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Dreamcast is dead and buried
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Ignatz Mouse
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elostyle said:As a PSP fan, you should be able to gather some empathy at the very least.
Well, the PSP is currently underperfoming my expectations of it, so not really. But even so, the PSP library has been better. Thsi is obviously IMHO, but there have been more satisfying titles for PSP by far.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Despite really liking Rez, SC, Chu Chu Rocket and enjoying other games, no game on DC has been as satisfying as Wipeout Pure, Field Commander, or Lumines. GTA:LCS and a couple of classics compilations round thing out nicely as well.
If these opinions don't match yours.... well, that's why they're called opinions.
If these opinions don't match yours.... well, that's why they're called opinions.
I gave my Dreamcast and it's games to my brother (he loved the DC).
Great console but I always thought the Saturn was better and had more esoteric appeal.
Space Channel 5 is one of my favorite games ever but it's also available (along with it's sequel) on the PS2 so I have no particular attachment to the Dreamcast version. If all the post-DC death Sega games (and I guess Capcom to some extent) had been on Dreamcast and most of it's library wasn't ported to other consoles maybe it would have been the best console ever.
Great console but I always thought the Saturn was better and had more esoteric appeal.
Space Channel 5 is one of my favorite games ever but it's also available (along with it's sequel) on the PS2 so I have no particular attachment to the Dreamcast version. If all the post-DC death Sega games (and I guess Capcom to some extent) had been on Dreamcast and most of it's library wasn't ported to other consoles maybe it would have been the best console ever.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
"bishoptl is a straight-up busta."
there was no better console. find me one game that runs under 60fps on that machine (especially considering it had anti aliasing built into the hardware).
i have 3 of them. 1 is no longer working, but at least that leaves me with 2, one to have at work and one to have at home.
i have 3 of them. 1 is no longer working, but at least that leaves me with 2, one to have at work and one to have at home.
stiltskin said:there was no better console. find me one game that runs under 60fps on that machine (especially considering it had anti aliasing built into the hardware).
i have 3 of them. 1 is no longer working, but at least that leaves me with 2, one to have at work and one to have at home.
I think this was the type Bish was complaining about.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
stiltskin said:
Sega Rally 2
Sonic Adventure 1
Sega GT
24 Hours Le Mans
Skies of Arcadia
Berserk: Gut's Rage
Time Stalkers
Shenmue 1 & 2
Phantasy Star Online
That's off the top of my head
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Almost all of the 60 FPS games were (surpise!) 2D/3D Fighters, 2D shooters, and most arcade games in general.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
You should all track down Under Defeat and play it at least once, TATE-mode, on VGA. You know how we all talk about how consoles never reach their potential? UD is that potential.
levious said:
The FIRST Crazy Taxi? You're insane....
...and that wasn't good asking for DC games that didn't run at 60 frames per second. There's ALOT of them. They might've run at a consistent 30 fps, but yeah, I can think of ten games that weren't listed that ran at 30 instead of 60, most of them either online titles, or multiplayer...
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Because, of course, framerate is the best indicator of a game's quality. That's why Slamscape was the first great game for PSOne.
Runningflame570
Banned
Dreamcast games are still being made..at least in Japan. The system isn't dead, just relegated to insignificance. Would play mine more if I could have bought it when it actually came out and the good games for it were still available.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I am honestly surprised at the reaction to my comment re: the PSP library. It's just me, I guess-- but the games I listed I enjoyed far more than those I play on DC.
I'm not a fighter fan, and that was a huge strength of the DC, so that's part of it. ANd as I said, I never meant that to be more than IMHO. I'm not arguing some sort of absolute truth.
I also like racers a lot, and DC had some really good racers-- but so does PSP, and has the trump of my favorite racing series, Wipeout.
Vigilante 8 was OK on dreamcast, but for me, Twisted Metal was better.
DC had some great shooters, but how many released in the US? I never imported.
PSP also has a lot of good ports, although I wasn't arguing those.
I'm really not sure what the controversey is. Is it the usual underrating of the PSP library, or the overinflating of the DC library?
I'm not a fighter fan, and that was a huge strength of the DC, so that's part of it. ANd as I said, I never meant that to be more than IMHO. I'm not arguing some sort of absolute truth.
I also like racers a lot, and DC had some really good racers-- but so does PSP, and has the trump of my favorite racing series, Wipeout.
Vigilante 8 was OK on dreamcast, but for me, Twisted Metal was better.
DC had some great shooters, but how many released in the US? I never imported.
PSP also has a lot of good ports, although I wasn't arguing those.
I'm really not sure what the controversey is. Is it the usual underrating of the PSP library, or the overinflating of the DC library?
TheJollyCorner
Member
bishoptl said:
nincompoop
Banned
Obviously the latter. The DC lineup was pretty pitiful if you aren't a fan of fighting games or shmups. The lineup of PS1/2 ports on PSP alone is enough to top the DC, but when you factor in the PSP's exclusive games like UGG and MMPU it really isn't even close.Ignatz Mouse said:
Ignatz Mouse said:
Point taken. I was a big fan of 4p/party games, so to me the DC library was excellent (Virtua Tennis, ChuChu, the Power Stones, Rush 2049; and of course the non-4p games that were great to play in groups like Rez, Samba, Crazy Taxi). I wasn't so much expressing surprise at your judgment, certainly to each his own and the PSP library has its strengths, but at why you'd even bother to compare the two.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
The comparsion was brought up by somebody else, I was just running with it.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
DeathCabCute said:
It's funny because the Dreamcast was a great system but it never really got any recognition until close before it was discontinued. I owned mine since the Japanese launch and as much as everybody enjoyed the system the grass always seemed greener on the other side, until the PS2 disappointed everyone(in the beginning) most people didn't really look at the DC as such a great system.
The sentiment was that Sega should go third party, which they eventually did but it was a bit strange to see that bias in the gaming community, even though the DC was good most people wanted it to fail.
First, I put GBA Chu Chu over the DC version. Second, why on earth wouldn't PC ports be valid?
The Dreamcast had pretty much the best run of games ever during its lifespan, but I'm glad I didn't need to bring it to school thanks to all the ports/emulated-elsewhere titles. I still could go for Border Down and Under Defeat, and VOOT, JGR, Shenmue, Soul Calibur, Bangaioh, and VF3tb are all pretty cool, but I'm not losing sleep over it.
Dreamcast was awesome because it was the first entry into next generation. Not only that but a very very noticable gap in graphics, you had third party games made by companies excited about the new piece of hardware, and you had the Sega titles that were made before Sega turned into a embarrassing parody of itself.
It had a short but good run, although I do think it's early death gave it some sort of rockstar status now.
It had a short but good run, although I do think it's early death gave it some sort of rockstar status now.
I think the "hold and hit the dpad" method worked pretty well, but I don't think that was the default. Loved that it was practically an archive of every custom puzzle ever, and that you could make multiplayer levels for once.
Needing a link cable and having no taunts definitely knocks it down a peg, but I played a ton of both.
don't forget the whole arcade ports thing.
Shogmaster
Member
AstroLad said:
HOLY SHIT! Typing of the Dead begat Dead Rising!!! :lol (OK, baby boy is a stretch since the dead baby that girl in the Fresca Plaza was looking for was a girl I think)
Yeah, Dreamcast was nice BACK THEN. Now, just about all of the good games have been ported or improved for other platforms, so there's really not much of a reason to go back to it IMO. Especially not with that clunky, uncomfortable controller and the VMU BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPing every god damn time you boot the console up. :/
jarrod said:
That would be effing brilliant. Choose a space with the stylus and a direction with the face buttons. It's almost tailor-made for the DS. The only thing that ever bothered me about ChuChu controls on the DC was having to move space by space, but obviously without a touch screen there's really no other way. Problem solved.
Just a handful of very enjoyable Dreamcast games you cannot get anywhere else.
Border Down
Jet Set Radio
Blue Stinger
Elemental Gimmick Gear
Typing of The Dead
Virtual On Oratorio Tangram
Zero Gunner 2
Red Dog
Tech Romancer
Zombie Revenge
Under Defeat
Soul Calibur
Sonic Adventure
Now can we please put the "It's all been ported" argument to rest? It's simply not the case. People saying it must not have had a Dreamcast.
Border Down
Jet Set Radio
Blue Stinger
Elemental Gimmick Gear
Typing of The Dead
Virtual On Oratorio Tangram
Zero Gunner 2
Red Dog
Tech Romancer
Zombie Revenge
Under Defeat
Soul Calibur
Sonic Adventure
Now can we please put the "It's all been ported" argument to rest? It's simply not the case. People saying it must not have had a Dreamcast.
There's also an argument to be had that while many of the Dreamcast's notable games were ported, they were ported at a later date, and having them all available earlier and on the same system (before anyone knew they would be ported) meant the Dreamcast's library was, at that time, much stronger. It's definitely a quality line up, and I think the fact so many titles were eventually ported and enjoyed on other systems says a lot.callous said:
For better or worse, most of the good games and franchises lived on in some form, and I'd rather that than see titles like Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio and Shenmue trapped in the coffin of some dead system.
BuddyC makes a good point about later ports (and even more obviously arcade ports, I might add) being largely irrelevant to any discussion of the DC as a system, and in fact being something that reflects positively upon the system. Unless you're one for hitting up MobyGames to support specious arguments.
blahness said:
More suitable because everyone already owns a keyboard for their PC. Didn't know co-op was so popular in TOTD (only played it in single player myself), can't recall if there was a network mode or similar in the PC version.
Oh, and there was a remake of the game released for PS2 as well.