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[angelic]

You can only go into the hyperbolic time chamber for a total of 2 days( 2 years in the chamber)

Vegeta just trains differently than goku and gohan, goku actually legit knows how to train, probably because he had real teachers and such, its an actual point they made in the cell saga, vegeta thinks if he just pushes his body to the limits everytime without giving time for rest he will get stronger, but even in real life you cant reasonably do that and get stronger.

I dont know what your asking here, maybe he can if he tries hard enough, SSJ3 is really exhaustive though and its better to use SSJ1 or SSJ2 then to bother learning SSJ3.

I mean, they probably can, who said they couldnt?

I wonder that myself.

thats interesting ive never heard that, where was it said, or what did they say. and in fact who said it?

 

[AdanVC]

There's something I really love about extremely powerful beings fighting like children on the playground

This. That's what I love about DB. The actual series never takes it seriously. Toriyama has always some humor to add even on the most serious moments. For example, the beginning of the Cell games when Mr. Satan and his squad arrives. Or the fact that Beerus wants to destroy planets not for misterious or dark reasons, but only because certain food he ate there was too greasy. I appreciate stuff like that.

 

[angelic]

he doesnt really do it for those reasons, hes destroying planets so that there can be a contrast to the creation of them. he just enjoys giving them a chance to show a reason they could be saved. thats why hes not evil or good hes just neutral. i know its nit picking but its a distinction worth making.

 

[E the Shaggy]

thats interesting ive never heard that, where was it said, or what did they say. and in fact who said it?

I think they touched upon this during the Cell Saga when Goku and Gohan were chilling out between training sessions. They essentially talk about the importance of letting their muscles heal to grow stronger.

Vegeta, by training harder, is essentially making himself weaker since he's not giving himself a chance to heal.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

I think they touched upon this during the Cell Saga when Goku and Gohan were chilling out between training sessions. They essentially talk about the importance of letting their muscles heal to grow stronger.

Vegeta, by training harder, is essentially making himself weaker since he's not giving himself a chance to heal.

You say this but Vegeta is the real smart one, He hasn't stopped training since frieza. Just wait till his rest/heal time happens and he grows stronger than broly. My Man vegeta playing the long game

 

[Magwik]

Spoiler

Seconds after Beerus ends the fight Champa blows up a Frieza space ship which prompts sorbet to revive frieza.

So what you said is still true, but they're not going to be a surprise reveal

What we have to assume:

1) Sorbet doesn't show up for 6 months. Goku JUST used the dragon balls
2) Frieza doesn't show up for a year, since he trains for 6 months.

So pan'll be born, so they have maybe 8 months to volunteer pan to make Gods, so

Spoiler

Vegeta

will get his at least. If anyone else is getting it it would need to be then, because once the kid's out i don't think she's going to be giving anyone anything for a few years.

Spoiler

So lets say the frieza force confuses Champa with Beerus, which prompts Frieza to go after Beerus but instead Has Goku fight for him since he would rather do other things, would be a nice change from the movie
All my speculation of course

 

[shadowsdarknes]

After Gohan's pitiful performance in DBZ Super, I bet she never puts out to Gohan ever again. After all, she's the daughter of the champ. Not the chump.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

thats interesting ive never heard that, where was it said, or what did they say. and in fact who said it?

It makes sense. Goku has always had many teachers despite having all of this natural ability. Vegeta flies solo. Even in the hyperbolic time chamber, it seems that Vegeta didn't actively work with Trunks in the same way Goku and Gohan trained. And it's why Vegeta thought going back into the time chamber for a second time would help him. He thought just more raw work would get him to the level needed. But really, it was not going to help. Goku was smart and figured out the key to success was naturalizing Super Saiyan.

Vegeta's idea of training continues to be training under the more intense conditions and shredding his body.

Goku works with others. Roshi, Kami/Popo, King Kai, Piccolo before the android saga, Gohan, Grand Kai(?), and eventually (Uub).

Vegeta seems to train solo throughout the whole show until he trains with Whis.
Vegeta probably works the hardest. Goku works the smartest. Goku does obtain some amazing power when he trains during the Namek Saga, but that's it, really.

 

[LordOfChaos]

You know what's been nagging at me? At any point during Freizas conquest, if a few good hearted saiyans (say whatever you want about the race - there must have been six that could find each other?) got together and did some well wishing, they could have rofflestomped Freiza. Or our Z pals with any villain up to Bills.

And why is a cheat code built into the universe canonically, anyways?

I know I probably shouldn't think about this.

Anyways, I'm a bit surprised everyone was impressed with the animation? The space parts were cool, the rest...When Bills kept doing the palm on back thing, that segment kind of said "inexpensive" to me.

Anyways. Everyone telling Bulma what to do and then her saying "I know" was kind of funny, especially the last one with Piccolo.

I still also like Bills and Gokus battle bonding. And when Bills was saying "Sleepy! Sleepy!" was the one moment where I was like "Damn Bills, you scary". I hope they run away with that and make that into the reason he's so carelessly cruel, him being bored and therefore sleepy turning into torture over so long unless he finds worthy adversaries.

 

[Pankratous]

You know what's been nagging at me? At any point during Freizas conquest, if a few good hearted saiyans (say whatever you want about the race - there must have been six that could find each other?) got together and did some well wishing, they could have rofflestomped Freiza. Our our Z pals with any villain up to Bills.

And why is a cheat code built into the universe canonically, anyways?

I know I probably shouldn't think about this.

Anyways, I'm a bit surprised everyone was impressed with the animation? The space parts were cool, the rest...When Bills kept doing the palm on back thing, that segment kind of said "inexpensive" to me.

Anyways. Everyone telling Bulma what to do and then her saying "I know" was kind of funny, especially the last one with Piccolo.

I still also like Bills and Gokus battle bonding. And when Bills was saying "Sleepy! Sleepy!" was the one moment where I was like "Damn Bills, you scary". I hope they run away with that and make that into the reason he's so carelessly cruel, him being bored and therefore sleepy turning into torture over so long unless he finds worthy adversaries.

Even though I don't think it's proven I like to think that SSG requires all the Saiyans (or at least the God to be) to be Super Saiyans. Otherwise it'd be silly having such a cheat code. Just my way of rationalising it.

 

[NeonZ]

You know what's been nagging at me? At any point during Freizas conquest, if a few good hearted saiyans (say whatever you want about the race - there must have been six that could find each other?) got together and did some well wishing, they could have rofflestomped Freiza.

I guess the problem is that the legend is completely forgotten by the Saiyans themselves and usually giving all that power to a single person wouldn't be very useful. So, it's unlikely that they'd discover it accidentally.

Or our Z pals with any villain up to Bills.

They wouldn't have enough Saiyans at any point previously though.

And why is a cheat code built into the universe canonically, anyways?

You could make the same question about the SSJ forms in general. They've never bothered giving a reason for the Saiyan race having these hidden transformations that vastly increase their power. Before Battle of Gods introduced Beerus and Whis, the SSJ2 transformation by itself placed the Saiyans higher than even the highest known gods. They were a race that loved to battle, and had their powers vastly increased after recovering from near death, and yet apparently they weren't used to Saiyans quickly powering up and had fairly rigid classes. The setting was never really that consistent.

 

[kinggroin]

The beerus fight murdered the one in the movie

 

[Raging Spaniard]

thats interesting ive never heard that, where was it said, or what did they say. and in fact who said it?

Goku does, before the Cell fight they get reminded that him and Gohan can spend one more day in the chamber but Goku refuses saying that its better to spend the remaining time resting. To his point, Trunks and Vegeta do the exra time and dont improve nearly as much before the Cell games.

Did another drawing, this time its just Krillin chillin'

 

[Tacitus_]

I think they touched upon this during the Cell Saga when Goku and Gohan were chilling out between training sessions. They essentially talk about the importance of letting their muscles heal to grow stronger.

Vegeta, by training harder, is essentially making himself weaker since he's not giving himself a chance to heal.

It's a throwaway line in the Cell arc. Goku just says offhand that just punishing your body isn't training (and rubs in how he's a lot stronger than Vegeta).
The main reason was given in the Buu saga. Vegeta has his eureka moment when he admits that Goku is #1 and says how he always fought to be able to do as he willed, to kill his enemies and for his pride - while Goku fought not to win, but to better himself.

Spoiler

or because he's the main character in shonen, lol

 

[angelic]

It makes sense. Goku has always had many teachers despite having all of this natural ability. Vegeta flies solo. Even in the hyperbolic time chamber, it seems that Vegeta didn't actively work with Trunks in the same way Goku and Gohan trained. And it's why Vegeta thought going back into the time chamber for a second time would help him. He thought just more raw work would get him to the level needed. But really, it was not going to help. Goku was smart and figured out the key to success was naturalizing Super Saiyan.

Vegeta's idea of training continues to be training under the more intense conditions and shredding his body.

Goku works with others. Roshi, Kami/Popo, King Kai, Piccolo before the android saga, Gohan, Grand Kai(?), and eventually (Uub).

Vegeta seems to train solo throughout the whole show until he trains with Whis.
Vegeta probably works the hardest. Goku works the smartest. Goku does obtain some amazing power when he trains during the Namek Saga, but that's it, really.

and even in super now, goku trained at 10x gravity with north kai while vegeta trained 150x gravity at capsule corps

 

[shadowsdarknes]

So how far exactly is the manga? I'd prefer to keep this thread at pace with the show for the most part.

 

[Heroman]

Havent wacth Super in a while, have they move pass battle gods yet?

 

[NeonZ]

So how far exactly is the manga? I'd prefer to keep this thread at pace with the show for the most part.

Battle of Gods part already ended and it had some new scenes setting up Revival F. Usually, the manga is ahead in the beginning of each month, then the anime catches up and goes ahead for one or two episodes before the manga's new monthly chapter comes up and places it ahead again.

Havent wacth Super in a while, have they move pass battle gods yet?

The Battle of Gods story arc should be finishing next week or the week after it.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Bring back android 16

 

[Icyflamez96]

Yep, it's great how Goku grows bonds through combat. I'm super excited to see what new main cast members we will get in Universe 6, Toriyama said he's designing lots of completely new characters and they said Goku's going to have "new rivals" in Universe 6.

I'm so hyped for post RoF DBS

 

[Daingurse]

Bring back android 16

I feel that would cheapen his death, as it stands his death is one of the few that actually meant something.

 

[SalvaPot]

I just bought Dragon Ball Volume 3 (They are re-releasing them in Spanish) and enjoyed so much the humor and lightheartedness of it, and that is something I enjoy a lot of the first two episodes of Dragon Ball Super, the fights are also there but there used to be a balance between both, I enjoy how DBS is trying to find that balance again with scenes like Goku giving Beerus his poke back.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

The beerus fight murdered the one in the movie

The movie did what they could with the amount of time they had. Now super has the chance to do it better and they're pulling it off.

 

[Nightbird]

I just bought Dragon Ball Volume 3 (They are re-releasing them in Spanish) and enjoyed so much the humor and lightheartedness of it, and that is something I enjoy a lot of the first two episodes of Dragon Ball Super, the fights are also there but there used to be a balance between both, I enjoy how DBS is trying to find that balance again with scenes like Goku giving Beerus his poke back.

This is why early Dragonball is the best Dragonball

 

[Syntsui]

The way they handled the fight on the mangá was SOOOOOOOOOO much better than the movie it's not even funny. Interesting fact, Champa was not looking for Namek's DBs, but actually for others even bigger =O

 

[Lord Virgin]

The way they handled the fight on the mangá was SOOOOOOOOOO much better than the movie it's not even funny. Interesting fact, Champa was not looking for Namek's DBs, but actually for others even bigger =O

Bigger than the Namekian ones? Soon we'll have Dragonballs the size of King Kai's planet, won't we?

 

[Syntsui]

Bigger than the Namekian ones? Soon we'll have Dragonballs the size of King Kai's planet, won't we?

It's even more interesting because it's seems he didn't even go to another dimension (can't say for sure without hard evidence). Frieza's minion saying ''we need to go to a planet that has DBs'' implies there are several on this dimension alone.

 

[Hidden One]

DB Super post RoF is gonna be some amazing stuff.

 

[BakedTanooki]

I am still happy Dragon Ball is back, and some Episodes / Scenes were pretty cool so far.
But i am still missing something, and i hope they will bring it back in the later new episodes.
I am talking about body damage from the fights. Characters only get red and black scratches after taking hits in the fights.
Back then in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Characters were bleeding, they had to vomit after taking a crazy hard punch in the stomach. Broken bones, spitting around while screaming, broken necks or even missing limbs.
You could tell they had a hell of a fight.
But now it looks always so "clean"
I dont know. Maybe i am just way to stoned right now.

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

It's even more interesting because it's seems he didn't even go to another dimension (can't say for sure without hard evidence). Frieza's minion saying ''we need to go to a planet that has DBs'' implies there are several on this dimension alone.

I took it as Frieza's army not knowing what the hell they were and assuming they were just the larger Namekian Dragon Balls.

 

[Anth0ny]

I am still happy Dragon Ball is back, and some Episodes / Scenes were pretty cool so far.
But i am still missing something, and i hope they will bring it back in the later new episodes.
I am talking about body damage from the fights. Characters only get red and black scratches after taking hits in the fights.
Back then in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Characters were bleeding, they had to vomit after taking a crazy hard punch in the stomach. Broken bones, spitting around while screaming, broken necks or even missing limbs.
You could tell they had a hell of a fight.
But now it looks always so "clean"
I dont know. Maybe i am just way to stoned right now.

nah I think they censor shit now

look at this comparison between Z and Kai:

I guess they realized their primary audience is like 5 year olds and they should probably chill with the gore

it kinda sucks because that was one of the things that drew me to the show as a kid but it is what it is

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Dragonball and Z was vicious back in the day. Lots of manga even now don't match the raw visceral nature of a bone being broken in DB.

 

[Varna]

Bigger than the Namekian ones? Soon we'll have Dragonballs the size of King Kai's planet, won't we?

And only Gods will be able to find them just to make everyone even more worthless then they already are.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

This is why early Dragonball is the best Dragonball

Early Dragonball is shit.

Most "humor" is very juvenile, and it's very misogynistic. Almost every punchline puts a girl at the end of it.

Bulma having to show her panties (ends up showing her pussy). Lunch, etc. Nosebleeds because of showing off bulmas breasts.

Bleh. The humor in super is much more subdued and better.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Humor in early dragon ball was juvenile because of the target demographic....but at the same time, akira was able to show bulma's tits and get away with it.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Dragonball and Z was vicious back in the day. Lots of manga even now don't match the raw visceral nature of a bone being broken in DB.

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But yeah about what people have said. The fight was great, but some more damage/impact would be cool. Maybe it'll happen later in the show.

Not sure why this is the first thing that came to mind but:

 

[NeonZ]

I guess they realized their primary audience is like 5 year olds and they should probably chill with the gore

it kinda sucks because that was one of the things that drew me to the show as a kid but it is what it is

Kai didn't really censor things much outside of that one battle though. Still, censorship for daytime anime in general got tighter in Japan in the early 00s. Even the original Z anime ended up censoring the Cell Jr.'s deaths with those clouds of smoke though.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Toriyama also knew how to draw characters so that their entire body sold how strong the blow was

 

[Russ T]

One thing I like about SSG is that Goku doesn't look like super fuckin' body-builder buff. He looks like a fighter again. Someone with a lean, but strong body. Like he has muscles, but the right kind of muscles.

God I hope they don't start giving him tree trunk arms again. EDIT: Looking at pictures, I guess it was the neck, not the arms, that really bothered me. I still think he looks a lot thinner overall, but holy hell that SSJ3 neck is atrocious.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Kai didn't really censor things much outside of that one battle though. Still, censorship for daytime anime in general got tighter in Japan in the early 00s. Even the original Z anime ended up censoring the Cell Jr.'s deaths with those clouds of smoke though.

heh, this completely animated...

 

[flintstryker]

Early Dragonball is shit.

Most "humor" is very juvenile, and it's very misogynistic. Almost every punchline puts a girl at the end of it.

Bulma having to show her panties (ends up showing her pussy). Lunch, etc. Nosebleeds because of showing off bulmas breasts.

Bleh. The humor in super is much more subdued and better.

what a shit opinion, though I agree with you on super

 

[N.Domixis]

Frieza should turn into a good guy, then we have five people who can help fight and get godly strong so its not always just goku and vegeta.

Imagine Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Frieza and maybe throw in a god form for piccolo fighting on the same team.

 

[zeioIIDX]

Dragonball and Z was vicious back in the day. Lots of manga even now don't match the raw visceral nature of a bone being broken in DB.

Android 18 breaking Vegeta's arm, seeing it fall limply to his side as Vegeta slowly stumbled forward in shock before dropping to his knees and yelling out in pain....yikes.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Frieza should turn into a good guy, then we have five people who can help fight and get godly strong so its not always just goku and vegeta.

Imagine Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Frieza and maybe throw in a god form for piccolo fighting on the same team.

Eh, Frieza? I don't see any way really that he'd be a good guy. Well unless it was just a common enemy type thing. Who would revive him again?

I do want to see a god level Piccolo though... I'm hoping Gohan realizes that he should be training after the stuff that happens in RoF. Maybe he can get somewhere.

 

[VariantX]

heh, this completely animated...

Only thing I can think of thats even close to those panels is kid goku kicking drum so hard that his eye flew out of his head.

 

[Drilbit777]

Frieza should turn into a good guy, then we have five people who can help fight and get godly strong so its not always just goku and vegeta.

Imagine Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Frieza and maybe throw in a god form for piccolo fighting on the same team.

Frieda is too egotistical and obsessed with being the ruler of the universe so that would never happen.

 

[Lord Virgin]

Frieza should turn into a good guy, then we have five people who can help fight and get godly strong so its not always just goku and vegeta.

Imagine Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Frieza and maybe throw in a god form for piccolo fighting on the same team.

Meeh, eventually they'll face someone who is even stronger than all 5 of them combined (because Dragonball) and Goku will end up destroying the fucker while the rest of the them are being useless (because Dragonball).

 

[Russ T]

Early Dragonball is shit.

Most "humor" is very juvenile, and it's very misogynistic. Almost every punchline puts a girl at the end of it.

Bulma having to show her panties (ends up showing her pussy). Lunch, etc. Nosebleeds because of showing off bulmas breasts.

Bleh. The humor in super is much more subdued and better.

Actually MOST humor in early Dragon Ball is slapstick, people getting hurt doing silly things and making silly expressions. It's also where the "Goku eats enough for a hundred people" jokes started. It's also where the "Krillin is bald by choice, Roshi because he's old" joke started.

Like the jokes you don't like (and I don't like them either, to be honest) exist, but they're actually the minority.

Also, most of the jokes involving Lunch aren't even about her being a girl, they're about her sneezing at the wrong time and then shooting Roshi in the face with an SMG or something equally absurd.

You're remembering things very, very lopsidedly.

EDIT: I agree that Super's humor is better overall, though, I think. Only thing is I still prefer the sense of adventure from early DB, which Super doesn't have (so far...? hopefully after RoF!!! PLEASE!!!).

 

[Host Samurai]

I still want Vegeta to get his revenge on #18 for breaking his arm and Fat Buu.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Frieza should turn into a good guy, then we have five people who can help fight and get godly strong so its not always just goku and vegeta.

Imagine Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Frieza and maybe throw in a god form for piccolo fighting on the same team.

That's a really good idea. Frieza's villain shtick is getting old; by now he should know he's definitely weaker than Goku and now Vegeta. We barely know anything about his species or their history, or Frieza's history either.

It would add a nice layer of complexity to the overall DBZ story to see this diabolical tyrannt try to become good, even if he were forced to (which could be played up for comical effect).