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[super-famicom]

I just throw away my PS4 after a session and buy a new one.

 

[Pif]

I've done this a billion times with computers and laptops (for laptops I've removed the battery while not plugged in)...never had a single issue

your hardware will be fine and your OS should be able to handle it without problems

Wut

 

[risq_aus]

don't pour water on your PS4 either.

 

[Nostremitus]

of course you shouldn't, but it also shouldn't be catastrophic. Power outages happen

Anything will mess up if you pull the plug mid firmware update. He's lucky he didn't brick the thing. That would have been catastrophic.

 

[SunhiLegend]

I've had the 'PS4 did not shutdown properly' message quite a few times. It takes ages for the PS4 to completely shutdown. I keep it in the main living room most of the time where other people can play and I figured out why I kept getting that error, when they're finished playing they'll turn it off from the pad then get up to switch it off from the socket, problem is after the screen has turned off the PS4 still takes another 20 seconds to complete the shutdown process, it's tucked away so you can't see the light bar still flashing. Doesn't happen all the time, about once every 2 weeks and so far it hasn't affected the console or the files on the system.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Why do I get this feeling that people just don't understand how power and devices work?

 

[xxracerxx]

Why do I get this feeling that people just don't understand how power and devices work?

Because some of these people do not.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

lifehacks son

 

[Common Knowledge]

I've had the 'PS4 did not shutdown properly' message quite a few times. It takes ages for the PS4 to completely shutdown. I keep it in the main living room most of the time where other people can play and I figured out why I kept getting that error, when they're finished playing they'll turn it off from the pad then get up to switch it off from the socket, problem is after the screen has turned off the PS4 still takes another 20 seconds to complete the shutdown process, it's tucked away so you can't see the light bar still flashing. Doesn't happen all the time, about once every 2 weeks and so far it hasn't affected the console or the files on the system.

Yeah the PS4 power-down process is kind of obnoxious.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Because some of these people do not.

It's shocking that do many people assume devices will be just fine if the power is pulled while powered on. Anything that draws power and doesn't have a battery backup is suspectable to damage or corruption.

To say this only a problem with the PS4 is extremely naive.

 

[mcrommert]

I've done this a billion times with computers and laptops (for laptops I've removed the battery while not plugged in)...never had a single issue

your hardware will be fine and your OS should be able to handle it without problems

Please stop..you are killing me

 

[NeonBlack]

Power surges are not the same as simple power outages. My phone doesn't go corrupt if I drain the battery down to 0%. My computer has been running during many power outages and hasn't required me to format my drive as a result.

The guy right under my post explained the phone built-in foolproofing.

And as far as phones go, those are portable devices and thus have built-in batteries and tend to have associated safeties (you typically can't update your phone without a decent charge and phones will usually shut-down forcibly once the battery gets to a certain point), so most loss-of-power situations usually aren't relevant there anyway. But even still, in the event the battery were to fail or be disconnected it's completely possible the same issues could arise. This shit could happen to literally anything.

As for PCs and power outages, you forgot the post that quoted you about their experience.

A SSD in my computer was actually damaged during a power outage.

My PS4 and PC have never needed reformatting from power outages they were part of. Doesn't mean its not possible.

 

[HiiiLife]

Come on GAF I know you're smarter than this.

 

[Aenima]

Are you people really defending this? It's abhorrent that a console can't survive a sudden power failure with out losing your data.

This is horrible design.

I got some power failuers in my house while playing on PS4 (and other consoles) and never lost any data. But if u do that a habbit of pulling the cord with the system on, u risk corrupting ur data. Is common sense in any electronic.

 

[brickarts295]

Never unplugged but I get short power outages at least 1 time every couple of months. Thankfully the PS4 is on sleep mode everytime but then again I'm always worried since it is technically ON.

 

[SugarDaddy]

Not really. Yanking the battery from your phone is fine and every console before the ps2 had an off switch that just killed the power. You can unplug your pc when it's on or lose power with out really encountering problems as long as you've saved whatever you're working on.

Not true at all...

 

[InsaneTiger]

Not really. Yanking the battery from your phone is fine and every console before the ps2 had an off switch that just killed the power. You can unplug your pc when it's on or lose power with out really encountering problems as long as you've saved whatever you're working on.

Oh my god...

 

[MuchoMalo]

Is the PS4 your first electronic device, especially with a hard drive? I think this is what we refer to as a PEBCAC error.

 

[zer0blivion]

Holy shit. That was static wasn't it? I think it happens in dry weather mostly, no?

They lit their lighter to try to scare away a spider that was on the flap that covers the gas cap.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...station-fire-using-lighter-scare-spider-video

 

[Alebrije]

instead of shutting it down from the controller and then unplugging it i just yanked the power cable off and went to sleep

 

[Unknown Soldier]

yeah it worries me. I live in North Seattle and we lose power a couple times a winter because of all the douglas firs.

Get a surge protector for all your expensive nice electronics.

 

[RevenWolf]

Power surges are not the same as simple power outages. My phone doesn't go corrupt if I drain the battery down to 0%. My computer has been running during many power outages and hasn't required me to format my drive as a result.

And that's lucky for you in terms of the computer. I lived in areas where outages happened constantly. I've lost at least 4 separate computers to those kind of issues.

It's rarely something that will kill a device on the first go. But having it happen repeatedly is a sure fire way to fuck it up eventually.

 

[Darksol]

Additional OP Pro tip: don't pour water on electronics

 

[Muzicfreq]

Um....

 

[NoHeDidn't]

Im almost positive if it powered on from sleepmode it was cause you have it set up to update games and/or update firmware at a specified time.Since the issue is System Update Im betting it was updating itself to the bombdiggity 4.0 folders OS and that is literally the worst time to yank out the cord.

I used to have my ps3 set to update itself/games/upload saves etc at 6am but I made sure my PS4 doesn't update shit when its in sleep mode.Go into power save settihg and turn off auto update while in rest mode and done system will stay asleep.

 

[RevenWolf]

Not really. Yanking the battery from your phone is fine and every console before the ps2 had an off switch that just killed the power. You can unplug your pc when it's on or lose power with out really encountering problems as long as you've saved whatever you're working on.

This is some serious misinformation here and I'll not let you spread it!

 

[Aenima]

Btw, heres a pro tip for the ones that pull the plug when the system crashes on a game or something else. Just press and hold the power button of the console for 10-15 seconds. It will restart the console with no need to pull the plug.

 

[Three]

My brother turned off an extension lead plugged into the PS4 while trying to plug his phone charger in. Had to reinstall everything because it encountered the same problem. Was a PITA.

 

[Soriku]

My launch PS4 has an annoying "feature" where it turns on by itself, instead of shutting it down from the controller and then unplugging it i just yanked the power cable off and went to sleep. Today i boot the PS4 and i encounter an error saying i needed to reinstall the latest firmware through a USB drive but doing so will delete all my data, i couldn't find any solution online so i just initialized my system causing me to lose everything. It's not a total loss because i think got most of my saves on the cloud but i have to redownload everything again which is horrible. The most peculiar thing is that i have unplugged my PS4 several times and this is the first time i see such an error, so yeah be careful guys.

You can't turn it off with the controller, then yank the cord?

 

[RevenWolf]

Um....

You can't turn it off with the controller, then yank the cord?

Too much time and effort to do that!

 

[Macapala]

I also heard that you shouldn't poke forks into a socket.

Na man, its toasters you're not meant to stick forks into. Power sockets are perfectly fine

 

[Magitex]

Power outages are common where I live, computers losing power is basically a non-issue. Infact I can't think of too many devices so poorly designed they can't withstand power loss.
The worst you should experience in a computer is the loss of some non-critical data.

The PS4's design should have have included a dual bios (it probably does at a low level I'm guessing, but not for the main flash?), but they are more concerned about security than user sanity. There's really no reason for requiring a format in anything other than complete harddrive corruption.

edit: fun fact: there's no way to actually turn off the god damn slim PS3 without yanking it from the wall, amazing design.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I do this all the time. All the time. Mostly because i leave it in rest mode, and as far as I know there's no way to go from rest to off without booting it back up again.

 

[barit]

Yeah unpluging your PS4 should be the very last thing you do when it freezes. Holding the power button for 5sec. is the better way to force a shutdown

 

[Roshin]

It tells you this literally every time you put it to sleep.

When I saw this message on my PS4 last night for the squillionth time, I thought to myself "No shit, Sony. Who would do such a thing?" and here we are today.

That message is for you, OP.

Come on GAF I know you're smarter than this.

I don't know. There's been some threads lately...

 

[adamy]

Please stop..you are killing me

Wut

I love how both these posts provide zero facts to contradict what I stated.

I was originally a comp sci major before switching majors a long, long, long time ago, so I'm far from an expert, but I would love to hear what both of you have to input that refutes this. I would love to hear what both of you have to input that refutes this

drive by posts like these contribute nothing to the thread

I can literally film a video of me emulating a power outage on any of my Linux systems and repeat it 1000 times, regardless of whether its PC or laptop, and run into 0 problems

again, would love to hear the reasoning behind your posts

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Not really. Yanking the battery from your phone is fine and every console before the ps2 had an off switch that just killed the power. You can unplug your pc when it's on or lose power with out really encountering problems as long as you've saved whatever you're working on.

NTFS is an extremely robust file system but you should seriously not turn your PC off by unplugging it. Common sense is the least common of all the senses, apparently.

 

[Giganteus]

Come on GAF I know you're smarter than this.

Sure.

 

[benny_a]

I love how both these posts provide zero facts to contradict what I stated

I was originally a comp sci major before switching majors a long, long, long time ago, so I'm far from an expert, but I would love to hear what both of you have to input that refutes this

1996: https://www.cs.duke.edu/csl/docs/sysadmin_course/sysadm-80.html

If you think this has gotten better, consider the advancements in file systems that are data scrubbing.

Don't turn shit off when it's still running. Use the proper shutdown procedures that you are being informed of when using the system.

I can literally film a video of me emulating a power outage on any of my Linux systems and repeat it 1000 times, regardless of whether its PC or laptop, and run into 0 problems

Please tell me what filesystem you use on Linux and then make that video. (None of the read-only mounted stuff, though.) Thanks in advance.

 

[Fancyarcher]

I've done this a few times, and I don't think I've run into that problem specifically. It depends on the system I'm assuming.

 

[KyleCross]

I tell ya, one thing that a lot of people still do is stack their electronics. DON'T DO THAT. A lot of people think it's fine if the console doesn't have vents on top. NO.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Never fart on another man's balls, Douchebag.

 

[adamy]

1996: https://www.cs.duke.edu/csl/docs/sysadmin_course/sysadm-80.html

If you think this has gotten better, consider the advancements in file systems that are data scrubbing.

Don't turn shit off when it's still running. Use the proper shutdown procedures that you are being informed of when using the system.


Please tell me what filesystem you use on Linux and then make that video. Thanks in advance.

your post makes zero sense. it doesn't provide any meaningful information whatsoever. it doesn't even address what file system it is referring to. not to mention it's an article on the subject from 1996...1996.

but yes, I would imagine this problem would make sense back in 1996.

 

[Magitex]

1996: https://www.cs.duke.edu/csl/docs/sysadmin_course/sysadm-80.html

Yeah I don't know about quoting some article from 1996; that was long before harddrives heads were capable of parking on power loss.

 

[Coffee Dog]

The PS4 is more sensitive to being powered off incorrectly than any other electronic device I've owned.

My computer, my consoles, and all my handhelds can lose power without the catastrophic results my PS4 predicts every time I put it into its slow ass rest mode. I wonder why.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The PS4 is more sensitive to being powered off incorrectly than any other electronic device I've owned.

My computer, my consoles, and all my handhelds can lose power without the catastrophic results my PS4 predicts every time I put it into its slow ass rest mode. I wonder why.

The short answer is: Because PS4 and every other PS system still uses FAT32.

The longer answer is: FAT32 is a piece of shit and it's baffling why Sony hasn't moved on to some variant of a Linux-native file system after all these years.

 

[Falk]

I've done this a billion times with computers and laptops (for laptops I've removed the battery while not plugged in)...never had a single issue

your hardware will be fine and your OS should be able to handle it without problems

I'm looking for a GIF of a flash drive being pulled without ejecting resulting in a mushroom cloud nuclear explosion but I can't find it so you're just going to have to pretend I posted it.

 

[FataIChoice]

I can't tell if people are trolling or what, but maybe we really do need a PSA for pulling the plug on your electronics.

Holy shit.

 

[adamy]

I can't tell if people are trolling or what, but maybe we really do need a PSA for pulling the plug on your electronics.

Holy shit.

we really don't

if your electronics can't handle this, you should really rethink what the fuck you're doing

 

[SuperCambot]

The only question that matters: was P.T. on it?

Fuck P.T.

Please tell you you didn't have Mickey's Castle of Illusion!!!

Edit: Never mind, that was a PS3 game.