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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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The Silver
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above average shit is still shit, this episode was just a complete embarassment
Ryouji Gunblade
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That Kotaku article got me thinking. Is there an action anime that has consistent animators throughout?
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Kyleripman
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The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
Stopmotionkai
Neo Member
i meant fan talk around message boards, sorry. I just wondered because I would like the kai buu saga to come out before any dubbing (whenever that could be) happens on Super.
The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
sooooo gooooood
The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
I missed this in my life so much. I didn't know how much I missed seeing this type of stuff every week until this episode, quality be damned. What matters is if Toei animates the right things correctly. They made the right decisions on that part of the episode.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Meh, that Kamehameha looks weak.
This looks weak, and it actually looks like Super trying to capture the good parts of DBZ and coming up short, don't ask me why I feel that why. Something just seems off about this scene.The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
I think it's the digital coloring. The old show had more of a weight to its look when it looked good. I feel this way about a lot of older shows that transitioned to digital.
EDIT: for the record though, I thought the scene in that gif was cool/fine.
TheRealTalker
Banned
granted some parts of the episode looked fine
and I know they'll clean it all up once it hits blu-ray
I am just laughing that they had pretty decent animated episodes before this one with the episode prior to this being nicely drawn.... just shows that Toei can do stuff correctly but their whole planning schedule is messed up
and I know they'll clean it all up once it hits blu-ray
I am just laughing that they had pretty decent animated episodes before this one with the episode prior to this being nicely drawn.... just shows that Toei can do stuff correctly but their whole planning schedule is messed up
Dark_castle
Junior Member
The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
Ehhhhh. One of the punches scene is good, but the kamehameha is total weaksauce. How did it go from
to that?
who said it was a kamehameha?? I'll tell you who didn't say it was from watching the episode... Goku. And even it was why cant he form the shape of it to what he wants? And the episode prior you got a kamehameha like the image you posted(which is funny that you used fanart) where its actually said its a kamehameha. this thread is getting a bit whiney and overly cynical. the color palette swap to purple was a really tasteful touch.
Maybe Goku did not find it necessary to do a SSJ3 level Kamehameha wave on a guy that's more powerful than him, on a tiny sized planet with other people on the planet, makes sense if you consider Goku's thought process regarding innocent bystanders.
did you even watch episode 4 or 5?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I thought less people would be shocked by the quality of Toei anime after how Sailor Moon Crystal ended up looking. Alas, outrage.
Re: ep 5: It wasn't as bad as some of the screen grabs made it look, but it still looked pretty awful. So, like old school Dragon Ball!
Re: ep 5: It wasn't as bad as some of the screen grabs made it look, but it still looked pretty awful. So, like old school Dragon Ball!
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Got back from dbz resurrection f.
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That should have been a two part anime OVA.
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That should have been a two part anime OVA.
Crimson-Death
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Well, the older battles like the one you posted sometimes feel so much more epic than some of the later Super Saiyan battles. I always felt that the grand showoff of power in the older battles was because their energy and attacks were not as properly and neatly controlled. SO, Goku's little ball of energy there is orders of magnitude more powerful than that earlier kamehameha. A display of effort by SSJ3 Goku comparable to his effort in the older battle would necessarily produce a kamehameha millions of times more powerful. That's why Beerus can destroy the whole dinosaur planet with a tiny speck of energy while Mecha Frieza had to produce such an epic ball of energy when he tried to destroy Earth against Trunks, and when we first see Vegeta destroy a planet it took an enormous blast from him. I am sure we all rather have epic.
All that being said, up to that point in Super the Beerus "battle" just looked really lame, lazily drawn and choreographed, with no real weight or power to the punches, it just felt like any of the older characters even from the original Dragon Ball, might have kicked this Super Saiyan Goku's ass. It did not feel like Goku exerted any real effort against the God of Destruction, even if this is the initial fight.
But I am still greatly enjoying Super, I guess because I was expecting it to be lighter in tone, and not the insanity of action of Z. But still.
I don't know about consistent animators, but the recent hunter x hunter series did well with it's animation throughout (for the most part)
Jex
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It really wasn't. It had a couple of nice cuts of animation and the rest of it was exactly the same kind of animation that Toei has been producing for decades (see Sailor Moon Crysal or One Piece). There's nothing embarrassing about that because their standard has been very low for a long time.
People are cherry picking a handful of inbetween frames to argue that this is some kind of abomination when, really, it's not. Most animation features odd looking inbetweens but that's not an issue because they're only on screen momentarily.
Which isn't to say that you should be happy with the quality of the art this episode - just that it's well within the standard for Toei. If this is a problem for people right now be advised - its unlikely to get much better as time goes on.
I don't know any other series that looks as good and consistent for 100+ episodes like that one.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
This is a case of people remembering the good looking parts of Dragon Ball/DBZ/GT and ignoring all the other times it actually looked like shit. The Sonic Adventure 2 syndrome.
Hunter X Hunter 2011 is handled by one of the studios with most consistently good-looking art in the industry. On the other hand, that show suffers from an overuse of recycled footage from previous episodes, especially during the Chimaera Ant arc.
The Silver
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I don't watch those other shows and I don't care what their animation and art is like, I'm judging this episode in comparison to the previous episodes of DBS and it's an embarassment. If later episodes continue to be at that level than those episodes will also be embarassments.
And something being a standard doesn't mean it isn't an embarassment, their standard is an embarassment.
and I've said the word embarassment far too many times and I now I hate the word
donkey show
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There are like 500 versions of the Kamehameha. He used a remote version that was ball shaped underwater in his fight against Freeza back on Namek: https://youtu.be/tUlZioDanIw?t=156
Hope we see more stuff like this tbh.
Man that early DBZ dub is rough. And some people say it's better than the Kai dub. LOL
Parallax Scroll
Banned
OK, I rewatched that scene. Somehow I missed that line before.
LOL that Vegeta never bothered to find out where his brother's planet is.
TheRealTalker
Banned
love the movie
due to the lol factor of the Z fighters
becoming so unemotional and bored at the whole Earth is in danger threat that they literally talk to Freeza as if it is a long time friend visiting again
lol offered him tea and stuff
I guess seeing so many villains, having the planet blow up before and using the Dragonballs have made everyone view this whole I am going to die thing as meh
lol offered him tea and stuff
I guess seeing so many villains, having the planet blow up before and using the Dragonballs have made everyone view this whole I am going to die thing as meh
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
wayy better.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
It's not even close. The voice actors are more experienced by the time they get to Kai and are able to give much better performances.
IAmRandom31
Banned
The lows of this ep were really low, but let's appreciate this (imo) really great moment:
yeh that was the best moment of the episode
it still bugged me how Goku is fighting like he has never had any sort of training before. Just lunging and punching over and over, or pulling a Vegeta and just punching away non stop wearing himself out
TheRealTalker
Banned
So will there be no episode this week? :/
Because WSJ is going to go on break due to the Obon Festival Holiday
I wonder if this will also effect animes
Because WSJ is going to go on break due to the Obon Festival Holiday
I wonder if this will also effect animes
DragonSworne
Banned
SSJ1 Goku looked like trash. :/
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Maybe he underestimated Beerus since he can't sense his ki.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Original Naruto run is 100+ eps of good shit
That part of Dragon Ball has been dead since the end of the Cell saga.
The vast majority of Goku's formal training consists of him running laps with progressively heavier weights. The only one who might've taught him any proper martial arts is Kami, and even that's uncertain. He only ever resorts to actual tactics when he's up against someone he can't overwhelm through sheer strength and speed, and Beerus shuts him down before he realizes it in this case.
There is some really bad animation in Naruto Og.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Kaio at least taught him a couple moves.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Pretty soon after the 100 episodes, yeah, but for the most part it was well made.
Bringing back King Kai's VA was a horrible decision if he doesn't usually sound like that.
The bad animation was noticeable but the screengrabs show how terrible it really was. I can't defend this kind of animation, at least for the Naruto v. Pain stretchy animation it seems to be a stylistic choice, albeit a shitty/misunderstood one. This is just cutting corners, they replaced perfectly good animation from the movies with bad animation!
The bad animation was noticeable but the screengrabs show how terrible it really was. I can't defend this kind of animation, at least for the Naruto v. Pain stretchy animation it seems to be a stylistic choice, albeit a shitty/misunderstood one. This is just cutting corners, they replaced perfectly good animation from the movies with bad animation!
Jex
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But, by that token, you're arguing that the earlier episodes of the show looked good when, er, frankly it's always looked kinda cheap. They just didn't have that much action in them. The amount of fighting here just brings to light Toei's legendary cheapness.
Again, I have no problem with people taking umbrage with the quality of the animation, I just feel like it needs to be considered in the wider context.
It's been a ball before in the manga. Goku vs fat buu for instance and I think Goku vs Cell as well.
Yes, this Episode was bad. But Toei can do much worse. How much worse?
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Have Fun!
Well look trough the following Tumblr: http://oen-peice.tumblr.com
And keep in mind that it is the same Company!
Have Fun!
Dagobert Duck
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Well indeed the animation is bad and I think it would have been a good idea to not drag the fight out so long and just use Battle of Gods footage...
The real problem is, that Episode 4 was just sooooo good animation-wise so you can clearly see the huge stepdown... the episode itself was fine though, its still hyping me up
The real problem is, that Episode 4 was just sooooo good animation-wise so you can clearly see the huge stepdown... the episode itself was fine though, its still hyping me up
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Well indeed the animation is bad and I think it would have been a good idea to not drag the fight out so long and just use Battle of Gods footage...
The real problem is, that Episode 4 was just sooooo good animation-wise so you can clearly see the huge stepdown... the episode itself was fine though, its still hyping me up
People keep saying this. Ep 4 had garbage animation and it was out of style with all the thick outlines all over the place.
Also, as bad as the inbetweens in Ep 5 were, using the animation from the movie instead would be an even worse decision. Theres like a can of worms amount of problems there.
Please don't bring up Naruto vs Pain. That's high quality animation.
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