beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
dreamcast great.
gone but not forgotten.
...he will be missed.
gone but not forgotten.
...he will be missed.
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Dreamcast is dead and buried
- Thread starter bishoptl
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I don't fault Dreamcast's fantastic arcade port lineup... I fault it's comparably lacking consumer focused lineup. Truely great platforms like NES, PC Engine, Sega Saturn or PlayStation 2 had a nice mix of both, Dreamcast didn't.
You'd basically be nearly as well suited just having a Naomi GD-ROM cab.
You'd basically be nearly as well suited just having a Naomi GD-ROM cab.
DC had a very poor library even at the time. Most of the titles coveted are B or C games glorified for the most pitiful reasons.
A solid system for shooters, but very unappealing for everything else. The most overrated library ever.
But for the system with the most vocal support, its hardly surprising that its never been honestly evaluated.
A solid system for shooters, but very unappealing for everything else. The most overrated library ever.
But for the system with the most vocal support, its hardly surprising that its never been honestly evaluated.
Striek said:
It was a nice library for the short time it was around. For about six months there, there seemed to be 3-5 great games coming out for the system every month. Now a few of those were later ported or became watered-down in later incarnations on other systems, but that doesn't change the fact that they were very fun and often great games at the time, which is all that really matters (though people always seem to lose sight of that, see: "ports" argument).
At the very least, as someone else said, it was a good "stop-gap" system that had a lot of quality titles, many of which went bargain bin fast (e.g., Virtua Tennis, JSR), and it had really astounding online implementation for the time (e.g., NFL 2K1, PSO).
For some reason people on both sides seem to get really passionate about the DC. Even those who say "oh it sucked who cares" tend to be just as hyperbolic as the oft-mocked superfans of the system in supporting their positions. It's kind of funny how rare it is to see a reasonable evaluation of the system even years later.
Ah, Astrolad, you may have misinterpreted my comments.
The games that came out on DC and are fondly remembers were universally decent-to-great games, but they amount to a fraction of what would be considered a good library on another console, none would constitute 'AAA', were severely lacking in most genres, and do not live up to the praise piled upon it.
There simply wasn't enough games, and there was an utter dearth of AAA games. I like the DC, it had promise. But it having a good library is as much in error as it having competitive graphics. Every games worthiness was simply magnified.
The games that came out on DC and are fondly remembers were universally decent-to-great games, but they amount to a fraction of what would be considered a good library on another console, none would constitute 'AAA', were severely lacking in most genres, and do not live up to the praise piled upon it.
There simply wasn't enough games, and there was an utter dearth of AAA games. I like the DC, it had promise. But it having a good library is as much in error as it having competitive graphics. Every games worthiness was simply magnified.
Rocked said:
That's the real shame. Other than their early Xbox games (Panzer, JSRF) Sega has been terrible post-Dreamcast. I was really looking forward to buying their stuff on other consoles, but somehow not having to focus time/resources on developing hardware has made Sega's games WORSE. I'll never understand it.
Red Blaster
Member
I just bought Tech Romancer for 20 bucks on ebay, that's good right?
StorablePrawn
Banned
racerx77 said:Suggestion.. Change the battery.
I'll note that I'm a huge Dreamcast supporter before saying this, but...
That's incredibly stupid advice, and you know it. CR2032 batteries, or whatever they were, ran out so quickly in a VMU that there was never any point in switching them unless you really wanted to mess around with a Chao. VMU was a cool idea, and I'll probably switch my batteries some day for old-times sake, but I'll be damned if it isn't a complete waste of money to do so.
lachesis
Member
Well, one thing to give them a credit is, DC really did pave the way to the next gen, and for short 2 years or so, it did the job quite well. Not too many AAA titles? I think if DC had more time to really open up its potential, the whole perception of DC's library = weak would have been changed. Good AAA titles, takes time to develop, and sadly, that's what DC didn't have in the end. Considering that, it's got plenty of good AAA titles. Skies of Arcadia, for example, and PSO. Sure, it was ported, but ports are always ports. One should always remember where it came from.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
D-X said:
It still loses, for me. As I said, PSP's library is better, IMHO, and that's only that old.
PS2 had a pretty good first couple of years, although the first 6 months were questionable.
PS1 had an amazing first 2 years.
I'm not that hot on it, but the SNES still had some standout software within two years.
In fact, I can't think of any cosole that had a lacklust first couple of years and then suddenly broke out, apart from the 2600 and maybe the Genesis.
Guy Legend
Member
bishoptl said:
f*ck you
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Tokyo Highway Challenge/Tokyo Xtreme Racer/Shutoku Battle has the best soundtrack in a game ever, though.
Go to that FF Shrine website with all the game soundtracks on, download, enjoy.
I've got it on CD in my car, too. It's (unsurprisingly) great driving music.
Go to that FF Shrine website with all the game soundtracks on, download, enjoy.
I've got it on CD in my car, too. It's (unsurprisingly) great driving music.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Guy Legend said:
that was smart
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I even went to the trouble to find you guys a link to the soundtrack.
Now download it and come back to share the appreciation.
Now download it and come back to share the appreciation.
Diablohead
Member
Dreamcast lives forever! I own two and f355 challenge in lan mode = win
gutter_trash
Banned
cheers to the console with the best launch and post launch line up ever.
Sonic Adventure + Soul Calibur at launch !!! = the best launch ever
talking about games that age well, Soul Calibur is a marvel through VGA.
2D fighting game fans who got Saturn adapters or who bought Arcade sticks know and love the DC for it's fighting game greatness
the DC outputted more Fighting Games then the PS2+Xbox+GC combined (well almost)
Sega was good back then, they delivered:
Crazy Taxi 1, Daytona USA 2001, Jet Grind Radio, Shenmue, Shenmue II (PAL), House Of The Dead II, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Chu Chu Rockets and more
Sonic Adventure + Soul Calibur at launch !!! = the best launch ever
talking about games that age well, Soul Calibur is a marvel through VGA.
2D fighting game fans who got Saturn adapters or who bought Arcade sticks know and love the DC for it's fighting game greatness
the DC outputted more Fighting Games then the PS2+Xbox+GC combined (well almost)
Sega was good back then, they delivered:
Crazy Taxi 1, Daytona USA 2001, Jet Grind Radio, Shenmue, Shenmue II (PAL), House Of The Dead II, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Chu Chu Rockets and more
TheIkariWarrior
Member
Dreamcast will never die, someone will always be making news software for it, even if its just homebrew.
radios shipping overview
Member
I tried this with my Dell 2007WFP, actually. Didn't work.Core407 said:
Buy the Dell LCD monitor, rotate it 90s and have some fun.
Under Defeat's display rotation goes in a direction opposite to the Dell's rotation.
TheIkariWarrior
Member
this says it all right here
My friends and I used to cut class during school to play my DC, even if for only 10 minutes. I'll never forget the summer of 2000 where I was buying a AAA game every couple of weeks, culminating with Shenmue. For us Europeans, the DC was the first time we weren't ignored thanks to PAL-60 and VGA.
My friends loved:
- Chu Chu Rocket
- San Francisco Rush (Battle and Stunt modes)
- 4 Wheel Thunder (Bomb Tag)
- DOA 2
- Virtua Tennis
- MSR (Pursuit mode around small tracks)
Good times
My friends loved:
- Chu Chu Rocket
- San Francisco Rush (Battle and Stunt modes)
- 4 Wheel Thunder (Bomb Tag)
- DOA 2
- Virtua Tennis
- MSR (Pursuit mode around small tracks)
Good times
lordfroakie
Member
The Dreamcast is not dead. Sega is still making video games for it.
Diablohead
Member
I still play 3 of those, would be more but I got to buy them again... had a great 4 player with SFR only last christmas I believe. If you want miracles me and my mates still stick sonic shuffle on sometimes after a night out.Raxel said:My friends and I used to cut class during school to play my DC, even if for only 10 minutes. I'll never forget the summer of 2000 where I was buying a AAA game every couple of weeks, culminating with Shenmue. For us Europeans, the DC was the first time we weren't ignored thanks to PAL-60 and VGA.
My friends loved:
- Chu Chu Rocket
- San Francisco Rush (Battle and Stunt modes)
- 4 Wheel Thunder (Bomb Tag)
- DOA 2
- Virtua Tennis
- MSR (Pursuit mode around small tracks)
Good times
The Dreamcast was the first console for me that really bought the arcade home. Having a perfect version of Crazy Taxi at home was outstanding. Again US gamers won't realise it but having PAL games that ran at 60hz had never been done before DC. Also it was the first console to have clean, sharp graphics even though when a game looks poor today the sloppy insult about it is that it looks like a Dreamcast game.
These seems like a good thread for these pics....
I took these photos at CES.... Qualcomm had this HUGE display that was set up to look like an archaeological dig site, except they where digging up old technology.
Ok so here you have the scientists uncovering all this old technology:
You can see an old cell phone there.. various old PC's in the background...
Look at some of the other items uncovered at this dig site:
There's a commodore 64, complete with disk drive!
My gosh here's some 8 track tapes! Wow this is old technology!
I wonder what other old items they've found here?
WHOA look at this find!
I took these photos at CES.... Qualcomm had this HUGE display that was set up to look like an archaeological dig site, except they where digging up old technology.
Ok so here you have the scientists uncovering all this old technology:
You can see an old cell phone there.. various old PC's in the background...
Look at some of the other items uncovered at this dig site:
There's a commodore 64, complete with disk drive!
My gosh here's some 8 track tapes! Wow this is old technology!
I wonder what other old items they've found here?
WHOA look at this find!
Night_Trekker
Member
shinokou said:
I never understood that. Didn't the batteries drain while you had the VMU in the controller? I like the idea of the VMU but it was so poorly implemented.
I saw a mod once on some website where a guy had rigged a VMU to run off a 9-volt battery. Not really practical but it almost never ran out of juice, he said.
oldschoolpinball
Member
dreamcast still lives on...in my heart