Do you have vsync enabled? If you do, disable it, and see what you're getting then.
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Dying Light PC Performance Thread
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Do you have vsync enabled? If you do, disable it, and see what you're getting then.
No I always play without Vsync.
Snoogans2you
Neo Member
Doesn't the screen tearing drive you crazy?
Well then you're definitely not experiencing a double-buffer vsync issue.
The game is known to be CPU limited/dependent. I'd say overclock your CPU, which can help immensely with performance in this specific game, but as far as I know, yours can't be.
The draw distance setting effects CPU usage most, so I'd bring that down a few notches and see if you get less drops. The "Very High" Shadow setting is also demanding, so if you don't already have it set to "High," I'd do that too.
Good luck
Mad Season
Banned
Actually most state to set shadow to medium even on high rigsWell then you're definitely not experiencing a double-buffer vsync issue.
The game is known to be CPU limited/dependent. I'd say overclock your CPU, which can help immensely with performance in this specific game, but as far as I know, yours can't be.
The draw distance setting effects CPU usage most, so I'd bring that down a few notches and see if you get less drops. The "Very High" Shadow setting is also demanding, so if you don't already have it set to "High," I'd do that too.
Good luck
Decided to get this today on PC. My rig is old by today's standards, but it still manages to slightly edge out the current consoles.
Radeon Saphire AMD 7850 OC
Intel i2500k
8GB DDR3 ram
I'm using Radeon Pro to force 30FPS, otherwise it fluctuates all over the place (between 30 and 60).
Resolution 1920x1080
Textures: Medium
Shadow Maps: High
Foiliage: Medium
View Distance: just a bit lower than 50%
Ambient Occlusion: Off
V-sync: On
Motion Blur: On
Anti-aliasing: Off
NVIDIA HBAO+: Off
NVIDIA Depth of Field: Off
Didn't think my rig would be up for the task, but ultimately I'm glad that I didn't go for the PS4 version.
Radeon Saphire AMD 7850 OC
Intel i2500k
8GB DDR3 ram
I'm using Radeon Pro to force 30FPS, otherwise it fluctuates all over the place (between 30 and 60).
Resolution 1920x1080
Textures: Medium
Shadow Maps: High
Foiliage: Medium
View Distance: just a bit lower than 50%
Ambient Occlusion: Off
V-sync: On
Motion Blur: On
Anti-aliasing: Off
NVIDIA HBAO+: Off
NVIDIA Depth of Field: Off
Didn't think my rig would be up for the task, but ultimately I'm glad that I didn't go for the PS4 version.
This was pre-patch advice. They've changed the settings so now High = the old medium.
Yeah I think that's why you're getting these stutters.
I don't think there is much difference between medium and high, I heard it just helps lessen the pop-ins even though I haven't noticed any even on medium.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Good post. If I may ask, having switched semi-recently, what settings would you say the PS4/Xbone are comparable to? I assume that as time goes on, they'll fall closer to the low settings with each new release.
No that's probably CPU related. I had this issue before. Opened up the task manager and set processor priority to high and it was gone. That was before the patch and when I had 8GB RAM. With the patch and now 16GB RAM it never stutters. Worth noting is that before the patch I played with 50% draw distance which is now max. Also. I just found out that the 347.25 drivers are weird. From nowhere my game started to tear like hell. With V-sync enabled. In the drivers or in the game. Couldn't iron it out. Rolled back to 347.09 and not only doesn't it tear anymore. It also runs with ~5fps higher framerate.
Lockjaw333
Member
Just from recently released games, it looks like the PS4 versions are falling somewhere around medium to high in comparison to PC settings.
I believe Dragon Age Inquisition was mostly equivalent to the Medium preset on PC.
Far Cry 4 is basically identical to the High preset on PC (there is Very High and Ultra above that)
Mordor I believe is equivalent to High on PC
Also keep in mind they are both locked to 30fps on consoles at1080p. I get a good amount better performance on my GTX 670 which released in 2012.
One thing the consoles have consistently been doing is having very high or ultra textures, mainly because of he large unified pools of RAM. My 2GB 670 struggles to do the same just because of vram limitations.
I have a 970 and I don't get the stutters. Actually the only real problem I have with the game now is random crashes during multiplayer. The patch seems to have helped out a lot with them but I still get them from time to time. Perfectly fine in single player though.
To add to what Lockjaw333 already stated, according to Digital Foundry's recent Dying Light face-off, the PS4/Xbox One draw-distance is slightly lower than the PC's lowest draw-distance setting. The consoles' shadow map resolution appears to be equivalent to the PC's (I believe 2046 x 2046 resolution) "Medium" (now "High" post patch) setting, and both the Foliage and Texture settings on consoles match the "High" PC settings.
Lastly, at nighttime, the console versions lack the PC's dynamic light sources, instead opting for a post-process bloom to simulate the effect, Xbox One suffers from screen-tearing and a sub-1080p resolution, and both console versions run at 30 fps. Oh, and if you have an Nvidia GPU you have access to HBAO+ (superior to the game's default SSAO) and enhanced DoF (granted, it is arguably "stronger," not "better" than the game's default DoF effect).
The original article is here with all the details: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-dying-light-face-off
Mohonky
Member
Bought game today, getting weird stutter.
Windows 8.1
I7 4770k stock
GTX670 2gb
16gb ram
Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Medium Settings
Vsync off in game, forced via nvidia display options.
Game will run at near 60fps but I get weird drops / stutter of about 20fps at seemingly random times. Happened both indoor and when I first got outside. Common / known issue?
Windows 8.1
I7 4770k stock
GTX670 2gb
16gb ram
Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Medium Settings
Vsync off in game, forced via nvidia display options.
Game will run at near 60fps but I get weird drops / stutter of about 20fps at seemingly random times. Happened both indoor and when I first got outside. Common / known issue?
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Does the game tank to like 1fps for a couple of seconds when zombies lunge and grab you for anyone else?
Doesn't happen 100% of the time for me but enough that it's annoying since the game becomes unplayable whilst zombies are on top of you.
I'm playing on 2 x GTX 780s.
Doesn't happen 100% of the time for me but enough that it's annoying since the game becomes unplayable whilst zombies are on top of you.
I'm playing on 2 x GTX 780s.
I don't agree at all with the way you presented this. IQ never was and never will be a "just". It's one of the most important things to cater for, especially if you have a high end rig built.."just"..for that. Better "shadow, draw-distance, AA, or AO" (and all the other things that that you can tweak to your liking in PC games, like f.ex. resolution.....) are some of the basic reasons why we buy a PC instead of a console in the first place (I can't stomach the generally poor AF in PS4 games f.ex.).
Good artstyle and very good image quality make every good looking game to an amazing looking one.
I did some testing over the weekend and discovered the exact changes to View Distance. Also found improved performance in Patch 1.2.1: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/gu...formance-guide#dying-light-patch-1-2-1-update
Sure: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885444
Basically, PC gamers these days are dumb and think that something is wrong with a game if they can't play it at "max settings". When conversely, something is wrong with a game if they can play it at "max settings".
R9 290 Directcu ii
16GB ddr3
i7 2600k @ 4.5
Get an average of 45 fps in the more "crowded" areas.
Rather off topic but i notice this game (along with others) tend to be choppier than a 30fps game on a console. Would me switching from 60hz to 144hz make PC gaming at 30-60fps smoother
16GB ddr3
i7 2600k @ 4.5
Get an average of 45 fps in the more "crowded" areas.
Rather off topic but i notice this game (along with others) tend to be choppier than a 30fps game on a console. Would me switching from 60hz to 144hz make PC gaming at 30-60fps smoother
Yeah, even between maxed out graphics and medium to high settings isn't THAT much of a difference like some people make it seem.
I always start the game at the native Resolution and the at the lowest settings possbile. Then I try to improve the image quality to an acceptable level and then I play around with the rest of the settings to get the most out of the graphics and still keep it at 60fps with that image quality. Demanding perfect IQ/60fps and maxed out settings is unrealistic almost every time.
SnoutBaron
Neo Member
I saw a thread on Reddit a few days ago where the PS4 was compared to PC on minimum. The thread was about how the PC looked better.
ambar_hitman
Member
Why do all nvidia optimized games have performance issues? Unity, FC4, this game and the list goes on and on.
AMD games run fine on launch, like DA I or Alien.
AMD games run fine on launch, like DA I or Alien.
This happens to me (780 ti) would like to know if there is a fix for it, can be really frustrating as it makes the window to grapple damned near impossible to pull off.
Mohonky
Member
Okay fixed my stuttering issue I was having a few posts back.
Went into task manager and changed priority to Realtime. No more stutter.
I was even able to boost to high foilage and turn all the nvidia centric stuff on and I am definitely getting above a constant 30fps. I dont know exactly what its running but its definitely above 30fps consistently, maybe 40-45fps.
Shadow maps Medium
Foilage High
40% view
Everything On
AA
V-sync
Only issue left is when I am grabbed by a zombie like another poster pointed out where his tanks, mine does too. When a zombie grabs you it just goes to a brief slideshow until the QTE. Considering everything else is now running really smoothly for me I am happy with that.
Went into task manager and changed priority to Realtime. No more stutter.
I was even able to boost to high foilage and turn all the nvidia centric stuff on and I am definitely getting above a constant 30fps. I dont know exactly what its running but its definitely above 30fps consistently, maybe 40-45fps.
Shadow maps Medium
Foilage High
40% view
Everything On
AA
V-sync
Only issue left is when I am grabbed by a zombie like another poster pointed out where his tanks, mine does too. When a zombie grabs you it just goes to a brief slideshow until the QTE. Considering everything else is now running really smoothly for me I am happy with that.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I get the feeling that those people don't want to mess with settings at all and they've been able to get away with maxing and forgetting for awhile now. If that's not feasible with good performance then the onus for adjusting the settings falls back on them.
Dragon Age was worse than Dying Light for me thanks to that framerate stuttering issue that some of us had, but fixable when the right commandline arguments had been found. I've not played it in a while so it might have been patched in the meantime.
If they don't want to bother with settings, they could just leave them at default (or let something like Geforce Experience set them up, it's made for people like that).
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
I have a feeling it's maybe a VRAM related thing since this game can use up to 4GB which makes me think that the GTX 780's 3GB is causing the problem.
I'm going to try medium textures tonight.
I've been playing the game with the two settings over the past week. As I theorised previously, it's a texture cache setting. Medium goes up to 2GB, High will use all available over a session.
With High you're far less likely to see fade-in, and textures will almost always be max quality the instant you see them.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Yeah I thought as much having read your guide.
I'm just gunning for the most stable frame rate I can atm.
The way I see it is this is really not a pretty game no matter how you set it up so I just want to get decent performance if possible.
Love your breakdown of the performance changes between the two AND including the full VisRange settings in the comparison for people who want to restore them via ini edits! Great work as usual Andy!
Oh and this part is particularly heartbreaking for me to read....
I sure love me some PC gaming, but it's starting to be hard to find myself anything but pissed off at PC gamers more and more lately...
It definitely feels more responsive. I've capped Dying Light at 45fps which is the lowest value I get (Nvidia's 347.09 drivers gives me 5fps more than the 347.25. It also removed the screen tearing that appeared out of nowhere just yesterday and that was when I used V-Sync.)
On my VG248QE using 144Hz it feels noticeably more responsive than on my 60Hz HDTV. For 30-60fps gaming though I wouldn't bother getting a monitor like this. Around 60fps it is a difference worth considering compared to playing on a 60Hz screen. But I would only buy one if I could reach a target of at least 120fps in something you know you'll spend time with. If the source can match the refresh rate it's so much sharper while in motion. Especially while using strobe lighting.
The same (non-refresh) framerate will always feel smoother on higher refresh rates than lower ones.
With 60 Hz, a new frame is presented every 16.6 ms, so your maximum judder is also 16.6 ms. At 144 Hz, a new frame is presented every 6.9 ms, so the maximum judder is 6.9 ms. With something like a 250Hz+ display I think we wouldn't even need g-sync/adaptive sync anymore.
With 60 Hz, a new frame is presented every 16.6 ms, so your maximum judder is also 16.6 ms. At 144 Hz, a new frame is presented every 6.9 ms, so the maximum judder is 6.9 ms. With something like a 250Hz+ display I think we wouldn't even need g-sync/adaptive sync anymore.
If they don't want to bother with settings there are other platforms to play on.
I tried pretty much everything, but I can't get the old values to work in 1.2.1. If someone truly can, please provide the repro steps.
Yea, it's pretty depressing. But I totally understand developer reactions - if a big YouTuber posts a video slamming a game that'll be a game's reputation sunk. The YouTuber might post an annotation saying performance is fixed at a later date, or tweet something out, but the majority of the video's viewers will never see those updates. Furthermore, those popular videos with titles like "Dying Light Performance Sucks" will go straight to the top of the YouTube and Google search engines, further compounding the problem.
I think the many years of previous-gen cross-platform games that performed flawlessly on years-old PC hardware has skewed expectations of many. They want new, better, more graphically advanced games, but when they don't run at 60FPS with max settings they complain, so the devs scale back the graphics, and then they get complaints about downgrading.
Hard for them to win at the moment, so I honestly believe they should shove a load of advanced settings to a sub-menu, forcing you to manually enable them, or at worst put them in a config file and publicize their availability to enthusiasts.
The only value I've tested was the highest (prepatch 100%) and simply changed the VisRange values in Video.scr in the Dying Light folder in My Documents. My performance tanked in game a good amount, but went back to normal later when I reset the configuration via going back to the in game configuration screen and simply hitting "accept" (enter key) again. The change instantly resulted in a framerate boost (monitored via fraps), and my video.scr file went back to 2.60, 2.60. Whenever I tried to apply an arbitrary amount over 2.60, 2.60 I was met with a black screen when starting the game tho =\
Can post pics if needed!
Pubs/devs still get shit when hiding them in config files, though. Just look at Dead Rising 3, a game that when compared 1:1 vs specs on the 'Bone performed pretty much exactly the same, but people lost their minds when they couldn't run it maxed at 1080p (double the rendering res of the 'Bone version) and 60fps (close to 3x the avg FPS of the 'bone version), which could only be enabled to run at framerates that high in the first place with a autoexec file placed in the game's directory =\
I tried that, but it immediately reset itself to 2.60 the second the game was launched (have notepad++ open on a second monitor, and the 'file has changed. reload?' prompt would popup even before I hit the main menu).
Oh, also worth noting that I'm booting using the 3rd party tool Dying Light Manager and setting my video.scr file to read only.
And yeah, just tested it again and after alt tabbing out of the game and copy/pasting my video.scr file to desktop and checking the copied files contents, my setting is still at 8.26, 8.26.
I'll try with the notepad++ thing and report back just to be safe though!
Here's some pics that I took of post patch manual setting of 8.26, 8.26 vs the std post patch max of 2.60, 2.60:
As you can see, there's an obvious jump in LOD quality.
EDIT: accidentally DP'd while trying to edit... my bad x_o
Oh, also worth noting that I'm booting using the 3rd party tool Dying Light Manager and setting my video.scr file to read only.
And yeah, just tested it again and after alt tabbing out of the game and copy/pasting my video.scr file to desktop and checking the copied files contents, my setting is still at 8.26, 8.26.
I'll try with the notepad++ thing and report back just to be safe though!
Here's some pics that I took of post patch manual setting of 8.26, 8.26 vs the std post patch max of 2.60, 2.60:
As you can see, there's an obvious jump in LOD quality.
If I set my config file to Read Only, even when using DLM, the game reverts to default settings, which include default FOV. Don't know how it's working for you, but I tested on a friend's system via RDP, too, and it didn't work there either.
For my sanity, you're doing this?
- Open C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\DyingLight\out\settings\video.scr
- Edit VisRange to VisRange(8.26, 8.26)
- Save, set Read Only
- Launch game via DLM
Could not agree more with all you said and great work Andy as usual.
How weird! But yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Here's the exact look of my Video.scr file, changed to .txt and opened in notepad:
martino
Member
I experience this since the patch :'(
You get a locked 60fps with a single 680? Locked...60fps...single...680? Not attacking you personally or accusing you of lying, but I find that extremely hard to believe considering how many reports I've read from guys even with SLI 970's reporting drops. Not to mention actual benchmarks:
Even with the latest patch and everything on low I just can't see you holding 60fps for more than a few seconds unless a worker on the production line blessed your card with holy water when nobody was looking.
Two random examples from gaffers:
2GB GTX680 here, playing at a consistent 60+fps (not using vsync) at High Textures, Medium Shadows and Foliage, HBAO+ on, Nvidia DOF off, Motion Blur and AA on.
It's bad, but not worse than having input lag playing with a mouse. Not every game has it (I think?), but some are awful, especially Crysis. So when I'm playing on kb+m, I just disable vsync.
Did they really reduce the maximum graphics?
That is straight criminal.
You never reduce the graphics.