I have to agree with outsida. I need more info.
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Doom announced (id/Bethesda, PC/PS4/XB1, idtech6, 1080p/60fps, gore), first details
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FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Gotdaaaaaaaamn! I can't freaking wait, With that description no Doom fan should be able to wait lol. I actually replayed both 2 games on superhuman about a year and a half ago, It still is satisfying as hell and holds up really fucking well.
That gif made me bust out laughing in the middle of work and now everybody is looking at me like I'm crazy. Thank you, sir! *saved*
Backfoggen
Banned
There HAS to be a hot cam rip of this presentation.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I'm going to keep watching the thread just to observe everyone go through the 5 stages of grief as we continue to get no footage. Should be interesting.
Don't count on it. It seems Bethesda/Zanimax did their absolute best to keep anything from leaking out.
It's incredibly evil. But in a way I admire their marketing strategy.
evilromero
Member
Gotdaaaaaaaamn! I can't freaking wait, With that description no Doom fan should be able to wait lol. I actually replayed both 2 games on superhuman about a year and a half ago, It still is satisfying as hell and holds up really fucking well.
This must be quoted one more time. I was on the phone with my dad and I was trying to contain my laughter but it instead came out as if I were crying. lol
Flachmatuch
Member
Errr, everyone played it with the keyboard when it came out. You couldn't even look up/down. MKB came quite a bit later. Controller controls are much, much closer to original Doom controls than mkb.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Read the subtext and my earlier posts dude. On your side!
Slackerchan
Member
It was a pretty good presentation. No hope for shaky cam footage, guys, I'm sorry. They had QuakeCon volunteers marching up and down the aisles every 30 seconds looking for people with cameras: almost no way you could get away with more than 20 seconds of captured footage, at least from where I was sitting.
Flachmatuch
Member
Volunteering for this kind of policing is somewhat disgusting.
Hehe sorry
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
On the other hand, QuakeCon needs volunteers for lots of good things, like making sure no one holds a hissy fit in the BYOC room. Not that I love what Bethesda/ZeniMax is doing with the restricted reveal, but I don't think the volunteers are to blame for anything.
Flachmatuch
Member
It's just sad that they don't realise they're voluntary police serving to keep a corporate marketing strategy working.
Goddammit, I was trying to brush my teeth but now there's toothpaste and spit all over the mirror.
Robot Pants
Member
God Damn. So without a leak, we have to wait how long til we see some footage?
AgentOtaku
Member
Welp, time to play through the entirety of my DooM BFG copy
sixteen-bit
Member
Based 60fps. Love to hear that.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
You don't know that, lol.
Well, let's just wait and see. If this all turns for the worse, we'll always have the rest of classic-FPS revival to care for, not to mention everything new coming out of the Doom community.
evilromero
Member
I hope we don't have to wait until fall of 2015 to play this.
The Cowboy
Member
I wouldn't go as far as disgusting, but it is indeed pretty crappy.
I really do not understand the secrecy around showing the footage to people who didn't attend, it just makes no bloomin sense to me.
Worst case scenario, next Quakecon.
But no publisher in the world could be so foolish to keep something hush hush like this for so long.
As someone else noted, most people played Doom with the keyboard back in the day. I know I did as did everyone else I know that was into it. I didn't take up mouse aiming until Quake. The mouse never worked well in standard Doom.
Because mouse + keyboard is the superior control scheme for a FPS. There is a dramatic difference between a console shooter and pc fps.
Some examples (all first person shooters)
PC FPS: Quake, Counter-Strike
Console FPS: Halo, Killzone
Game speed/flow, degree of demanded accuracy, autoaim in console games, they are very different.
Now, personally I don't care that it was demoed with a controller, its just indicative that it will be console focused. And of course, it can still be a great game!
That's not what I asked dude, I said "And why is demoing it on a controller a bad thing?"
I know the difference between a m/kb and controller, no need for such a patronising response. I don't see how demoing a game with a controller means it will be a bad game or console focused. You do realise every game has controller support now?
I don't understand how that was a patronising response, it seems he/she misunderstood your question.
That's pretty patronising man, telling me what a console and PC fps is and what the difference is? Really?
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
So long as it isn't as bad as doom 3 i'll check it out.
You call my post patronizing yet you still don't understand why demoing with a controller is a sign of it being console focused. Do you really think that if the game demanded accuracy and fast view rotation (both of which are characteristic of pc shooters) they would have played with a controller?
And for the record, I did not say that it would be a bad game or that console shooters are bad.
Of course and thats great.
You can play DOTA 2 with a controller, does not mean it is the most efficient way or designed around the limitations of a controller. Halo is the exact opposite. Designed with a controller in mind. Try Halo on PC with a mouse. The FOV feels claustrophobic and the inclusion of auto-aim actually makes getting headshots more difficult when sniping from close range. Yet those issues vanish when playing with a controller.
Honestly I think they demoed it with a controller because everything is demoed with a controller and it's much more practical than demoing a game on stage with a PC setup. Tell me, when did you last see a game demoed with m/kb?
It most likely has no bearing whatsoever on if the game is designed for PC or console, eg. Played through Wolfenstein TNO using both a controller and m/kb depending on where I was playing it, had no issues what so ever when playing with both. In fact there was no auto aim on controller, just like Rage before it which is another id Tech game and a good sign that Doom will be the same on consoles.
Again, really surprising the amount of people offended by seeing a controller demoing a PC game. Kinda forget about this fanboy shit cause I play games on everything.
Hmm, was doubting to get the BFG edition... But now I'm thinking I should just get the old cheap vanilla Doom 3 release and add these mods.
If we were talking about a finished game, I might agree. But they're looking to present an incomplete game in a controlled fashion in a way that shows it off the best. Actually *watching* a good M/KB player when it's not you at the controls is actually kind of hard to follow, I find.
...which isn't really saying it *won't* be console-ised, as such - I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if it was. I just think that presenting it with a controller isn't really damning evidence to suggest that.
Ragnarok
Member
The original game was played with just a keyboard. I think it'll be fine...
test_account
XP-39C²
Back in the days, i played Doom 1 and 2 with keyboard only (both games have mouse support). I also played the Gameboy Advance version of Doom 1 (or maybe it was 2) without any big problems. Doom never struck me as being a game where you have to be super quick and accurate. I didnt play that much of Doom 3 though, so i cant say much about that game.
Was Counter Strike: Global Offensive made with consoles in mind by the way? That game excist on both PC and consoles, and could technically be demoed with a controller if they wanted.
Slackerchan
Member
It's a shame that no one will (probably) be able to see any footage of the game before E3 next year but, if you want an idea of what id is putting together, go play the BFG edition of Doom 3 as well as Brutal Doom. Imagine the enemy design of Doom 3 BFG being faster paced, combined with the open level design and, well, brutality of Brutal Doom using idTech 5. Subtract the horror elements of Doom 3, add in a basic parkour movement and a first person God of War-esque melee finisher system and that's what the new Doom seems to be. It's pretty fucking cool.
I think you need to step back and recall that both Doom and Quake were low accuracy games (in SP). They both used heavy auto-aim. This was before the rise of the mouse and keyboard scheme, of course, but you can play both games with a mouse and keyboard today. What made them great was not pixel perfect mouse aiming. You can achieve what made them great using a game pad (particularly Doom).
Precise aiming is not the only thing that defines a PC style shooter. There's just no way in hell that this was ever going to be a PC only release so gamepad support is a must.
For a multi-player game, precision matters. For a single player title, however, the situation is different.
spookyfish
Member
Thanks for impressions.
This reasoning only makes sense if this game has the same copious amount of auto aim that the original Doom had. Not that I agree that demoing on a controller means something is up, but still.
Played plenty of Wolfenstein, Titanfall and even Brutal Doom with a controller on PC, had no problems even though KB/M is still better. Try again?
Actually mouse was not so popular in early 90s. Most PC gamers played original Doom with keyboard only back in the days.
Just because it works alright with a controller doesn't mean that the game wouldn't benefit from a complete MKB focus. That's quite an ignorant standpoint. Take Titanfall for example, supposedly a lightning fast FPS but in reality it's barely faster than CoD because it still needs to adhere to the same LT-RT control scheme. Dirty Bomb is a great example that would be impossible to play with a controller. The game is designed around super fast movement speed, no hipfire penalty and headshot multipliers.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I've never understood why KB+M is so worshipped when it's a control method that was never designed with gaming in mind. I'm not saying controller is better (for FPSs anyway) but there must be better alternatives out there.
Because it's more accurate. That's about the gist of it.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
computers weren't designed with gaming in mind either, that doesn't mean their not damn good at it.
Yeah, even with Quake lots of people were playing keyboard only, at least for a while. Mouse look wasn't even enabled by default.
I was both mindblown and skeptical when I first tried mouse look on Quake, but eventually I switched (partly because of multiplayer where I was getting my ass kicked).
OriginalNameGuy
Member
No leaks at all?
I have to see it for myself before I get excited. Impressions from journos don't do anything for me because of all the flowery language they tend to use.
I have to see it for myself before I get excited. Impressions from journos don't do anything for me because of all the flowery language they tend to use.