a harbinger of doom.
This light showing is typical of E3 for portables, though. Was that way for GBA, DS rarely had more than one big game showcased outside of a sizzle reel, PSP hardly ever got a spotlight, and except for the hardware, neither have closed a show with a big portable title. Handheld games tend to be behind the console releases in development (traditionally the development time was much shorter so a GBA game would be announced at E3 even if a line of code hadn't been written... obviously that has changed, but affording a walkthrough E3 demo is still probably not scheduled by the publishers for most portable game designers.)
I expect Nintendo to have a few key titles, and I was equally underwhelmed by the Vita presence here, but it wasn't really a surprise and after decades of being a portable fan watching E3 coverage, I know not to take this show as a harbinger of doom.
You want to use your piano black vita with the foursquare app, as for food you want hot wings. You good man?
3DS is the successor to the high selling handheld ever, even if Nintendo hadn't done a price job Mario would have got the job done. Nintendo didn't really do anything amazing IMO the 3DS was guaranteed support. The Vita on the other hand was the successor to the PSP, and you know how software sales went on that thing.
yellowjacket25
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This thread is really making me wonder why anyone bought a Vita in the first place if they were all going to sell them just because of an underwhelming E3 conference. Either there is a lot of hyperbole going on or GAF makes really poor purchasing decisions.
InfiniDragon
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Uh, unless Sony has some sort of mind control device they plan to use to make Nintendo create 1st party titles for Vita, it's not the same scenario. Nintendo and Nintendo alone has the instant "it prints money" button, aka their stellar 1st party lineup. That's what they used to bail out the 3DS. Sony doesn't have it, and I'm willing to bet they as a company know they don't have it. Therefore, they should have brought it at E3 with the 3rd party announcements to get some hype. They didn't.
cj_iwakura
Member
SlipperySlope
Banned
You give it more time than me. I give it 6 months. On second thought, I think it'll be discontinued this coming February. Get whatever sales they can this fall, then just end it.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Don't forget: Nintendo is going to have a separate conference on Friday *exclusively* for the 3DS.
So no, not just a few titles I assume.